http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/01emagic.html unbelievable I just hope this has a positive effect. bye.

----- Original Message ----- From: "gnom1970" <gnom@...> > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/01emagic.html > unbelievable > I just hope this has a positive effect. <<<Macintosh®-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's current revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002.>>> This doesn't seem much positive for me. Hopefully this is not true. -- Arvid Solvang http://www.viagram.no/

Wait a sec .... wasn't Apple rumoured to be buying Digital performer too? I thought thi must have been an elaborate hoax, but it's at www.emagic.de too -very elaborate if it is. Strange. Why loose 45% of your market share overnight? 'Emagic's most popular product, Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 musicians around the world. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned division of Apple.' That's 130,000 from this moment onwards. bad,bad news. Regards Stephen Bennett. Composer and sound design. (UK) henry fool & The Fire Thieves www.chaosstudios.co.uk Author of 'The Fast Guide To Logic' and 'Making Music with E-Magic Logic Audio' www.pc-pubs.demon.co.uk > > > http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/01emagic.html > > unbelievable > > I just hope this has a positive effect. > > <<<Macintosh®-based products account for over 65 percent > of Emagic's current revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product > offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002.>>> > > This doesn't seem much positive for me. > Hopefully this is not true. > > -- > Arvid Solvang > http://www.viagram.no/

--- In logic-users@y..., "Arvid Solvang" <arvid@s...> wrote: > "Emagic's Windows-based product > offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002." > > This doesn't seem much positive for me. It matches with their "switch" campaign but it's probably doubtful that this is the right step to really make people switch to the Mac. But what I really meant with the positive statement is this: Apple likes to take control of almost everything what emagic does now, and they have absolutely no experience in the Pro Audio sector. although they have proven with FinalCutPro that they can deliver good work I'm still a bit concerned that they hose Logic. (uhoh, got real OffTopic now) Maybe some emagic employee care to comment? bye.

<<<Macintosh®-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's current revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002.>>> > > This doesn't seem much positive for me. > Hopefully this is not true. > > -- > Arvid Solvang > http://www.viagram.no/ If this really means Logic Audio for Windows is going to be discontinued.... I still have to update to Logic 5 but if this info is true, I won't. If Emagic thinks I'm going to buy an Expensive Low performance machine (Mac G4 )THEY ARE WRONG! What will happen is that a lot of Logic PC users will switch to: CUBASE SX Steinberg made a big step forward with the introduction of SX. - Offline rendering of plugins (VST) - Multiple outputs on VSTi. - A rocksolid audio engine. (no asio overload message here!) Emagic it's up to you. M aximum A rrogance C omputing - By a

> --- In logic-users@y..., "Arvid Solvang" <arvid@s...> wrote: > > > "Emagic's Windows-based product > > offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002." > > Yeah, and people keep telling about the good Apple and the evil M$... Actually, there is only $$$ which counts in both side and f**** cunsumers... We have to make a petition to push them to continue windows product, even if there will be few chances to manage... And I think I was ready to buy a Logic Control... El Koro, musical orphan...

> M aximum > A rrogance > C omputing > And you don't call it platform wars! You insult the whole mac community on this board! Shame on you! Lolo

--- In logic-users@y..., "elkoro10" <elkoro10@y...> wrote: > > --- In logic-users@y..., "Arvid Solvang" <arvid@s...> wrote: > > > > > "Emagic's Windows-based product > > > offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002." > > > > > > Yeah, and people keep telling about the good Apple and the evil M$... > > Actually, there is only $$$ which counts in both side and f**** > cunsumers... > > We have to make a petition to push them to continue windows product, > even if there will be few chances to manage... > > And I think I was ready to buy a Logic Control... > > El Koro, musical orphan... I am stunned! This is outrageous! I was just thinking it was time to upgrade my work and home copies of LAPW to version 5 - not any more. I'll stick with v4.5 as there's no point pouring my money into Apple when they're going to shaft us. They are making a bit of a habit of doing this sort of thing (e.g. Astarte, Spruce Technologies, both were PC DVD products) - Grrrrrrrr! I know people who have migrated from Mac to PC Logic because they say that they found the PC version more stable. Steinberg & Twelve Tone Systems must be throwing a champagne party...unfortunately for us, Logic is a better product, but if we are not going to have an option, I guess we have to look at the other options. Matt

>I am stunned! This is outrageous! I was just thinking it was time to I agree completely. I have a feeling this will blow up in Apple's face. I mean, Apple's survival depends on multimedia users, so it's in their interests to ensure that the best multimedia applications run on Mac. However, they've just made a bad name for themselves with exactly the kind of customer they would like to acquire. Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? Simon.

> If this really means Logic Audio for Windows is going to be > discontinued.... > > I still have to update to Logic 5 but if this info is true, I won't. Neither me :-( > What will happen is that a lot of Logic PC users will switch to: > CUBASE SX I will consider this option seriously. If Steinberg people are inteligent, they should offer us crossgrades paths: Logic to Cubase, EXS24 to Halion. But, wait ... no serious alternatives to SoundDiver on PC :-(( *************************************************** Carlos Ley Bosch teléfono: 928 458970 e-mail: cley@... Departamento de Ingenieria Telematica. Escuela Universitaria de Ingeniería Técnica de Telecomunicación. Edificio de Electrónica y Telecomunicación. 35017 Campus Universitario de Tafira. Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. ***************************************************

First thing I should say - I feel very sorry for Windows users. However, as a long term apple and emagic customer I too am very concerned. Do all emagic employees walk off into the sunset with fat pay-cheques leaving nothing to apple but the software as it stands currently? Apple now has the opportunity to use the software to drive hardware sales. Do we suddenly find that the "minimum" system is a dual 1ghz G4 with OSX? Not that I'd mind one of these systems - I simply can't afford one right now. Not happy.

>However, they've just >made a bad name for themselves with exactly the kind of customer they would >like to acquire. > >Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? Personally I don't think it matters. My guess is that they just did not want to develop for Intel at all and are willing to lose those customers, who, in any case will be reluctant to migrate to PPC machines. Someone sarcastically suggested that apple send them machines for free along with the crossgrade.... actually I think this is not a bad idea.

....emagic is not available by phone... At 12:33 01.07.02 +0100, you wrote: > > If this really means Logic Audio for Windows is going to be > > discontinued.... > > > > I still have to update to Logic 5 but if this info is true, I won't. > >Neither me :-( > > > What will happen is that a lot of Logic PC users will switch to: > > CUBASE SX > >I will consider this option seriously. If Steinberg people are inteligent, >they should offer >us crossgrades paths: Logic to Cubase, EXS24 to Halion. > >But, wait ... no serious alternatives to SoundDiver on PC :-(( > > > >*************************************************** >Carlos Ley Bosch >teléfono: 928 458970 >e-mail: cley@... >Departamento de Ingenieria Telematica. >Escuela Universitaria de Ingeniería Técnica de Telecomunicación. > >Edificio de Electrónica y Telecomunicación. >35017 Campus Universitario de Tafira. >Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. >*************************************************** > > > >UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >FAQ: http://www.belway.com/lug/ >OT: send all Off Topic replies to logic-ot@yahoogroups.com or privately. >SUBJECTS: include the right abbreviation (GEN/LAM/LAW/LC/OT) in all posts. >QUOTES: please trim your quotes as much as possible and put comments below. > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

And they call it technolgy with sole! Im hurt like some many others having recently invested almost $8000 AU to upgrade to a mobile solution based on a windows notebook and audio interface to use with Logic 5. What a waste ! What kind of sole would do this other than an Asshole :( LjGarrett

I am absolutely pissed off by the decision of Apple not to support the Windows platform ! I made major investment last year in buying the full range of Emagic Software and HW and a brand new "Pro" Windows PC to support it. I am left with the options: -Either to "freeze" my HW/SW for a few years and then switch to the (expensive)Apple platform (if it still exist by then). - Or to switch ASAP to Cubase (before I have invested too much know how into Logic...) If Steinberg comes with a good deal, I will probably go for the second route... We can still hope Apple changes their mind (quickly...) Marc for Azure Feast. (www.mp3.com/AzureFeast)

>What will happen is that a lot of Logic PC users will switch to: >CUBASE SX >Steinberg made a big step forward with the introduction of SX. >- Offline rendering of plugins (VST) >- Multiple outputs on VSTi. >- A rocksolid audio engine. (no asio overload message here!) And the new Cubase System Link CPU sharing technology looks pretty exciting too, just link up multiple computers for extra DSP power. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA

>First thing I should say - I feel very sorry for Windows users. However, as >a long term apple and emagic customer I too am very concerned. > >Do all emagic employees walk off into the sunset with fat pay-cheques >leaving nothing to apple but the software as it stands currently? This is certainly a concern - you can bet that the Emagic windows guys are walking straight over to Steinberg. >Apple now has the opportunity to use the software to drive hardware sales. >Do we suddenly find that the "minimum" system is a dual 1ghz G4 with OSX? >Not that I'd mind one of these systems - I simply can't afford one right >now. I don't see any big deal for now. What is most probably is that the first "Applemagic" version of Logic will be for OSX. It won't happen tomorrow in any case. But you will probably want a dual machine for OSX anyhow.......

--- In logic-users@y..., Lvee <lvee@p...> wrote: > > > M aximum > > A rrogance > > C omputing > > > > And you don't call it platform wars! You insult the whole mac community on > this board! Shame on you! Any company who would just abandon 1/2 their user base is insane.

>>>And they call it technolgy with sole! The sole of an old dirty boot that has been worn for 50 years by someone with atheletes foot.

Simon Pietroni wrote: > >I am stunned! This is outrageous! I was just thinking it was time to > > I agree completely. > I have a feeling this will blow up in Apple's face. I mean, Apple's > survival depends on multimedia users, so it's in their interests to ensure > that the best multimedia applications run on Mac. However, they've just > made a bad name for themselves with exactly the kind of customer they would > like to acquire. Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? You nuts. All Mac users are jumping up and down with glee right now. Apple's PR has always been based at making their 5% of the market happy, and they've made them VERY happy with this.

stephenbennettchaos wrote: >Strange. Why loose 45% of your market share overnight? > 35%. And the reality is you will probably see at least 5-10% of those switch to Mac, so they cut development costs 50%, only lose...say 25% of their market, infuse it with a ton of capital and support as well as access to all the top technoilogies on the Mac......a loss in the short term for sure, but the future remains to be seen. For all the PC users complaining about this....I feel your pain. Apple could settle a lawsuit for pennies, but it would be nice if they offered, say the latest version of Logic and $700 off a Mac or something like that. The flip side is, again to all you PC users, if Logic becomes absolute par with ProTools or even better, how many of you would honestly refuse to buy it because your nose is out of joint? It would still be gobs cheaper than a ProTools system. Take care Jesse Widener

autophonic2001 wrote: >If Emagic thinks I'm going to buy an Expensive Low performance >machine (Mac G4 )THEY ARE WRONG! > Wait until the new machines in 3 weeks. Also you can bet it will be severely optimised for the Mac now. Photoshop runs circles around a PC on a Mac. Yes it is optimsed heavily for Mac, but that is the point. These "low performance macs" are likely to get 50% more performance than any current PC when Apple is through with it, and ultimately that is what will bring a lot of PC guys over....the ones who always say it is the performance they are after. Not that I don't think this is all intense news for Mac and PC users, but things happen. Mac users have had to purchase PC's for years in order to run apps not available for the Mac. Get used to it. Yes it sucks, but it has often been greener on your side. We all have similar experiences with different apps. Take care Jesse Widener

Jo & Lj Garrett wrote: >What kind of sole would do this other than an Asshole :( > Bill Gates. Seriously, most of us Mac users sympathise with you PC folk. We have all been there.....again and again. This is the sort of thing we have complained about for years, and that is why we sympathise. I have yet to see one PC user who says "This sucks.....now I know how the Mac users feel." Take care Jesse Widener

In practise it means that Windows support has stopped today. Cubase, here I come.

> Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? An expression I learned from Americans is: "there's no such publicity as bad publicity". Wasn't JR the most popular character in Dallas? Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica LAW-user www.galbatron.com music: www.mp3.com/galbatron

>Cubase, here I come. You make Steinberg very happy. Have a nice day.

From: "Lvee" <lvee@...> > And you don't call it platform wars! You insult the whole mac community on > this board! Shame on you! > Lolo Hey, A month ago I posted a message about my LAW slowing down momentarily at random during playback a simple 7 track MIDI song. I got a response suggesting I should disable all antivirus, firewall and alike utilities that work in the background and could steal processor cycles. As much as disappointing this sounded to me coming from a very active logic-users group, I did that and since it did help I posted another messages where at the end I expressed my frustration stemming from a fact that long time ago I had a simple slow Mac LC III and a simple $50 General Music Sequencer and I never had a problem like that. It was a mistake... In a perfect world it would be understood that I meant a simple slow computer and not a simple yet so powerful Mac. The only response to that post was a 1 line ending with a wink ;-) and alluding to platform wars. How disappointing... Best Regards, Krzysztof

yea, and he was shot. twice. ds. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eppo Schaap" <eschaap@...> > > Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? > > An expression I learned from Americans is: "there's no such > publicity as bad publicity". > Wasn't JR the most popular character in Dallas?

--- In logic-users@y..., Josh Emmons <skia@s...> wrote: > Simon Pietroni wrote: > > >I am stunned! This is outrageous! I was just thinking it was time to > > > > I agree completely. > > I have a feeling this will blow up in Apple's face. I mean, Apple's > > survival depends on multimedia users, so it's in their interests to ensure > > that the best multimedia applications run on Mac. However, they've just > > made a bad name for themselves with exactly the kind of customer they would > > like to acquire. Surely this is terrible PR for Apple, or am I nuts? > > > You nuts. All Mac users are jumping up and down with glee right now. > Apple's PR has always been based at making their 5% of the market happy, > and they've made them VERY happy with this. Actually - if you've been using and following apple like I have for over ten years, you'd realise that any clued up mac users will be worrying whether or not mac will screw the program over, I hasten to remind you that there are lots of things in logic that break apple api programming protocols, screensets and window specific menus for starters, apple will have to knock this on the head or they set a precedent and make a mockery of their own programming guidelines.