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Yes it is possible but of course the signal won't be "enhanced" by a good quality mic pre. At least now with 5.12 you can destructively use some plug ins like "Rennaisance Compressor" to control peaks & dips. Ggood for demo vocals if away from a studio environment but not recommended for finished vocals. Having said that however, a good performance is as a good performance and with a little imagination you could route a non mic pre'd vocal back out and through a mic pre after the fact as long as the signal had no digital clipping. Clive Young

On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 04:40 PM, Clive Young wrote: > Yes it is possible but of course the signal won't be "enhanced" by a > good > quality mic pre. Ah, the mic pre myth.. I have used a few "pro" mic pre's, like Neve, API, and Trident over the years. I now use a great tube mic going into a great D/A converter, and use plugins to compress, etc. I can't hear much difference between the tracks recorded with the two types of systems. I suggest listening and testing for yourself. -- Peace, George III -- My home : http://tazmusic.com "Reet too tee too tee too tee too tee too teeeeeee" Frank Zappa "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney (1901-1966) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen, American golfer (1892-1969)

Hello Clive > Yes it is possible but of course the signal won't be "enhanced" by a good > quality mic pre. Good mic pres do not just "enhance" a signal, they minimise artefacts, noise and other assorted undesirable colouration. > At least now with 5.12 you can destructively use some plug > ins like "Rennaisance Compressor" to control peaks & dips. > Ggood for demo vocals if away from a studio environment but not recommended > for finished vocals. > Having said that however, a good performance is as a good performance and > with a little imagination you could route a non mic pre'd vocal back out and > through a mic pre after the fact as long as the signal had no digital > clipping. > Clive Young The real benefit of high quality mic pres is the non-use of a lower quality mic inputs on a desk in the first instance. You are probably aware of this but I suspect your post might confuse some lesser experienced Logic users into thinking all can be repaired after most of the damage has been done. Garbage In Garbage Out always applys. I am sure there is someone on this list who can recommend a good value, low-cost, mono mic pre solution (with digi-out?). Let's try not to get too off-topic. Tony Perretta

>Good mic pres do not just "enhance" a signal, they minimise artefacts, noise and >other assorted undesirable colouration. > The prupose of a Mic Pre is to bring a microphone level signal up to line level (since a microphone signal is not loud enough to be processed without getting destroyed by RF and noise). Becuase the prcess involves making a copy of the original signal, there is always some sort of tonal footprint. The better the mic pre the better a footprint. Microphones are like your paint brushes and Mic pres are like your colors to paint with. This is generally one of the more important links in the audio chain. Cheers! Colin Miller