Hello, I am new to Logic. I have two questions I need help with. The Mapped Instrument maps 79 keys from key number 36(C-1) to 115(G-9). I need to map 88 keys from key number as low as 21(A-1). Any suggestions? I also have six master keyboards all set (permanently) out channel one into the Midiman 8x8 Midi interface. They show up as port 1-6 on physical Output but they all are still on channel one. How do I get ports 1-6 to output channels 1-6 respectively. I suspect this was covered before but a search Did not yield any results. Your help will be appreciated. Kalamata Kid

Thoughts from the mind of kalamataguy, 02-06-2002: >The Mapped Instrument maps 79 keys from key number >36(C-1) to 115(G-9). I need to map 88 keys from key >number as low as 21(A-1). Any suggestions? Never noticed that the mapped instrument can't handle all 127 midi notes... Hm... If that is correct, and you need a once-only map (i.e. fixed, and not something you change everyday), you can use a transformer set to "use map" instead. Won't give you the note-naming a mapped instrument gives though... Double click a new transformer, and set it to: Conditions: Status = note cha = all -1- = all -2- = all Operations: Status: thru cha: thru -1-: Use Map -2-: thru In the map-part of the window, draw the mapping you require -- like "map 0 to 21", "map 1 to 47", etc, up to 127 if you wish (tedious job, but you only have to do it once). Cable the transormer to e.g. the external module that needs to be "mapped". Check the transormer's icon in the parameter pane, and assign a track to it. >I also have six master keyboards all set (permanently) >out channel one into the Midiman 8x8 >Midi interface. They show up as port 1-6 on physical >Output but they all are still on channel one. How >do I get ports 1-6 to output channels 1-6 respectively. Cable the 6 ports to 6 transformers. Set the transformers' Conditions part to "cha: fix 1" (.. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 respectively). Use the output of the transformers instead of the port outputs. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

> Thoughts from the mind of kalamataguy, 02-06-2002: > > >The Mapped Instrument maps 79 keys from key number > >36(C-1) to 115(G-9). I need to map 88 keys from key > >number as low as 21(A-1). Any suggestions? > Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: > Never noticed that the mapped instrument can't handle all 127 midi > notes... hehe. He didn't count them. C1 is #36 not C-1. There are 128 notes. [I am guilty of environmentalitits sometimes too :) Too quick to dream up the brilliant solution when there isn't really a problem after all, hehe] Dave Eager

--- In logic-users@y..., David Eager <beager@o...> wrote: > > Thoughts from the mind of kalamataguy, 02-06-2002: > > > > >The Mapped Instrument maps 79 keys from key number > > >36(C-1) to 115(G-9). I need to map 88 keys from key > > >number as low as 21(A-1). Any suggestions? > > > Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: > > Never noticed that the mapped instrument can't handle all 127 midi > > notes... > > hehe. He didn't count them. C1 is #36 not C-1. There are 128 notes. > > [I am guilty of environmentalitits sometimes too :) Too quick to dream > up the brilliant solution when there isn't really a problem after all, hehe] Hello Dave, There seem to be two numbering systems http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html where C1 is #24 and another map where C1 is note # 36. I mixed both systems and therefore got the wrong total. This was my error not the error of Hendrik Jan Veenstra. The Mapped instrument has the range C2 to G8 equals 80 keys. My old Cadenza sequencer had a easy mapping program and so is MS midi mapper. Why is it so difficult and limiting in Logic? I need to map A-1 to C7, or 88 keys. I can use the Transformer that Hendrik Jan Veenstra suggested, but as wonderful as the transformer is it is too complicated for me. Midi mapping is old and very simple technology, why complicate it? I was simple in Passport and Codenza. It is a simple table that one enters note numbers. As they say KIS, keep it simple. Retain the mapped instrument as it has its usefulness but also provide a simple 127 key midi mapper. Is that asking too much of emagic? KK

kalamataguy wrote: > I need to map A-1 to C7, or 88 keys. Retain the mapped instrument as > it has its usefulness but also provide a simple 127 key midi mapper. > Is that asking too much of emagic? I think you missed the point of my post. the Mapped Instrument has a range of 128 keys. [either C-1 to G9 or C-2 to G8, depending on whether you choose middle C as the yamaha convention or not in prefs. I think you confused C-1 for C1. C-1 is note #0. Dave Eager

Thoughts from the mind of kalamataguy, 04-06-2002: >There seem to be two numbering systems >http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html >where C1 is #24 and another map where C1 is note # 36. That's Yamaha versus the rest of the world, if I'm not mistaken :-). I didn't check the above link, but there could also be confusion between decimal and hexadecimal notation involved: 36 decimal = 24 hex. >I need to map A-1 to C7, or 88 keys. > >I can use the Transformer that >Hendrik Jan Veenstra suggested, but as >wonderful as the transformer is it is >too complicated for me. In that case there is no solution. It's that simple, I guess: either you use a solution you think is complicated, or you don't solve your problem. >It is a simple table that >one enters note numbers. >As they say KIS, keep it simple. >Retain the mapped instrument as it >has its usefulness but also >provide a simple 127 key midi mapper. >Is that asking too much of emagic? If it's indeed a matter of needing one single, unchangeable mapping, then the Mapping transformer I suggested earlier _is_ the perfect simple solution you're looking for, and is not complicated at all. Really, a transformer Map is exactly what you describe: a simple table in which you enter input/output numbers. And, once more, it's either that, or you don't get a solution for the problem... If you decide you want to go the Map route after all and have trouble setting it up or don't know how to cable things in your environment, feel free to mail me privately and I'll help you out. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

kalamataguy wrote: > > I need to map A-1 to C7, or 88 keys. Retain the mapped > > instrument as it has its usefulness but also provide a > > simple 127 key midi mapper. Is that asking too much of emagic? David Eager <beager@o...> wrote: > I think you missed the point of my post. the Mapped Instrument > has a range of 128 keys. [either C-1 to G9 or C-2 to G8, depending > on whether you choose middle C as the yamaha convention or not in > prefs. I think you confused C-1 for C1. C-1 is note #0. Hello David, I did certainly did miss the point of you previous post. Thanks to your persistence, I got it this time :) I assume the table in: >http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html C-1 to G9 as provided by the MIDI Mfg. Assoc. is typically most often used. The C-2 to G8 as set up in my Mapped instrument, I believe is the default is the Yamaha convention? Kalamata Kid

Hello Hendrik, Thank you foe being direct to the point. I will eventually learn the ins and out of the transormer, but it does seem to me it could have been made simpler or broken down to smaller components. Though as proof I have been wrong before very likely I am wrong about this. KK

kalamataguy wrote: > I assume the table in: > >http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html > C-1 to G9 as provided by the MIDI Mfg. Assoc. > is typically most often used. > The C-2 to G8 as set up in my Mapped instrument, > I believe is the default is the Yamaha convention? I think the Yamaha convention is the default, yes. I can't be sure because I always make sure that is checked in Display prefs anyway. And C-2 to G8 is the yamaha convention. Dave Eager

Thoughts from the mind of kalamataguy, 05-06-2002: >Thank you foe being direct to the point. Dutch habit. Hope you don't mind... >I will eventually learn the ins and out of >the transormer, but it does seem to me >it could have been made simpler or broken >down to smaller components. Mwah... yes... it could have been. There have been threads about that in the past -- about splitting the transformer in multiple, less generic objects and such. Not much chance though that Emagic will chnage this anytime soon. >Though as proof I have been wrong before very likely I am wrong about this. You might be... ;-) -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html