I'm thinking of switching over from PC to MAC. Has anyone using Logic done this? Does it run better or worse on the MAC platform? Also, I have an RME Hamerfall card, and with an EPROM update, I can use it on a MAC. Does anyone use this card on the MAC? Thanks, Ken

>I'm thinking of switching over from PC to MAC. Has anyone using Logic >done this? Does it run better or worse on the MAC platform? Also, I >have an RME Hamerfall card, and with an EPROM update, I can use it on >a MAC. Does anyone use this card on the MAC? > I use Mac and Logic and I'm happy with the combination. However, I think you should have good reasons to jump to a different platform alltogether. You're propably already familiar with PC system so it means getting to know a whole new system..also one that is about to go thru a complete surgery (from OS 9 to OS X which is Unix based). I see some people here from time to time saying that they will jump the ship. If one really is so desperate that you can't make Logic work on your chosen platform (and though Logic has been easier on Macs, the PCs are getting better in this aspect all the time) then maybe BUT it is a big jump and certainly not a thing that guarantees instant happiness. I would not do it..too much hassle + having to buy the software on this different platform. Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band: Now solo works also: New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

Hi, not to take a dig at any Mac users but that is a very refreshing attitude - I can't stand platform wars, it's just a machine, no-one cares whether the finished product was made with Mac, PC or a toaster. As for the platform swap? Whew! I use Logic on PC - and I'm extremely happy. I also own a Mac (Imac) which I really love but I'm just more familiar with Windows and have no reason to prefer one over the other. If the roles were reversed I'd be just as happy. IMO the most important issue when it comes to running Logic (or any audio app) on PC is hardware(for ex' I had an EMU E-card for a while - worked OK wih SF and Acid but Logic, forget it they simply weren't compatible). In most of the cases where I've helped people who were experiencing problems this has been the case (poor hardware)- the beauty of Mac is that there are only a few specific models to choose from - with PC there are a squillion possible combinations to choose from and many of them involve cheap, nasty components. Many people go the PC route because they think it is cheaper - first (BIG) mistake. Have a look at www.rme-audio.com if you were to build one of their reference machines and follow the "simple" (all this pulling apart the Win Os to do this and that tweak is not necessary with a good machine - I know, I'm using Logic with USB devices and a Hammerfall at 3ms latency with rock solid stability) Win Os setup tips you would have a very stable, high performance, low latency machine for Logic. Regards Geoff Kakoschke. > I use Mac and Logic and I'm happy with the combination. However, I > think you should have good reasons to jump to a different platform > alltogether. You're propably already familiar with PC system so it > means getting to know a whole new system..also one that is about to > go thru a complete surgery (from OS 9 to OS X which is Unix based). I > see some people here from time to time saying that they will jump the > ship. > If one really is so desperate that you can't make Logic work on your > chosen platform (and though Logic has been easier on Macs, the PCs > are getting better in this aspect all the time) then maybe BUT it is > a big jump and certainly not a thing that guarantees instant > happiness. I would not do it..too much hassle + having to buy the > software on this different platform. > > Cheers

--- In logic-users@y..., Jorma Pennanen <jorma.pennanen@p...> wrote: > >I'm thinking of switching over from PC to MAC. Has anyone using Logic > >done this? Does it run better or worse on the MAC platform? Also, I > >have an RME Hamerfall card, and with an EPROM update, I can use it on > >a MAC. Does anyone use this card on the MAC? > > > > I use Mac and Logic and I'm happy with the combination. However, I > think you should have good reasons to jump to a different platform > alltogether. You're propably already familiar with PC system so it > means getting to know a whole new system..also one that is about to > go thru a complete surgery (from OS 9 to OS X which is Unix based). I > see some people here from time to time saying that they will jump the > ship. > If one really is so desperate that you can't make Logic work on your > chosen platform (and though Logic has been easier on Macs, the PCs > are getting better in this aspect all the time) then maybe BUT it is > a big jump and certainly not a thing that guarantees instant > happiness. I would not do it..too much hassle + having to buy the > software on this different platform. > > Cheers > -- > Check out the web page for my band: > Now solo works also: > New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

At 12:47 AM 08/02/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I'm thinking of switching over from PC to MAC. Has anyone using Logic >done this? Does it run better or worse on the MAC platform? I made the switch a year ago when the time had come to go to two computers, and although version 4 virtually eliminated the differences between the Mac and Windows versions, I definitely feel Logic is more at home on the Mac. I still prefer SAWStudio on the PC for multitrack audio, but for MIDI and auxiliary audio work, LAMP is happening. Particularly if you're using EXS24, you'll appreciate the superior memory handling of the Mac OS. I also love the extra keyboard options, which suit Logic well. As a person who knows his way around Windows and PC hardware pretty well, I can tell you that, although Mac is by no means perfect, it is generally less troublesome. Sean McCoy

>I made the switch a year ago when the time had come to go to two computers, >and although version 4 virtually eliminated the differences between the Mac >and Windows versions, I definitely feel Logic is more at home on the >Mac. I still prefer SAWStudio on the PC for multitrack audio, but for MIDI >and auxiliary audio work, LAMP is happening. Particularly if you're using >EXS24, you'll appreciate the superior memory handling of the Mac OS. I also >love the extra keyboard options, which suit Logic well. As a person who >knows his way around Windows and PC hardware pretty well, I can tell you >that, although Mac is by no means perfect, it is generally less troublesome. What are the "extra keyboard options"? Andy Voelkel 310 399 2289 thedroid@...

thedroid@... wrote: > What are the "extra keyboard options"? I'm guessing the Mac's control, option and command buttons as opposed to the PC's control and alt buttons allowing for more key commands and such? Take care Jesse Widener

Thanks for all the opinions, The main reason I am thinking of switching to a Mac is because I work on a Mac all day long at my job. Although Finale, Quark, Photoshop, etc.. all are dual-platform, they still operate very differently on each platform due to differences in key commands and look and feel. I am very happy with my current PC machine which is built on an ASUS A7M 266 MB, but I just feel I work a lot faster and more efficiently on a MAC. (mainly due to the fact that I spend so much time on it) Anyways, someone had mentioned that I would have to purchase the crossgrade of Logic... is this true even though I own the PC version? isn't it possible just to switch dongles and manuals with emagic? Thanks, Ken

> Från: ken_mattis@... [mailto:ken_mattis@...] > Anyways, someone had mentioned that I would have to purchase the > crossgrade of Logic... is this true even though I own the PC version? > isn't it possible just to switch dongles and manuals with emagic? > > Thanks, > > Ken Yes, Ken. You will have to pay for switching the dongle and getting a new manual. The Emagic policy on PC/Mac versions of Logic is to sell them separately as two different software packages. I hade to pay a crossgrade fee and trade in my Mac dongle for the PC version when upgrading my studio from Mac68k/Nubus/AudioMedia to PC/AW8. I agree that Logic Mac has some nice "extra" stuff - especially the many colours available for arrange regions IMO. But OTOH it's cool to upgrade CPU speed without having to buy a completely new machine :)) Regards Per Boysen

Just as one "My computer's better than yours" thread gets shut down or sent to the off topic list, a thread even more rediculous starts up. Is this post below a thinly veiled attempt to restart a platform war? GO TO http://www.digitalnaturalsound.com/logic_dsp/index.shtml It should answer most of your questions -- In logic-users@y..., ken_mattis@h... wrote: > I'm thinking of switching over from PC to MAC. Has anyone using Logic > done this? Does it run better or worse on the MAC platform? Also, I > have an RME Hamerfall card, and with an EPROM update, I can use it on > a MAC. Does anyone use this card on the MAC? > > Thanks, > > Ken

You missed a key. How does "control, option, command" (mac)get you more options than "control, alt, shift"(win)???? > I'm guessing the Mac's control, option and command buttons as opposed to the > PC's control and alt buttons allowing for more key commands and such?

> Just as one "My computer's better than yours" thread gets shut down > or sent to the off topic list, a thread even more rediculous starts > up. > Is this post below a thinly veiled attempt to restart a platform war? I think this person was just looking for some answers before taking a big decision. I personally fail to see what's "rediculous" about it. Changing platforms is a big step for most people and before doing so, it's important to be well-informed imo, so I don't see a problem. > GO TO http://www.digitalnaturalsound.com/logic_dsp/index.shtml > It should answer most of your questions It gives you results of a standardized test. And although it's very useful, it definitely doesn't answer practical questions imo. I agree with you that it's a site that one should definitely visit before changing to another computer system! It definitely gives you an idea of the performance you can expect. Other sites that one could check out for more system info, are the ones in the footer of this mail, as well as the www.rme-audio.com site. Please no flames to this (or the original) message. I think it's been addressed. Only constructive mails please. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

At 01:43 PM 08/02/2001 -0700, you wrote: >thedroid@... wrote: > > > What are the "extra keyboard options"? > >I'm guessing the Mac's control, option and command buttons as opposed to the >PC's control and alt buttons allowing for more key commands and such? Correct.

Per wrote: > >I agree that Logic Mac has some nice "extra" stuff - especially the many >colours available for arrange regions IMO. But OTOH it's cool to upgrade CPU >speed without having to buy a completely new machine :)) > Just to straighten the recors - it is possible to upgrade CPU on Macs too. On the general, I feel PCs are more upgradable than Macs at least in some ways :-) BUT CPUs can be upgarded. I am a living example if this :-) Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band: Now solo works also: New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

> > Per wrote: > > > > >I agree that Logic Mac has some nice "extra" stuff - especially the many > >colours available for arrange regions IMO. But OTOH it's cool to > upgrade CPU > >speed without having to buy a completely new machine :)) > > > Från: Jorma Pennanen [mailto:jorma.pennanen@...] > Just to straighten the recors - it is possible to upgrade CPU on Macs too. > On the general, I feel PCs are more upgradable than Macs at least in > some ways :-) > BUT CPUs can be upgarded. I am a living example if this :-) > > Cheers Yes, you're perfectly right! Myself I got a G3 upgrade of my old PowerBook 1400. I was a bit unclear in my previous post - I meant that I like how easy you can go to a store and buy a faster processor, motherboard - or whatever - for the PC. For me it's rather risky working only with the Macs (mine are quite old) because the lack of spare parts. Once I had to wait for more than a month to get a new component that hade broke down - couldn't work on that Mac for that period. For the PCs I sometimes "buy two" components and keep one for fast replacement, so there are never any down periods (not the more expensive parts, of course). But actually my post was about the nice fact that you get more colours for Logic on the Mac version (do someone know why? Is there a possibility to get the same on Logic PC?). Then I just threw in "what think is nice with PC in general" to give a broader picture - since I work with both platforms and understand that not everyone on this list does. It can never hurt to also know a bit about life on the other side :) Kindly per

Mac's have shift too. They also have only one mouse button that works in logic. --- In logic-users@y..., maakbow@h... wrote: > You missed a key. > How does "control, option, command" (mac)get you more options > than "control, alt, shift"(win)???? > > > I'm guessing the Mac's control, option and command buttons as > opposed to the > > PC's control and alt buttons allowing for more key commands and > such?