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From: "Aeon Flux" <amiglior@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 3:45:40 AM
Subject: [LAWP]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117394
Ok, here's the deal. Back in May I built a new PC for myself (I let my old G4 go...who knew??). Anyway, I did a fresh install of Win XP Pro and Logic 5.0 and experienced nothing but problems. Drop down menus in certain audio programs (Rebirth in particular) would cause a fuzzy kind of static through my soundcard (MOTU 2408 Mk I - yes, I had current XP drivers btw) and playback was nearly impossible at any buffer setting. Logic didn't fare much better, I got tons of ASIO Overload errors. I went through all the possible tweaks, disabling nearly everything to make it run better. No luck. I switched back to Win 98 SE and went from there. Although it runs mediocre, it's just extra buggy 90% of the time. I may get 15 tracks of audio with maybe just as many plug-ins and I still get those rotten ASIO errors. The System Performance bar graph under "Audio" runs at about 1/3. Come on, my old G4 single 450 would handle this just fine! Also, I cannot set my 2408 buffer under 1024 or else I get even more ASIO errors (makes for super tricky EXS 24 timing). On my old Mac, I could run it right down to 64 with no problems. I want to run XP but am afraid to try this install again for fear I'll be unable to work in the foreseeable future. Here's my setup: Asus P4T-E Mboard Intel Pentium IV 2.1ghz 512 mb Rambus RAM Logic Platinum 5.1.3 Hard Drives are 7200 rpm IBM Deskstars (never het disk overload errors, though) MOTU 2408 Mk I (XP drivers were current at the time and there appears to have been no update since) It just doesn't seem right that I am unable to run more than 15 or so audio tracks at a time on this machine. Forget about using more than one VSTi - that's totally out of the question. I know some people find XP to be totally stable and some are running the exact same hardware configuration as myself. Has there been a service release for XP that addresses these issues? Does anyone have any advice outside of going back to a Mac? Frustrated... Thanks. >
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From: itsplayed <itsplayed@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 7:33:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [LAWP]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117405
This is a reply to #117394.
--- Aeon Flux <amiglior@...> wrote: > Ok, here's the deal. Back in May I built a new PC > for myself (I let my old > G4 go...who knew??). Anyway, I did a fresh install > of Win XP Pro and Logic > When you say you did a fresh install did you write zero's back on your hard drive before installing XP? Regards, Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
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From: "Herbert Boland" <yahoo@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 10:50:08 AM
Subject: RE: [LUG] [LAWP]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117435
This is a reply to #117394.
Aeon Flux [mailto:amiglior@...]: >Drop down menus in certain audio programs >(Rebirth in particular) would cause a fuzzy kind >of static through my soundcard (MOTU 2408 Mk I - yes, >I had current XP drivers btw) and playback was >nearly impossible at any buffer setting. Logic didn't >fare much better, I got tons of ASIO Overload >errors. I went through all the possible tweaks, >disabling nearly everything to make it run better. Does the system share interrupts between sound card, graphics card etc.? I recently disabled ACPI on my ASUS A7V133 to make sure that my sound card (M-audio) has a free IRQ. This does have a huge impact. Don't know about faster/newer motherboards. I got into trouble after upgrading from Logic 4.8 to 5.1... Now I have occasional static noises but ASIO errors are gone. Logic 4.8 used to be fast and responsive on XP Home. Should you decide to disable ACPI, read more about it to fully understand what this is about. Look in the LUG archives for relevant messages on this topic. Herbert Boland www.mp3.com/ztudio_zeppelin
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From: "HKC" <hkc@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 4:42:35 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [LAW]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117461
This is a reply to #117394.
Aeon Flux wrote:It just doesn't seem right that I am unable to run more than 15 or so audio tracks at a time on this machine. Something is definately wrong that much I can tell you. I have the same setup as you except for my Hammerfall and a 1.8 P4. I can run at least 64 tracks (I didn´t test more than that because that was Logics max at the time) and more than 50 platinum reverbs without asio overloads. Of course I don´t do that I just tested the performance when I first got my PC. All I can advice you is to do yet another clean install of everything and if that´s not enough I would check the soundcard since that´s our only difference in setups and then there´s always the possibility of some part not working properly. Henrik hkc@...
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From: "Tony Perretta" <bambony@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 6:26:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [LAWP]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117478
This is a reply to #117394.
From: "Aeon Flux" <amiglior@...> > Here's my setup: > > Asus P4T-E Mboard > Intel Pentium IV 2.1ghz > 512 mb Rambus RAM > Logic Platinum 5.1.3 > Hard Drives are 7200 rpm IBM Deskstars (never het disk overload errors, > though) > MOTU 2408 Mk I (XP drivers were current at the time and there appears to > have been no update since) > > It just doesn't seem right that I am unable to run more than 15 or so audio > tracks at a time on this machine. Forget about using more than one VSTi - > that's totally out of the question. I know some people find XP to be totally > stable and some are running the exact same hardware configuration as myself. > Has there been a service release for XP that addresses these issues? No > Does > anyone have any advice outside of going back to a Mac? Yes: This machine should fly on XP and handle Logic with ease. Why don't u "advanced" install XP on a different freshly formatted partition? Disable ACPI (as documented in any Win XP audio tweaks page with the F5 Key - switch to Standard PC) on install or better still disable ACPI in your BIOS. Once u have done this the only necessary tweak within XP is to set the machine to prioritise "background services" (again well documented). If this still fails I would suggest there is a fault somewhere. Download SiSoft Sandra and run the benchmark tests. This might guide you as to where your performance is disappearing. http://www.sisoftware.demon.co.uk/sandra/ All this is really only a few hours work and it will reap massive dividends to have things correct from the start. Tony Perretta
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From: "bru95bg" <bbg@...>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 at 7:38:58 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [LAWP]: Windows XP or not?
Message #117500
This is a reply to #117478.
> From: "Aeon Flux" <amiglior@t...> > > Here's my setup: > > Asus P4T-E Mboard > > Intel Pentium IV 2.1ghz > > 512 mb Rambus RAM > > Logic Platinum 5.1.3 > > Hard Drives are 7200 rpm IBM Deskstars (never het disk overload errors, > > though) > > MOTU 2408 Mk I (XP drivers were current at the time and there appears to > > have been no update since) Aeon, I would like to suggest you also check to see if you have any other applications on your machine which run at a slower speed than expected. This my point you toward a fault. I have a lesser set up to you with win2000 and it is very solid. Is it possible for you to remove anyt other PCI cards from you machine other than the the MOTU interface, then test. XP sets up IQR settings automaticly but some bios setups prefer to have IQR's asigned within the bios. When I set up my system initally I had bad performance but I managed to get a computer nut to help me with the bios set up and after that the system has been very solid.
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