Hi there, I said. << Logic for OS X is that my Unitor 8 won't be supported... >> > From: XOtherJesusx@... > In the middle of a discission I came across this line above. > Is this true? There is not going to be support for the Unitor 8 on MAC > OSX? > Why in the hell? You obviously missed the debacle ;-) months ago... I have the original Unitor 8 - i.e., the pre-USB version. It connects to a mac or pc via a serial cable (differing for each). Unfortunately, from what Markus Fritze mentioned after he'd had a coffee with the guy who's working on CoreMIDI for OS X is that serial interfaces won't be supported. For me this was very disappointing, as it's still a very fine unit, but I'd summarize the reasoning like so: OS X runs on everything from a Beige G3 233 and later. Beige G3 computers have serial ports. Blue & White G3's and up have USB ports and no serial ports. No Currently sold mac (or future mac) will have serial ports... You get the picture - it's floppy disk technology ;-) (btw, my inbuilt floppy drive is not supported - though there's an open source effort that's made it possible to use if I should want to. There's a stack of open source stuff available btw. External floppy drives from 3rd parties are no worries of course) I think there may have been other technical reasons - as CoreAudio and CoreMIDI allow multiple applications to access the same devices _at the same time_ which might have been an impossibility with the serial protocol. > Somebody please fill me in. So any Unitor8MkII is in the clear... (mine - let's call it MkI - is not, but will work fine with OS 9 for as long as I want) > peace, > ken. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

I said. > << Logic for OS X is that my Unitor 8 won't be supported... >> From: XOtherJesusx@... >> In the middle of a discission I came across this line above. >> Is this true? There is not going to be support for the Unitor 8 on MAC >> OSX? >> Why in the hell? "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> wrote: > You obviously missed the debacle ;-) months ago... Hello Lachlam I do not know why you speak in favor of Emagic, on that point. You should be shouting with other users. WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal Modem is it not serial ? Best Cyril <quotes repositioned by admin>

On 7/5/02 3:47 PM, "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> wrote: > Hi there, > > I said. > << Logic for OS X is that my Unitor 8 won't be supported... >> > >> From: XOtherJesusx@... >> In the middle of a discission I came across this line above. >> Is this true? There is not going to be support for the Unitor 8 on MAC >> OSX? >> Why in the hell? > > You obviously missed the debacle ;-) months ago... > Hello Lachlam I do not know why you speak in favor of Emagic, on that point. You should be shouting with other users. WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal Modem ! is it not serial ? What I just read in the Core Audio manual (page 76): > Many MIDI drivers can simply be user-side I/O Kit clients (probably for > serial, > USB, Firewire). PCI card drivers will need their MIDI drivers to communicate > with a separate Kernel extension. Best Cyril

Hi there Cyril, On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 01:44 PM, Cyril Blanc wrote: > I said. > >> << Logic for OS X is that my Unitor 8 won't be supported... >> > > From: XOtherJesusx@... > >>> In the middle of a discission I came across this line above. >>> Is this true? There is not going to be support for the Unitor 8 on >>> MAC >>> OSX? >>> Why in the hell? > > "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> wrote: > >> You obviously missed the debacle ;-) months ago... > > Hello Lachlam Now there's a cool synthesis: Lachlan who uses LAM --> Lachlam. > I do not know why you speak in favor of Emagic, on that point. You > should be > shouting with other users. How long ago did I write this? The question Cyril, is if you're going to shout (which I tend not to - I prefer to talk/reason) is what, and to whom, do we shout ?! To reiterate: - I would absolutely love it if my Unitor 8 Mk I (no typo) would be compatible with Mac OS X. - I'm absolutely confident that if it _were_ possible that Michael/Markus and Co (aka Emagic Inc) would provide a Unitor 8 Mk I driver for Mac OS X. The facts are: - However, as Markus has already pointed out (after having Coffee with the dude who leads the development for CoreMIDI), serial devices are _not_ supported at all through CoreMIDI. That makes it an impossibility from Emagic's developmental point of view. Do you understand that? You seem to think that because I am simply putting forward the facts of the situation that I support the idea behind it. I was not happy at all when I first found out - but the simple fact of the matter is that until CoreMIDI provides support for serial devices, Emagic can do nothing about it (except maybe try to use its influence now that it is on the Apple team). You need to realise who's responsibility this situation falls with. You are wrongly imho placing it with Emagic (ironically you should be placing it with MotU seeing as you have a MotU interface). But it's not their fault either, yet. (i.e., unless CoreMIDI's support for serial devices becomes a reality). Again, they will not be able to supply the driver unless CoreMIDI provides serial support - but it's their responsibility to provide the driver for their hardware should that be possible. > WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X I would love this to happen, yes. Will it? Hmm. My Unitor 8 Mk I is a great unit. There's no reason why it needs to be replaced. I can envision the same situation happening with USB midi interfaces. Something needs to happen so that good technology doesn't become obsolete simply because it fails at one point - the connection to the computer! Actually I'd love it if Emagic made their interfaces (the large ones) so that they could easily adapt to changing conditions. That way a simple change of adaptor and you're away. I don't need to buy a new AMT8 or Unitor8 just to be able to hook my existing Unitor up to the computer. Just a suggestion / Wishlist :-)) > WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X This would be great too. But I'm not sure that Emagic are in the printing game... ;-) > You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal > Modem is it not serial ? Again the facts: - Firstly, Apple provides the motherboard space for one reason only from their point of view - the internal modem. This is about the only thing that has serial support in OS X. My suggestion (if you can afford it) is to go ethernet for your next printer purchase. Why? it's much less likely that ethernet will become obsolete. Who knows how long it will be before USB is yesterdays technology... - Mac OS X's print system (The software) provides no support for serial devices. I hope that will change but it hasn't yet. There's no reason though why the open source community can't add serial support for things _but_ the issue is 3rd party drivers. I'm doubtful that Epson would provide the drivers if it were possible. (I'm going to try and hack a similar driver as the computer sees the printer via usb/parallel cable but just won't use it...). Anyway - here's a toast to old technology ;-) > Best > Cyril with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

Hi again, On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 03:21 PM, Cyril Blanc wrote: > What I just read in the Core Audio manual (page 76): > >> Many MIDI drivers can simply be user-side I/O Kit clients (probably for >> serial, >> USB, Firewire). PCI card drivers will need their MIDI drivers to >> communicate >> with a separate Kernel extension. I'll have a look at this reference. If this is the case then I guess that could (I say could) mean that we have hope... At least hope is better than no hope in my book. > Best > Cyril with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> > The question Cyril, is if you're going to shout (which I tend not to - I > prefer to talk/reason) is what, and to whom, do we shout ?! > > To reiterate: > - I would absolutely love it if my Unitor 8 Mk I (no typo) would be > compatible with Mac OS X. > - I'm absolutely confident that if it _were_ possible that > Michael/Markus and Co (aka Emagic Inc) would provide a Unitor 8 Mk I > driver for Mac OS X. > > The facts are: > - However, as Markus has already pointed out (after having Coffee with > the dude who leads the development for CoreMIDI), serial devices are > _not_ supported at all through CoreMIDI. That makes it an impossibility > from Emagic's developmental point of view. Do you understand that? I'd bet that your old Unitor Mk1 will still be supported as a serial port extension of an AMT8 or U8Mk2 (going to the Mac trough a usb cable). Andrea

Hi there, On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 08:02 PM, Andrea Gozzi wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> >> The question Cyril, is if you're going to shout (which I tend not >> to - I >> prefer to talk/reason) is what, and to whom, do we shout ?! >> >> To reiterate: >> - I would absolutely love it if my Unitor 8 Mk I (no typo) would be >> compatible with Mac OS X. >> - I'm absolutely confident that if it _were_ possible that >> Michael/Markus and Co (aka Emagic Inc) would provide a Unitor 8 Mk I >> driver for Mac OS X. >> >> The facts are: >> - However, as Markus has already pointed out (after having Coffee with >> the dude who leads the development for CoreMIDI), serial devices are >> _not_ supported at all through CoreMIDI. That makes it an impossibility >> from Emagic's developmental point of view. Do you understand that? > > I'd bet that your old Unitor Mk1 will still be supported as a serial > port > extension of an AMT8 or U8Mk2 (going to the Mac trough a usb cable). Oh there's no issue there. Yes it would. But I don't need (or should I say want) to buy another 8 port midi interface just to plug this one in. So ideally the situation will change or there'll be some easy fix (like an adapter) - and that's my hope. But as Ray said - this situation has been a given for a long time now. > Andrea with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

--- In logic-users@y..., Lachlan Deck <ldeck@t...> wrote: > Hi again, > > On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 03:21 PM, Cyril Blanc wrote: > > > What I just read in the Core Audio manual (page 76): > > > >> Many MIDI drivers can simply be user-side I/O Kit clients (probably for > >> serial, > >> USB, Firewire). PCI card drivers will need their MIDI drivers to > >> communicate > >> with a separate Kernel extension. > > I'll have a look at this reference. If this is the case then I guess > that could (I say could) mean that we have hope... > At least hope is better than no hope in my book. > > > Best > > Cyril > > with regards, > > -- > Lachlan Deck > ldeck@t How about these Belkin USb hubs with plugable serial port module for the mac. Would this work ??? Wouldnt the serial data be converted to USB , or is it more complicated than this. Glenn Venghaus (thinking of how to migrate to MAc from PC, with Unitor MK1)

Hi there, On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 11:44 PM, glenn_venghaus wrote: > How about these Belkin USb hubs with plugable serial port module for > the mac. Would this work ??? Not AFAIK. > Wouldnt the serial data be converted to USB , or is it more > complicated than this? Yes. > Glenn Venghaus (thinking of how to migrate to MAc from PC, with > Unitor MK1) AFAIK Mac OS 9 (which supports serial) will be supported by Logic for a long time. At least that was the last word on the subject months ago... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...