Hi all, I thought people might be interested: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/01emagic.html Thomas

mmmmmmmh! very rare decision to stop windows releases, especially with the recent release of samplitude, which is windows only... But anyways, I'm happy I switched to the mac earlier! Lolo

PC Gang - Sorry about the bad news. Apple/ Emagic will have to find a way to compensate PC users who spent thousands of dollars on Emagic's products. But... as a Mac user I feel this step was essential for Apple. Not once I've been frustrated with the reluctance of developers to release a Mac version of their plug-ins. I think Apple saw a big migration to the PC platform in their crystal ball - especially since Win XP is a really good and stable OS. They had to prove that they're serious about their commitment to musicians - not only graphic designers/ film directors. A whole system (from the very low level kernel to the hardware) designed from the ground up for music and multimedia creation? not a bad idea at all. So maybe finally we'll see developers porting their work to the Mac platform... ? Cheers, -Nir > From: Lvee <lvee@...> > Reply-To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:20:07 +0200 > To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [LUG] [GEN] Apple buys Emagic > > mmmmmmmh! very rare decision to stop windows releases, especially with the > recent release of samplitude, which is windows only... > > But anyways, I'm happy I switched to the mac earlier! > > Lolo > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > FAQ: http://www.belway.com/lug/ > OT: send all Off Topic replies to logic-ot@yahoogroups.com or privately. > SUBJECTS: include the right abbreviation (GEN/LAM/LAW/LC/OT) in all posts. > QUOTES: please trim your quotes as much as possible and put comments below. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

> So maybe finally we'll see developers porting their work to the Mac > platform... ? > > Cheers, > -Nir Why would a developer wish to develope a product for a shrinking user base instead of a growing one? It boggles the mind. Robert www.robertdeaner.com

It's hard to know what happened here, but it's probably something like this E-Magic start to do really well with version 5. You could see it overtaking Cubase in popularity. E-Magic struggle to keep up production. This explains a lot about the last few months. Cash flow may have been a problem - it's hard to go from small to huge - most companies fall at this stage. Apple make a bid for E-Magic. Not sure how the company are set up, share-wise, but it could have been a hostile takeover of just a 'too good to miss' offer. Apple see their small music market share held by integrating Logic, the most popular Mac based sequencer. Makes perfect market sense for Apple, none for E-Magic. But E-Magic do not , in reality, exist any more as a seperate company. I could be totally wrong of course! Regards Stephen Bennett. Composer and sound design. (UK) henry fool & The Fire Thieves www.chaosstudios.co.uk Author of 'The Fast Guide To Logic' and 'Making Music with E-Magic Logic Audio' www.pc-pubs.demon.co.uk > > > So maybe finally we'll see developers porting their work to the Mac > > platform... ? > > > > Cheers, > > -Nir > > Why would a developer wish to develope a product for a shrinking > user base instead of a growing one? It boggles the mind. > > Robert > www.robertdeaner.com

>E-Magic start to do really well with version 5. You could see it >overtaking Cubase in popularity. E-Magic struggle to keep up >production. This explains a lot about the last few months. Cash flow >may have been a problem - it's hard to go from small to huge - most >companies fall at this stage. I think it has not looked good for Emagic for the past year - too much delay time between the big announcements for LC, L5 various plugs - and their arrival - all this time that nothing is shipping means no cash coming in. On top of that - aside from a couple of people on this list - virtually none of the many Logic users I know personally have invested in LC. I am just guessing - but I think this product, which surely cost some significant development $$ - has just not taken off as hoped for in terms of actual sales. That would be another cash crunch. I also know a number of Logic users who are still sitting at 4.x because their systems are older (still running serial interfaces - no usb). The new dongle in L5 is a barrier - that and the fact that the main array of new features centre around LC - which, for whatever reason, does not interest them at this time. Translation - not as many $$ in upgrades as expected. So perhaps Emagic really needed help just to stay alive - Apple saw an opportunity to bring in another premium multimedia app into the fold. et voila.

At 03:22 2002-07-01 -0700, you wrote: >of their plug-ins. I think Apple saw a big migration to the PC platform in >their crystal ball - especially since Win XP is a really good and stable >OS. They had to prove that they're serious about their commitment to >musicians - not only graphic designers/ film directors. Yeah right. I already have several Mac-user friends who are saying they are going to Steinberg. They rate cross-platform compatability over anything else. People should be able to bring their home-made work to the studio. This far Emagic has been the business for that. Now it ain't. I pretty convinced there is at least a 2:1 ratio on Mac-users cross-grading to other software as opposed to PC-users switching hardware. I use both, and have now ordered cross-grading versions of Cubase for both. I have also sent out mail to everybody I work or have worked with to do the same. I am also probably going to ditch MAC hardware completely, and I have warned that it might happen... Best regards Bo Eriksson

Bo Eriksson wrote: > Yeah right. > I already have several Mac-user friends who are saying they are going to > Steinberg. They rate cross-platform compatability over anything else. > People should be able to bring their home-made work to the studio. I think that _basically_ people who make their living from music composition either work on Macs or have the extra dough to eventually own a Mac for Logic. Certainly many Mac-based composers also have a PC so that they can use GIGA, so owning 2 platforms is not that strange. Again, I'm talking specifically about full-time composers. Are the friends you've mentioned full-time professional (meaning they make all their money from music) composers/musicians? Ned PS: I do feel bad for PC users today. I hope that Emagic and Apple will lighten the blow by offering you some kind of compensation for this 'shaft'. http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

From: "Ned Bouhalassa" <ned@...> > I think that _basically_ people who make their > living from music composition either work on Macs > or have the extra dough to eventually own a Mac > for Logic. Certainly many Mac-based composers also > have a PC so that they can use GIGA, so owning 2 > platforms is not that strange. Again, I'm talking > specifically about full-time composers. Are the > friends you've mentioned full-time professional > (meaning they make all their money from music) > composers/musicians? Where the heck to you get your delusions? Living off my musical skills for the past 9 years (on PC), this has nothing to do with money. Even if you had the money the Mac simply isn't power full enough to run, at least my projects. The future of producing music is based on CPU power, software samplers, software instruments, etc. The problem now is that we are set back two or three years in CPU power. All the money in the world can't buy you a Mac 2.4 GHz. It simply doesn't exists. I have to dig up all my MIDI based equipment from the cellar again. *Sigh* This is just awful news... Back to bouncing and all that shit.

--- In logic-users@y..., "Elvis Presley" <elvis.presley@3...> wrote: > samplers, software instruments, etc. The problem now is that we > are set back two or three years in CPU power. All the money in the > world can't buy you a Mac 2.4 GHz. It simply doesn't exists. I have > to dig up all my MIDI based equipment from the cellar again. before you draw the conclusion that mac is not fast enough to run all your plug ins and audio, I suggest that you try them on a mac. I've been using both platforms for sometime and raw cpu performance is some what miss leading when it comes to audio applications. yes! it is terrible news that emagic is abandoning windows platform but the performance of the software on one platform over the other is the last thing that I would worry about. Oh... I used to work for microsoft until last year and I make living working on wintel machines.

Elvis Presley wrote: >Where the heck to you get your delusions? Living off my musical skills for >the past 9 years (on PC), this has nothing to do with money. Even if you had >the money the Mac simply isn't power full enough to run, at least my >projects. The future of producing music is based on CPU power, software >samplers, software instruments, etc. The problem now is that we are set back >two or three years in CPU power. All the money in the world can't buy you a >Mac 2.4 GHz. It simply doesn't exists. I have to dig up all my MIDI based >equipment from the cellar again. *Sigh* This is just awful news... Back to >bouncing and all that shit. Please refer to my other posts regarding Mac hardware and optimisations performed by Apple. Take care Jesse Widener

> > So maybe finally we'll see developers porting their work to the Mac > > platform... ? > > > > Cheers, > > -Nir From: "rmtdjr" <musikhouse@...> > Why would a developer wish to develope a product for a shrinking > user base instead of a growing one? It boggles the mind. If a company is in red or in dire straits and a Big Guy pays you nifty bucks (and I mean affluent retirement and all) you may accept regardless of the insanity of the idea. Sad but happens. Best Regards, Krzysztof