> Can't Recycle do the same thing as well? > [http://www.propellerheads.se]. Logic 5 also has the ability to work > with Recycle. Never used that feature yet so not too sure how well it > works, but maybe worth looking into? > > -Jamie Phatmatic essentially is Recycle as a VST plug-in. However, it can do so so so much more in some respects, less in others... Phatmatic allows you to load and "slice" any audio within seconds after loading the sample into the plug-in. Doing this in Recycle requires you to do all your slicing, save a recycle file, load an EXS24 and then import that in or load it on an audio track where you have even fewer options since the samples are placed on the track in a folder (no transposing of samples or filter manipulations etc.). There are 2 places where Recycle wins: 1) They are saved in a format you can load into different songs. Phatmatic will soon do this by saving "Phatfiles" where it's a .WAV file with extra info for PMP. 2) Recycle creates "tails" where one slice ends and the next slice begins. This is Phatmatic's biggest weakness and won't be fixed until a later update than the one Art is working on releasing in the near future. For the most part, this isn't missed, however if you take fast loops and slow them down, you have to use the Amp EG to "fake" a little bit of a fade to make it sound better - unless you like that gated chopped kind of a sound. I love Phatmatic since you can easily modify, mangle, turn on a loop, send to a different output even add distortion and DDL within Logic without needing to go to a different application to do all the work and then load it back in to Logic. Truly Revolutionary. -- John "Skippy" Lehmkuhl sound designer & groov-a-holik http://www.realkuhl.com Get my drum loop libraries: http://www.ilio.com --

John Lehmkuhl wrote: > 2) Recycle creates "tails" where one slice ends and the next slice begins. > This is Phatmatic's biggest weakness and won't be fixed until a later update > than the one Art is working on releasing in the near future. For the most > part, this isn't missed, however if you take fast loops and slow them down, > you have to use the Amp EG to "fake" a little bit of a fade to make it sound > better - unless you like that gated chopped kind of a sound. Along these lines here's a small tip: If you work with ReCycle and the EXS, I personally allways slow the loops down in ReCycle, usually almost as much as it makes sense. That way ReCycle will create the "tails" you mentioned and you can allready check if they make sense. Of course sometimes there's gonna be too much of a tail for the individual slices, especially in case you play the loop at a higher tempo, once it's loaded into the EXS. I do then just set the amp envelope like: A, S, R all the way down, then pull D all the way up and drag it down gradually. Also working great as some sort of "room/reverb remover". There's a third drawback for me in PPro: You can't cut loops. In ReCycle I can just load a complete track containing various files and then use the "crop" function to chop them out. This, along with the non-existing file management (a MUST for each app dealing with samples, should be adressed in the very first place) for me still is a reason to use the ReCycle/EXS combo pretty often. Sascha

It's not an option for you mac guys but I like fruity loops and zero-x beat slicer. There all integrated and you can run any slice through fruity's filters and arpeggiators and FX. It can all be automated, sent to different outputs and totally resequenced. All this runs inside of Logic as a VSTi. There is a little unsupported code tweaking in the fruity multi .dll file to get logic to see it as a multi, but It's really simple and I've had no troubles with it yet. Thanks, Bigg John FREE Loops @ www.looplibrary.com

>> Can't Recycle do the same thing as well? >> [http://www.propellerheads.se]. Logic 5 also has the ability to work >> with Recycle. Never used that feature yet so not too sure how well it >> works, but maybe worth looking into? >> >> -Jamie "John Lehmkuhl" <realkuhl@...> wrote: > Phatmatic essentially is Recycle as a VST plug-in. However, it can do so so > so much more in some respects, less in others... Hi All, I've been (lazily) following this thread but for the reason I THINK it first started - which I think was - What is the best set up for replacing real drums with samples? I know a producer from a world famous band (I'm not going to name drop) and he told me he uses something called "Sound Replacer" which is a TDM plug for ProTools, but as I don't have Pro Tools, I'm keen to find a effective way of doing it within Logic. At present I use the Audio to Score, then the transformer to get single note numbers, then load up an EXS 24 for each drum track. It works, but it seems inelegant. I don't need the slicing up/timestretching features that people have talked about with Recycle or PMP, but if they will allow me to send a single MIDI note number per track to an EXS24, or perhaps even load a sample into the plug themselves and trigger then I think they would be worth the cash just to speed up the process of getting from live drums to sampled drums. The point is that I don't always know for sure if I want to use the sampled version over the real ones, or maybe a blend of the two, but when it's fast, it's okay to experiment. Cheers to anyone who has these packages and knows if they will do the trick. Gareth