Just a FYI for those interested... VSamp appears as a virtual midi port in Logic/X, selectable for any instrument, with VSamp running standalone in the background. The VSamp author says that rather than packaging VSamp as an AudioUnit plugin, he'll simply take advantage of OSX's native inter-application audio streaming, so that when Logic supports it (HINT!), I'll be able to bring VSamp's outputs into the Logic mixer that way. Presumably VSamp's outputs will simply show up as a set of virtual CoreAudio inputs. I must say, it's bloody nice not to have to reboot out of my everyday OSX working setup just to run Logic, even if the 3rd- party stuff isn't a runner yet... John Pitcairn

--- In logic-users@y..., "johnpitcairn" <johnp@r...> wrote: > Just a FYI for those interested... > > VSamp appears as a virtual midi port in Logic/X, selectable for > any instrument, with VSamp running standalone in the > background. > > The VSamp author says that rather than packaging VSamp as > an AudioUnit plugin, he'll simply take advantage of OSX's native > inter-application audio streaming, so that when Logic supports it > (HINT!), I'll be able to bring VSamp's outputs into the Logic mixer > that way. Presumably VSamp's outputs will simply show up as a > set of virtual CoreAudio inputs. > > I must say, it's bloody nice not to have to reboot out of my > everyday OSX working setup just to run Logic, even if the 3rd- > party stuff isn't a runner yet... > > John Pitcairn This sounds really cool, but I'm confused. Does this work now or it will in the future? How does the "virtual midi port" work and where can I find it? The only thing holding me back is some kind of sampler for Logic X (can't afford EXS). Thanks Fucanay

--- In logic-users@y..., "fucanay" <fucanay@y...> wrote: > This sounds really cool, but I'm confused. Does this work now > or it will in the future? Logic midi->VSamp works now (in 10.1.5+). You don't need a midi interface. > How does the "virtual midi port" work and where can I find it? > The only thing holding me back is some kind of sampler for > Logic X (can't afford EXS). VSamp is $39. Download the demo from http://www.vsamp.com Fire up Logic and VSamp, choose a MIDI track in Logic, and the track's "port" parameter will have VSamp available as a destination. Audio return from VSamp directly into Logic's mixer is not yet supported, by Logic or by VSamp, but they can both share the hardware audio outputs. So no Logic effects on VSamp, for now. John Pitcairn

on 9/3/02 4:40 AM, fucanay at fucanay@... wrote: > This sounds really cool, but I'm confused. Does this work now or it will in > the > future? How does the "virtual midi port" work and where can I find it? This is one of the coolest features of OS X, bar none... *any* app can create virtual midi input or output ports on the fly (I believe it's the same for audio, too, but I haven't started messing with that API yet :)). These ports are transparent to client applications... they show up as midi devices in other apps just like your midi interface. So, in effect, you have ReWire++ built in to the operating system for *every* app... only from the user and developer's perspective it's much more transparent... by simply implementing CoreMidi support, you get virtual interconnectivity for *free* (free as in no additional code, negotiating licensing agreements with elitist Swedish developers, or paying licensing fees), and users don't have to memorize some arcane shutdown procedure for fear of hanging their system. Three years ago, I paid $1200 for a Creamware card just so I could have the ability to freely route audio and midi between any app... now it's built-in to the OS. What a great time to be alive. :) Best, Art >>0xBA

> Audio return from VSamp directly into Logic's mixer is not yet > supported, by Logic or by VSamp, but they can both share the > hardware audio outputs. So no Logic effects on VSamp, for now. > > John Pitcairn This is probably irrelevant enough to the Vsamp discussion to warrant its own thread, but you sparked a thought process in me (a rare occurrence) and I have to ask... I recently decided to put Logic's much-touted "multiple simultaneous drivers" feature to the test with an AW, DUO (Mac AV) and Core2 (ASIO). The only problem was that I couldn't pass audio from one audio driver path to another, in essence preventing me from using my MP100 (ASIO) effects on tracks set to AW or MAC. Unfortunately, that is a big enough problem that I went back to using ASIO only. Does OSX's "multiple programs to one interface and one program to multiple interfaces" feature allow this? Or is that maybe possible on LAM5.2 on OS9 and I just didn't do it right? Just curious. Gregory

On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Gregory Anderson wrote: > Does OSX's "multiple programs to one interface and one program to > multiple > interfaces" feature allow this? Or is that maybe possible on LAM5.2 > on OS9 > and I just didn't do it right? -- Not as far as I can tell.. My Delta 1010 and 66 cards don't seem to be recognized as one card like OS9. In otherwords, the multicard drivers do not work in OSX Peace, George III -- My home : http://tazmusic.com "Reet too tee too tee too tee too tee too teeeeeee" Frank Zappa "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney (1901-1966) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen, American golfer (1892-1969)

>VSamp appears as a virtual midi port in Logic/X, selectable for >any instrument, with VSamp running standalone in the background. ' Thanks for the info. I will try it. >The VSamp author says that rather than packaging VSamp as >an AudioUnit plugin, he'll simply take advantage of OSX's native >inter-application audio streaming, hmmm.... > so that when Logic supports it >(HINT!), I'll be able to bring VSamp's outputs into the Logic mixer >that way. This is cool, but one of the reasons why I love plug-ins so much is that the "patches" are saved along with the file. Not only that, there can be multiple instances of each plug-in. I wonder how both of these situations would be addressed with VSAMP as a stand alone app. > >I must say, it's bloody nice not to have to reboot out of my >everyday OSX working setup just to run Logic, even if the 3rd- >party stuff isn't a runner yet... Yep. Aron -- --------------------------------------------------- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626

--- In logic-users@y..., Gregory Anderson <ggaslp@p...> wrote: >I couldn't pass audio from one audio driver path to > another, in essence preventing me from using my MP100 >(ASIO) effects on tracks set to AW or MAC. Correct. That's the way it works - different drivers have entirely separate audio engines. You _can_ cobble together something by plugging physical ins & outs together & using input objects or the new I/O plugin for sends & returns among different cards, but it chews up I/O, adds latency & sorta defeats the purpose. Additionally, you can't sync the Mac AV sample clock to the others as it has no digital i/o, so stuff on Mac AV tracks will drift relative to the others over time. Whether CoreAudio will let you use multiple devices transparently is yet to be seen. I think the CoreAudio spec supports it in theory, but Logic 5.3 still forces you to choose _one_ driver for CoreAudio in Audio Hardware & Drivers. John Pitcairn