Peter, Interesting points ,I would like to trade more information with you on this, simply because the fact that it could do pro-tools was one of my main purchasing points. Although I have worked with PT, but I do not own it yet, I have no way of coming by what the issues are. I would like to compile these though, and get them to the developers at CMAutomation. Also I will give you a contact name that may be able to do something about the distribution in UK. I do know that they are coming out with a newer version in Jan I think, that will be more than 799.00 so( Like 1000.00) it may be that they are upgrading to touch sensitive faders and building in control for that. Who knows. Rae -----Original Message----- From: Peter Lemer [mailto:Peter@...] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 4:23 PM To: logic-users@onelist.com Subject: [LUG] Re: RE: Mackie HUI Support[GET THE MOTORMIX From: Peter Lemer <Peter@...> Here is a reply to me from my ProTools guru re MotorMix: I'm looking after a Motormix installation for a customer in London (only the 2nd in the UK I believe) and I'm also keeping an eye on the UK distribution situation. There is a big problem with Motormix that you wouldn't necessarily understand unless you had used a system like Pro Control or HUI. Motormix doesn't have touch-sensitive faders and this means that the system only knows you are over-ridding the programmed fader moves while you are actually moving the fader. For example, if the fader automataion called for a smooth fade from unity to -100 and then back again, you might put Pro Tools in Auto Touch mode and stop the fader at -60. You would then hold it there for a while and let go later so that Pro Tools would glide back to unity by itself. If you do this on Motormix, the motors kick at you like crazy and the resulting automation on screen is a series of jagged lines where the motor has been kicking in and out trying to follow the automation. This doesn't happen on HUI or Pro Control because the fader tops sense your finger and (1) disconnect the motor and (2) tell Pro Tools you're moving the fader. The Motormix manual says that you can cut the motors by holding down SHIFT while you move but apart from tying up one of your fingers to do this, it also doesn't seem to work, at least on the unit we tried. At least a part of this problem may well have to do with the fact that Pro Tools is using a HUI profile (there's isn't one for Motormix yet(?)) and perhaps is expecting a 'touched' signal that isn't there. However, it seems to me that you'll never be able to use Auto Touch effectively without touch sensitive faders. The limitation is sort of this: you can't use Auto Touch mode effectively, it has to be Auto Latch - and if do this it has to be something that starts with a physical movement of the fader sufficiently large to trigger Motormix's sensors. I have only had an afternoon to play with it so far and no doubt there are other good and bad things to report. The key thing is that this is a VERY cheap system and from that point of view these problems might be acceptable: I also noticed that when you set all the faders in Pro Tools to unity the faders on Motormix aren't quite in line with one another and also that you can move the pan and fader knobs a surprisingly large amount without the software noticing you've done anything. This seems to indicate rather coarse resolution on the encoders.