Hi all, I was a longtime use of Logic Audio during it's 3.0 era. I switched to Cubase, and later to Nuendo, becuase it seem to have run better on my computer, which at the time was a Beige G3 333MHz. Now that LAMP 5.0 is out, I'm really intersted in going back to Emagic. I had a few questions though...... Here's my current setup: Power Macintosh G4 Dual 1GHz machine 1GB RAM 2x 80GB ATA/100 EIDE drives MOTU Fastlane USB(OMS) MOTU 1224/PCI-324 system (ASIO) Korg OASYS PCI (Just as a synth card using OMS, No ASIO used in my setup) Here are some problems I used to experience, which prompted me to jump ship. Do they still exist or have they been fixed in 5.0? 1. When starting on Bar 1 in a sequence, the first beat of bar 1 or the first beat of any looped sequence, would be cut off audibly. 2. No monitoring of effects while recording. I am aware of the Audio Input objects, but to my understanding you can only record those tracks from a realtime bounce. 3. No faster than realtime bounce. 4. ASIO System Overload errors when using Fat EQ 5. Poor VST Instrument funtionality (no multiple outputs and multiple MIDI channels per instrument. Here are some features that I've been really been using in Nuendo and have also seen in other software. Any of these features, in Logic Platinum 5.0, or plan to be? 1. Multiple Undo and Redo/Edit history and saved with song for easy recall 2. Processing VST and Logic Plug-ins to audio, Premiere/ Audiosuite plug-in style. 3. Offline Process history. Able to recall, modify, replace, and delete any file based process in audio such as effects, etc. 4. Easy Time Stretching/Compression, such as analysis of a loop's tempo, and either adjusting the loop to sequence tempo or adjusting sequence tempo to loop tempo. 5. Faster than realtime bounce I'm sure some of this is not in Logic Audio Platinum yet, but is it planned? Should I make the switch?? am I going to see a huge improvement from Logic 4.x? Any and all of your advice/FYI would be greatly appreciated.... Thanx..........

Thoughts from the mind of syrcle3, 24-03-2002: >Here are some problems I used to experience, which prompted >me to jump ship. Do they still exist or have they been fixed in >5.0? > >1. When starting on Bar 1 in a sequence, the first beat of bar 1 or >the first beat of any looped sequence, would be cut off audibly. Dunno, as I don't use lops. >2. No monitoring of effects while recording. I am aware of the >Audio Input objects, but to my understanding you can only record >those tracks from a realtime bounce. What's the big deal? It's just a different button -- bounce instead of record -- and it all takes the sme amount of time to get a recording done. >3. No faster than realtime bounce. Still there. >4. ASIO System Overload errors when using Fat EQ Don't use ASIO, so can't comment >5. Poor VST Instrument funtionality (no multiple outputs and >multiple MIDI channels per instrument. Both planned for one of the next updates -- soon to come (somewhere this year). A new class of audio objects (AUX) is introduced to manage this. >1. Multiple Undo and Redo/Edit history and saved with song for >easy recall Due out any day now. LA5.1 is said to have this. >2. Processing VST and Logic Plug-ins to audio, Premiere/ >Audiosuite plug-in style. ?? Don't know what you mean... >3. Offline Process history. Able to recall, modify, replace, and >delete any file based process in audio such as effects, etc. You mean a kind of multi-undo for audio? Destructive editing of audio can be undone in 1 step only. Don't know if this will ever be multi-undoable. >4. Easy Time Stretching/Compression, such as analysis of a >loop's tempo, and either adjusting the loop to sequence tempo >or adjusting sequence tempo to loop tempo. Adjust tempo to object length is already there for a long time ('adjust tempo to object' or whatever it's called). The other way around is not possible afaik, at least not in a "direct from the arrange page" way. You can use the Time/Pitch machine for that though, although I remember people complaining that it doesn't work properly. Oh well, lots of people complain about things they claim aren't there, while reading the manual reveals otherwise, so I don't know how much thruth there is to it :-). As I said: I don't use loops. >5. Faster than realtime bounce Nope, and notlikely to appear anytime soon. >Should I make the switch?? Dumb question to ask in a Logic forum :-). >am I going to see a huge improvement from Logic 4.x? Yes. LA5 alreadyis a big improvement over 4.x, and there are quite a few featuires announced for upcoming (probably free) sub-releases. Doesn't the Emagic website say anything about current & upcoming features? -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: >Thoughts from the mind of syrcle3, 24-03-2002: >>4. ASIO System Overload errors when using Fat EQ >Don't use ASIO, so can't comment This is corrected in 5.0 with Motu 324 driver Best -- Cyril Blanc ______________________________________________________ mailto:blanc.cyril@... 92350 Plessis Robinson France The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh.

At 12:19 +0100 020324, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: > >5. Faster than realtime bounce > >Nope, and not likely to appear anytime soon. Where did you get that info ? What about SLOWER than realime bounce ;-) ? Thanks

>>4. Easy Time Stretching/Compression, such as analysis of a >>loop's tempo, and either adjusting the loop to sequence >>tempo >>or adjusting sequence tempo to loop tempo. >Adjust tempo to object length is already there for a long time >('adjust tempo to object' or whatever it's called). The other way >around is not possible afaik You can do it, I use it all the time. Set your song tempo first. Then open your audio loop in the sample editor. Use the time machine to adjust the length of your loop to the exact number of bar/beats that you want. Sometimes it won't reach the exact number you specified the first time. If that's the case, you usually get a number of bar/beats very close. Redo the same operation once and that should do it. Example: You have an audio loop and want to time stretch it so it's exactly 4 bars in a tempo of 120. Set your tempo at 120. Then open the sample editor, open the time machine, you'll have the length of the loop say: Original: 6 0 2 32 Destination: 6 0 2 32 Double click the destination field and enter 4 0 0 0, click "process and paste". If you are lucky you should get a 4 bars loop. If you are unlucky you might end up with a loop that is something like 3 3 3 237, or 4 0 0 5. Just put 4 0 0 0 in the destination again, and process again. David http://mp3.com/6ameternal

Thoughts from the mind of Vincent Kenis, 24-03-2002: >At 12:19 +0100 020324, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: >> >5. Faster than realtime bounce >> >>Nope, and not likely to appear anytime soon. > >Where did you get that info ? Religiously reading the LUG. >What about SLOWER than realime bounce ;-) ? Ditto. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html