>WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X >WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X >You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal >Modem is it not serial ? Hi, it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial MIDI (not necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I am a PC user and this has been clear to me. Ray

At 07:46 PM 8/31/2002 +1000, you wrote: >it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial MIDI (not >necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I am a PC >user and this has been clear to me. My specualtion as to the reason why is that this is a new protocol (or whatever the correct term is) and Apple wants to keep it streamlined and efficient rather than bogging it down with extra code for legacy stuff which is just going to become less and less used as time passes. The decision will probably be negative to a small few in orfder to benefit the majority. I personally use the serial part of my Unitor, but I can understand Apple's thinking and will happily witch to USB when OSX is usable for Logic since core midi will obviously be optimized for USB.Hopefully some of the legacy users will start to realize that they are just looking at the future. It always sucks when you have to shell out some extra doe for some new gear, but I'm sure USB will last for a long enough time to justify the cost for those people. Just my 2 cents :-) Colin Miller

Hi there, On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 07:16 AM, Colin Miller wrote: > At 07:46 PM 8/31/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >> it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial >> MIDI (not >> necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I >> am a PC >> user and this has been clear to me. > > My specualtion as to the reason why is that this is a new protocol (or > whatever the correct term is) and Apple wants to keep it streamlined and > efficient rather than bogging it down with extra code for legacy stuff > which is just going to become less and less used as time passes. The > decision will probably be negative to a small few in orfder to benefit > the > majority. I personally use the serial part of my Unitor, but I can > understand Apple's thinking and will happily witch to USB when OSX is > usable for Logic since core midi will obviously be optimized for > USB.Hopefully some of the legacy users will start to realize that they > are > just looking at the future. It always sucks when you have to shell out > some > extra doe for some new gear, but I'm sure USB will last for a long > enough > time to justify the cost for those people. Just my 2 cents :-) Yep, I fully agree with that and do understand/appreciate this. Again, my thinking is that from a user point of view (don't know if this makes good business sense) it is non-sensical to replace a perfectly good piece of equipment due to the fact that its only deficiency happens to be the lack of a USB port for example, as in this case. Tomorrow it will be the same for USB port interfaces. The Mk I and MII afaik are virtually identical otherwise. Anyway - it'd be great if Emagic came out with a "Unitor". i.e., a stripped down Unitor8/AMT8 that simply allowed older Unitor8's to connect to the "Unitor" which then connected to the computer. This "Unitor" could then be replaced whenever a new protocol was required...meaning that when USB's game is up the current crop of Unitor's could remain just as useful. This means much cheaper upgrades from a User point of view. Again - not sure if that's great from a business point of view... > Colin Miller with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

--- In logic-users@y..., Lachlan Deck <ldeck@t...> wrote: > Hi there, > > On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 07:16 AM, Colin Miller wrote: > > At 07:46 PM 8/31/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >> it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial > >> MIDI (not > >> necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I > >> am a PC > >> user and this has been clear to me. <Cut by admin due to length of re-posted text.> > Yep, I fully agree with that and do understand/appreciate this. > Again, my thinking is that from a user point of view (don't know if this > makes good business sense) it is non-sensical to replace a perfectly > good piece of equipment due to the fact that its only deficiency happens > to be the lack of a USB port for example, as in this case. Tomorrow it > will be the same for USB port interfaces.> > Colin Miller <Cut by admin due to length of re-posted text.> > with regards, > > -- > Lachlan Deck > ldeck@t... Sorry but i am less forgiving and getting sick and tired of this crap. Just got stuck about 1 year ago with an opcode 64x interface when the company was bought out by peayvey (who needs midi when you sell guitars) >> no support anymore, no drivers for win2k/winxp. So i though wise and choose for a solid brand/interface >> Unitor8 (serial version). Then emagic gets sold out to apple (who needs a serial interface when you sell USB machines). So even if i am switching to a mac. I now have to buy a new computer (which i already have) a new midi interface (which i already have) and who knows whats next that is not compatible anymore with the mac. This REALLY SUCKS !!!. I like macs but i hate spending money for nothing. Anyway , thanks for letting me spill my guts ;-) Glenn Venghaus

At 01:31 PM 9/1/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Sorry but i am less forgiving and getting sick and tired of this crap. >Just got stuck about 1 year ago with an opcode 64x interface when the >company was bought out by peayvey (who needs midi when you sell >guitars) >> no support anymore, no drivers for win2k/winxp. >So i though wise and choose for a solid brand/interface >> Unitor8 >(serial version). Then emagic gets sold out to apple (who needs a >serial interface when you sell USB machines). So even if i am >switching to a mac. I now have to buy a new computer (which i already >have) a new midi interface (which i already have) and who knows whats >next that is not compatible anymore with the mac. >This REALLY SUCKS !!!. I like macs but i hate spending money for >nothing. > >Anyway , thanks for letting me spill my guts ;-) > >Glenn Venghaus When I buy a piece of gear, I try to take these kinda things into account. For example when I bought a MOTU midi interface a little over a year ago, having USB was a big requirement, even though my computer at the time didn't have USB. But my thought was that serial would only be around for so long before being replced by USB and having the USB on an interface would ensured a longer lifespan. I am sure though that someone will make some kind of USB to serial adaptor or something like that. Also, keep in mind that you wont have to replace your stuff for some time. YOu have a good year at least before anything starts getting outdated. Colin Miller

Hi there, On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 11:31 PM, glenn_venghaus wrote: > --- In logic-users@y..., Lachlan Deck <ldeck@t...> wrote: > >> Yep, I fully agree with that and do understand/appreciate this. >> Again, my thinking is that from a user point of view >> (don't know if this makes good business sense) it is >> non-sensical to replace a perfectly good piece of >> equipment due to the fact that its only deficiency happens >> to be the lack of a USB port for example, as in this case. >> Tomorrow it will be the same for USB port interfaces. > Sorry but i am less forgiving and getting sick and tired of this crap. > Just got stuck about 1 year ago with an opcode 64x interface when the > company was bought out by peayvey (who needs midi when you sell > guitars) >> no support anymore, no drivers for win2k/winxp. It was Gibson... but your point is nevertheless made. > ... > This REALLY SUCKS !!!. I like macs but i hate spending money for > nothing. Like I said - nonsensical... ;-) > > Anyway , thanks for letting me spill my guts ;-) > > Glenn Venghaus with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...