Whoa - I didn't even realize that they were talking about the manual! Tutorial and manual are two different things to me, especially when I've heard talk of a tutorial that was once on the install CD (but now appears to be gone, at least on my LAWP CD). Is this, in fact, the long-awaited v4.0 printed manual, and if so is the 79DM price correct? What does that convert to in US dollars? I would (very grudgingly) pay shipping to receive the manual, but that's about it. And I know it can't possibly cost more than about $10 to ship the manual UPS ground in the US (Emagic should ship a skidload to their US office - at their expense, of course - rather than shipping each manual directly to each US consumer from Germany). Just my .02 on the manual thing, if this is indeed the manual thing! Brian > -----Original Message----- > Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? I'm using Logic for years > now and I love the program. Then there's the LAMP 4 release, without a > proper manual. The upgrade wasn't cheap, although you get a lot for the > money. But the manual is a part of the package I buy. So, yes, I > understand > it's a lot of work and I can understand the manual was delayed, but why > should I pay so much money for a manual? At least offer it for little > money, > then I have no problem. But 79 DM is too much.Remco