Wow, this is really weird news. Well, hopefully this means we'll be seeing that OS X version sooner... I can't imagine that this will do Emagic very well, financially. But I guess it will simplify their work, and obviously give them some additional useful inside resources. It sucks to split the Logic scene, though, and I feel really sorry for all of the PC Logic users out there right now. > M aximum > A rrogance > C omputing Oh, don't be such a dick, "autophonic." > Subject: GEN: Flashback!! > > Does anyone remember this: > > "Gibson buys Opcode"!!! Well, I don't really see where the comparison works at all. Gibson isn't buying Emagic, it's Apple who are doing it. Gibson has a notorious history of buying and destroying companies. Apple does not. In fact, if anyone has done anything to, ummm, dignify Opcode's legacy (or something like that), it's Apple because they hired Opcode's Doug Wyatt to work on the MIDI system in Mac OS X. > Never have I disliked saying "I told you so" more than I do at this moment. Heh heh, I was waiting for you to come along and grab your moment, Howard. :) Marc Poirier

Another problem for some of us PC users is the large ESX libarys we have been amassing. If we change program all we have is the VST player version EXP-24, we really need a full VST version of the EXS-24 that we can use in other programs. Oh and perhaps they could give it to us for fee, because I doubt there will any money comming from the 70,000 LAW users hands ever again!!! I am Soooo glad I chose not to pay the $400aus to upgrade. I knew something didnt feel right. Adam Calaitzis Toyland Recording Studio Melbourne Australia www.toyland.com.au

> > > > Does anyone remember this: > > > > "Gibson buys Opcode"!!! > > Well, I don't really see where the comparison works at all. Gibson isn't > buying Emagic, it's Apple who are doing it. Gibson has a notorious > history of buying and destroying companies. Apple does not. In fact, if > anyone has done anything to, ummm, dignify Opcode's legacy (or something > like that), it's Apple because they hired Opcode's Doug Wyatt to work on > the MIDI system in Mac OS X. > Gibson bought Opcode, made big promises about all the good things they were going to do for the company, and then gutted it. Apple is, at the very least, gutting the Windows side of Emagic, so it is an apt comparison in some respects. There is no reason why Apple couldn't continue to support Logic on Windows (Microsoft supports Office on the Mac, after all), except of course, because they want people to use Macs. Personally, I don't see many Windows users switching to Macs just to use Logic, but maybe I'm wrong. As a one time Studio Vision user who switched to LAP, I am now in the position of again having to switch to a new sequencer again. I bought Logic because it was cross-platform, and I could use it with my laptop, and my Mac. This is bad for everyone who uses a computer to make music, as now there are fewer choices, and less competition. If anyone is interested, I have a copy of LAMP with EXS24 and ES1, as well as a copy of LAWS for sale. Best offer takes it. Please reply directly. Jonathan jon@...

Wow - I guess Emagic must be really struggling. I can't see a thriving company succumbing to this kind of aggresive and market limiting takeover. I guess nobody at Emagic really cares (and I feel for those who may no longer be at their desk!) but as a dedicated LAWP user since it first appeared I feel totally betrayed. I have no intention of even entertaining a move to Mac - if Apple think this will encourage PC->Mac migration, I suspect they'll be disappointed. The way this has been dropped on the Logic communtity could hardly have been less diplomatically handled - Steinberg are already rubbing their hands! I hope whatever sensible group action as can be mustered takes palce. The cost of cross-grading to Cubase or Nuendo is a kick in the nuts, not to mention the loss of EVP, SoundDiver updates etc. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge of the legal agreement implicit in the version 5 upgrade can comment on whether Emagic have any liabilities or responsibilities to their existing user-base. I suspect not. FWIW, personel at Sound Technology (Emagic's UK distributor) are shocked, stunned and severely pissed off. I can't see this doing alot for relations with Emagic's business partners, never mind the confidence of their user-base. Emagic becomes part of a much bigger pie and much more prone to complete dissolution if it doesn't pay it's way or overall strategy calls for resources to be diverted elsewhere. I guess this is 'farewell' to and for alot of people on this list. See you all on the other side!!

>>I am stunned! This is outrageous! I was just thinking it was time to >>I agree completely. And me, too. Years of investions of thousands of euros. 100% stable Win-DAW. And now I'm supposed to buy a completly foreign system? No way, guys. Just purchased ES2. Was going to buy Evoc20 this month and LC the end of the year. Not anymore. What about the promised updates? Is there still a developer team for windows which will give us the promised features? Or will Apple freeze it at once to rip us off? No Steve, you have bought emagic, but you can't buy me. Lot of sadness these days Regards Chris Registered LAPW-User

> There is no reason why Apple couldn't continue to support Logic on > Windows (Microsoft supports Office on the Mac, after all), except of > course, because they want people to use Macs. Personally, I don't see > many Windows users switching to Macs just to use Logic, but maybe I'm > wrong. I certainly won't be. I was just starting to enjoy using Logic 5.0 and have been using SoundDiver for a year. The support for updating SoundDiver is so far behind, and now the problems will most likely never be fixed for PC users. My new XSkey registration is in progress, so I am attempting to find out my options for aborting that, and getting my money back. Damn shame :( Daz.