G4 (Yikes!) 400MHz 800 MB RAM Delta 66 card AMT8 separate SCSI HD (18GB) Hi All, A few of you have mentioned that 5.0 seems to use up more CPU with plugins than 4.8 did. Is that the concensus? Has anyone run a song which almost maxed out on plugs in the old version and tested it 5.0 to see if it would run? Thanks for the input, Thomas SnowySound http://geocities.com/couldbekindakool/

Thoughts from the mind of touchandgo_ca, 24-03-2002: >A few of you have mentioned that 5.0 seems to use up more CPU with >plugins than 4.8 did. Is that the concensus? > >Has anyone run a song which almost maxed out on plugs in the old >version and tested it 5.0 to see if it would run? Yes, v5 seems to be a bit more taxing on the CPU (that is, until the G4 optimised version arrives :). A song that ran at 90-95% in 4.8.1 maxed out my CPU in v5. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hi, I'm trying to get Logic 5 and the O1V's MMC control (play, rec, etc), working. Any ideas, 'cause it ain't working here. I've tracked control value changes via the environment monitor object (from the O1V's remote page 3), but the MMC page (remote pp. 2) produces nothing. I can't get logic to learn MMC either in the Key commands screen. Responding to MMC would be a default logic behaviour though wouldn't it? Cheers, steven

--- In logic-users@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > Yes, v5 seems to be a bit more taxing on the CPU (that is, until the > G4 optimised version arrives :). A song that ran at 90-95% in 4.8.1 > maxed out my CPU in v5. --- huh? v5 isnt g4 optimised? andy

[improper quoting fixed by admin] --- In logic-users@y..., "Qwli" <stevenLogic@e...> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to get Logic 5 and the O1V's MMC control (play, rec, etc), > working. > > This is broken, at least until we get the same or similar disk that they are shipping with 5.1, which fixes the problem. They obviously needed to address this or their own unit wouldn't work. Now Logic's controller works, but nobody else's. You and I and others who rely on one of the key features of the environment, will just have to be "patient", or so I'm told. I'm going to demand an extension on my dongle return while they figure this out, and anybody else with such a setup should do so as well, because until they repair this amd ship it we must use 4.8.1.

Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > Yes, v5 seems to be a bit more taxing on the CPU (that is, until the > G4 optimised version arrives :). When will this G4 optimised version be available?

>Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: >> Yes, v5 seems to be a bit more taxing on the CPU (that is, until the >> G4 optimised version arrives :). > >When will this G4 optimised version be available? > Q2 ? maybe next week...maybe at the end of June....anyways it will come when it's ready :-) Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band: Now solo works also: New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

Thoughts from the mind of highlandsource, 25-03-2002: >--- In logic-users@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: >> Yes, v5 seems to be a bit more taxing on the CPU (that is, until > > the G4 optimised version arrives :). A song that ran at 90-95% in > > 4.8.1 maxed out my CPU in v5. > >huh? v5 isnt g4 optimised? Not more than v4 was. A later release will contain a bunch of optimised plugins, which should give a massive increase in performance (if you use those plugins). -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

> >huh? v5 isnt g4 optimised? > > Not more than v4 was. HuH? v4 was altivec optimised and altivec is found only on G4 processors, so I guess v4 WAS G4 optimized. There's even a switch to turn on/off the optimization. David http://mp3.com/6ameternal

> HuH? v4 was altivec optimised and altivec is found only on G4 > processors, so I guess v4 WAS G4 optimized. There's even a > switch to turn on/off the optimization. v5 introduces optimized plugins. MMM -- Markus Fritze Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>; Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS

david@... writes: >HuH? v4 was altivec optimised and altivec is found only on G4 >processors, so I guess v4 WAS G4 optimized. There's even a >switch to turn on/off the optimization. Version 5 will ultimately have even more stuff optimized, like plugins. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants (Tastes awful, but it works) Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"

Thoughts from the mind of kickindaspeaker, 02-04-2002: > > >huh? v5 isnt g4 optimised? >> >> Not more than v4 was. > >HuH? v4 was altivec optimised and altivec is found only on G4 >processors, so I guess v4 WAS G4 optimized. There's even a >switch to turn on/off the optimization. I said that v5 was not *more* optimsed than v4 was. Which is true, as far as I know -- until we all get the DOT optimized plugins, that is. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hi all, Why there is some smiley icons in the DITL of Logic ?? ;o) Looks bizzar ! Igor

>I said that v5 was not *more* optimsed than v4 was. Which is >true, as far as I know -- until we all get the DOT optimized >plugins, that is. Does Your v 5.0 not have some DOT optinmised plugIns I have LAWP 5.0.0 and I have Dot optimised plugs, but generally I'm still getting Worse performance than i was with 4.8.1 MAAK

Hi, I have a bunch of long takes that had to be recorded in a less than favorable setting, and where the left and right channel are not well balanced. However, since the stereo base is rather wide on the recording, just normalizing each channel wouldn't create anything near a balanced stereo track. What I would like to do is to take the integral of both channels, and raise the gain on the weaker until the integral matches that of the hotter channel. Preferrably this would be done with some adaptive limiter in place to prevent potential clipping. Is there any way to do this in a more or less automated way? Ronald ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rcfa @ cubiculum . com | NeXT-mail welcome

Thoughts from the mind of maakbow, 02-04-2002: > >I said that v5 was not *more* optimsed than v4 was. Which is >>true, as far as I know -- until we all get the DOT optimized >>plugins, that is. > >Does Your v 5.0 not have some DOT optinmised plugIns I don't think so. At least not as far as I noticed... LAMP 5.0... >I have LAWP 5.0.0 and I have Dot optimised plugs, but generally I'm >still getting Worse performance than i was with 4.8.1 Well, the DOT optimisation obviously only has effect on the CPU usage of certain plugins, so "generally" there shouldn't be much difference between 4 and 5. And it's not amazing that 5 takes up more CPU cycles: by now it's become clear that each new version of whichever software package is bigger and slower than the previous one. As long as CPUs get faster at a higher rate than software gets slower, we should be fine... Still I sometimes long for the Atari-days, where the fastest text editor (name escapes me right now) was only 70 k (yes, that's no typo) and outperformed *every* editor I've ever seen since, on all counts. And that on a 8 MHz machine. Go figure... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

> Well, the DOT optimisation obviously only has effect on the CPU usage > of certain plugins, so "generally" there shouldn't be much difference > between 4 and 5. And it's not amazing that 5 takes up more CPU > cycles: by now it's become clear that each new version of whichever > software package is bigger and slower than the previous one. As long > as CPUs get faster at a higher rate than software gets slower, we > should be fine... 5.0 seems to be faster for me. I was using 4.7 before, and now using 5.0. The first tune I loaded used to have a lot of 'audio overs' when playing the song while and editing at the same time. It's now totally stable. (using AMD Athlon 700) -- Jan