Hello, I just tried the infamous "multiple-outs between different applications" trick in Mac OS 10.2 and it works great. Through Core Audio, I ran Logic Audio through output 3 and 4 of my EMI 2|6, while running Live through the output 1 and 2 (I would have done it the other way around, but Live doesn't have a way of selecting different outputs). Try that with Mac AV or ASIO on Mac OS 9...is it even possible? I had to first choose the EMI 2|6 as the "Selected Audio Device" in the Audio MIDI Setup utility, then set the "Current Format" in the "Output Section" to 6 chan output. On to another topic...Audio Units. The concept is great I'll give them that, but what happens when DP OSX, Cubase OSX, and Pro Tools OSX decide not to support Audio Units and simply support carbonized VST? Is it just as easy to SUPPORT Audio Units in an application, as it is to make the VST plug-ins Audio Unit versions? I know FOR SURE Cubase won't want to support it, why should they? It would be like admitting your own technology is inferior (which it probably is). We could easily end up being the minority (Logic Audio), of a minority market (music apps), on a minority platform (OS X), running on a minority machine (Macs)....it's gonna be tough convincing plug-in developers I have a feeling. I also have a feeling that 2 hours to wrap the plug-ins as an Audio Unit is extremely optimistic. ***I wonder if the Emagic plugs (EXS-24, ES1, ES2, etc) are Audio Units, and where in the OS X system folder do the Audio Unit plugs go?*** Darren Burgos

Hi there, On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 03:36 PM, Darren Burgos wrote: > On to another topic...Audio Units. The concept is great I'll give them > that, > but what happens when DP OSX, Cubase OSX, and Pro Tools OSX decide not > to > support Audio Units and simply support carbonized VST? Is it just as > easy to > SUPPORT Audio Units in an application, as it is to make the VST plug-ins > Audio Unit versions? I know FOR SURE Cubase won't want to support it, > why > should they? It would be like admitting your own technology is inferior > (which it probably is). > <yada yada> Here's a thought for you to ponder: If this were manufacturers motivations, then why are they adopting CoreMIDI? Why doesn't MotU keep its proprietary MTS? Why didn't Emagic stick with AMT? etc etc Why support something that now gives everyone a level playing field? The situation is exactly the same with CoreAudio and Audio Units... > We could easily end up being the minority (Logic > Audio), of a minority market (music apps), on a minority platform (OS > X), > running on a minority machine (Macs)....it's gonna be tough convincing > plug-in developers I have a feeling. I also have a feeling that 2 hours > to > wrap the plug-ins as an Audio Unit is extremely optimistic. What gives you this impression? Does every advancement always come with doom and gloom prophecies? Emagic don't make these decisions to be left out in the cold. Please give them _some_ credit... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

> >On to another topic...Audio Units. The concept is great I'll give them that, >but what happens when DP OSX, Cubase OSX, and Pro Tools OSX decide not to >support Audio Units and simply support carbonized VST? Why wouldn't they support something that OS X has a native support for ? with better support (documenting) ? Also if the plug in makers will come up with AU plug ins it would be foolish not to support AU ? They would also be writing for a wider audience since any app that uses CoreAudio would have access to these plug ins, so instead of just Logic users maybe Final Cut Pro users too would be willing to buy some of these products. >Is it just as easy to >SUPPORT Audio Units in an application, as it is to make the VST plug-ins >Audio Unit versions? I know FOR SURE Cubase won't want to support it, why >should they? Well...beacause it's a standard ?? I think it's much too early now to speculate of this...let's look at this thing when Cubase and MOTU have their programs on OS X and plug ins start to appear on OS X. I think you make bold statement when you say that you are SURE that Cubase won't support AU. Also remember that Emagic says they have talked with plug in manufacturers about this thing. > It would be like admitting your own technology is inferior >(which it probably is). We could easily end up being the minority (Logic >Audio), of a minority market (music apps), on a minority platform (OS X), >running on a minority machine (Macs)....it's gonna be tough convincing >plug-in developers I have a feeling. I also have a feeling that 2 hours to >wrap the plug-ins as an Audio Unit is extremely optimistic. Now I agree with you (2 hours that is).... on KVR:VST forums at least Art from Bitshift says they will support OS X on AU Don't worry this much at this early stage..enjoy life and Logic and make music :-) You'll be much happier... Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band: Now solo works also: New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

Hi All.. Just got an email from Waves tech support answering my question about Audio Unit versions of their plugins. They are in fact working on them now, and news as to their release will be forthcoming.. -- Peace, George III -- My home : http://tazmusic.com "Reet too tee too tee too tee too tee too teeeeeee" Frank Zappa "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney (1901-1966) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen, American golfer (1892-1969)

On 3/9/02 7:57 pm, "George Leger III" <george3@...> wrote: > Hi All.. > > Just got an email from Waves tech support answering my question about > Audio Unit versions of their plugins. They are in fact working on them > now, and news as to their release will be forthcoming.. That's probably the most exciting news about OS X Logic I've heard yet! I love Logic but it's the plug-ins and drivers that make the whole thing worth while. If Waves are committed to AU then chances are everyone else will follow suit. I've always found Waves to be a standard that others strive for. Now if we get some solid info on OS X versions from UAD and, dare I say it - Steinberg - the future will start to look really rosy. Come to think of it though, it's all a bit pointless for me until RME take the next step from their ALPHA driver that works on HDSP audio cards only, and release fully working CoreAudio drivers for the whole range (I don't want to trade my Hammerfall 9652 for an HDSP unit, it works fine as it is). I'm not complaining though, I'm just glad to see that it's begun in earnest. I won't jump onto the "Bleeding Edge" of technology this time. I bought OS X when Emagic first announced that they would be releasing an OS X version of Logic and I still have never managed to get it to work reliably with all my (non-audio) software and as there is no discount for upgrading to Jaguar from 10.x, I'm definitely going to wait for other people to find the problems and the solutions before I shell out the cash this time. I figure 10.5 (Pussycat) should have it licked. Gareth

> Just got an email from Waves tech support answering my question about > Audio Unit versions of their plugins. They are in fact working on them > now, and news as to their release will be forthcoming.. > -- > Peace, > > George III And this just in from Antares: > Gregory, > Auto-Tune will hopefully be compatible with OSX by 4th quarter (end of the > year). It's not a bad idea to email all the manufacturers of your favorite VSTs, asking about release dates. It may help them prioritize their efforts. Gregory

<Admin: The idea of a new plug-in format in a sea of existing formats such as VST is going to be controversial and a lot of opinions on this will exist, no question about it. Let's try to keep some of these posts to a minimum. Thanks.> Ok here comes the info from the absynth mailinglist (absynth-user@egroups.com): message from Brian Clevinger (Programmer of Absynth) 2.9.2002: > Absynth will definitely come in an audio unit flavor. > > Best, > Brian second message from Brian 2.9.2002: > I haven't looked at their library yet, but AU's are really a superset > of vst. Apple was obviously influenced by vst, but it's better > overall (plus it has real documentation). So audio/MIDI functionality > is pretty similar in fact. > > Fact is, all the plugin formats provide the same thing: audio + midi > (hopefully) and some kind of gui. Having a bunch of formats that all > do the same thing is no good for anyone, it's not diversity, just a > mess. AU is the best out there. I think any plugin or host developer > who seriously supports Mac has to support AUs. So reducing the > plethora of formats shouldn't result in fewer plugins, rather all > plugins will work on all hosts (and the SAME on all hosts;) Anyway, > I'm sure a vst wrapper for AU will appear soon. > > AU has Apple behind it, which means full integration with Core Audio, > and a real gui that should always work the same on any host, and that > can even be consistent with the platform's gui if it wants to. > > And Apple certainly bought Emagic in order to push Core Audio, so > it's not surprising. Typical Jobsian move. > > BTW, as for Absynth on OSX I can't make any announcement now > regarding when, where, how, or how much. This is the last time I'm > saying this. > > > Cheers, > Brian THAAAAAANKK YOU DestroyFX and absynth. Thanks b3t4

>> > It's not a bad idea to email all the manufacturers of your favorite > VSTs, > asking about release dates. It may help them prioritize their efforts. > > Gregory Um, maybe not in principle, but the practical reality is that if each of our many registered users were to e-mail us asking when AU support would be ready, it would likely set back our AU development about, oh, three hundred years. :) (Also, those thirty or so 'Emagic says it's trivial to port VST -> AU 2.0... it should only take a few hours' emails are starting to wear thin.) It's highly unlikely that any dev *doesn't* know what's going on... so if I might on the behalf of beleaguered developers beg patience while you wait for announcements of their AU plans. Like this one.... pHATmatik PRO for AU 2.0 is our highest priority (even more so than personal hygiene, marital relations and South Park). While Emagic has stated that it only takes four hours to port a VST to an AU 2.0, please allow us a little extra time to compensate for the fact that we're not German, and not as smart. :-) pHATmatik PRO for AU 2.0 will be released concurrently with pHATmatik PRO 1.1 for VST on Windows/OS 9 in the fourth quarter. Thanks, Art >>0xBA > > > > >