A while back I made a mockup mixer GUI out of the basic elements of the audio objects we already have just to seen how easy it would be to make it fit on the screen better. Without trying very hard I could make 28 fit accross a 6.2cm section of my 21inch monitor and still have a way show pop up buttons for five effects and five sends as well as all the other currently accessable parameters on each object (except EQs). Then being the obnoxious obsessive maniac I am I sent it to e-magic. They never commented. It would not have been hard to make them even more efficient but I am only willing to wast so much time. If anyone is interested how a logic mixer might look in an alternate universe where e-magic decided to stop wasting screen space. I put a link to the graphic on my page. BTW the midi quicktime movie you hear when my page boots sounds nothing like my band but I had fun making it. Quicktime actually has a lot more potential than I think most people are getting out of it. But then again what doesn't? Dennis Gunn Mightyjohn@... check out MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head" info at http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html