I too have upgraded to Acid 3 and love it.I took a song I had recorded in logic and imported the tracks into Acid so I could add drum fills etc.I noticed that the song sounded better in Acid.I wasn't using any efx just vol and pan and Acid sounded better than the same song with similar settings in Logic.For example a distorted rhy gtr sounded hasher in the upper mids in Logic.And the overall sense of space between instruments seemed wider in Acid.Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not trying to bash Logic,I've used it for 3 1/2 yrs.I'm just wondering if maybe Acid has a higher reolution mixer or something. P.S.-- Also anyone loking for great rock drum loops should check out Siggi Baldursson Drum Sugar disc

Hi, This is very interesting! Could it be that Acid 3.0 uses some inbuilt compression or dithering on the output? I'm just thinking about my own way of using Logic on the PC; I usually put a multi band compressor, a Waves RCL compressor and a L1-Ultramaximizer (dithering) on the stereo output for my monitoring while working on songs in Logic. This makes Logic sound way better!!! (note that I haven't upgraded my Acid yet - so these are simply speculations from my side) Regards Per Boysen > Från: jfjr1@... > Ämne: [LUG] Re: OT? Acid(Does Acid sound better than Logic?) > > I too have upgraded to Acid 3 and love it.I took a song I had > recorded in logic and imported the tracks into Acid so I could add > drum fills etc.I noticed that the song sounded better in Acid.I > wasn't using any efx just vol and pan and Acid sounded better than > the same song with similar settings in Logic.For example a distorted > rhy gtr sounded hasher in the upper mids in Logic.And the overall > sense of space between instruments seemed wider in Acid.Has anyone > else noticed this? > I'm not trying to bash Logic,I've used it for 3 1/2 yrs.I'm just > wondering if maybe Acid has a higher reolution mixer or something. > > P.S.-- Also anyone loking for great rock drum loops should check out > Siggi Baldursson Drum Sugar disc

--- In logic-users@y..., Per Boysen <per@b...> wrote: I usually put a multi band compressor, a Waves RCL > compressor and a L1-Ultramaximizer (dithering) on the stereo output for my > monitoring while working on songs in Logic. This makes Logic sound way > better!!! This is very interesting. Do you mix down the final version with the compressor inline as well? If so, what do you burn down to, DAT, CD? I'd be interested to find out more about your arrangement. For me, I monitor through my Spirit 328, nothing on the output pair, and it sounds great. I have ACID 2.0, but haven't tried to throw any of my tunes in there, I just make the beats in there...now you guys are making me think about upgrading to 3.0!!! They always have made a killer product.. The L1, that's hardware, right? Vintage, right? Thanks for your time! Play on the Upbeat!

> The L1, that's hardware, right? Vintage, right? Waves plugin! http://www.waves.com. -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Hi Serafim, To answer your questions; Sometimes I do mix down the final version with the Waves Renaissance compression plug-in, and sometimes not. Depends on what it does to the sound. Usually I like the "colouring" of the sound that comes from that compressor - I'm not using it as much for compression as for the colouring of the general sound. Sometimes I also put a multi band compressor on the stereo out. But that too depends on what is being mixed from the separate tracks. According to my experience so far it is usually better to arrange, voice and EQ the tracks separately before mixing them on the stereo out. But sometimes frequencies crash too much (a little crashing can be a good thing in some tunes, though) and I find it necessary to use a multi band compressor on the stereo bus. One use for a multi band comp could be to create that "low n bassy rumble" that give you a feeling of a "big sound". Then I may want all bass frequencies (i.e. kick + bass line) to mash and duck each other (can also be achieved by bussing kick and bass through a compressor on a buss). Usually I find most mixes sound cleaner when multi band compressed. It's not for maximizing the level, just to give presence. (I do not have any third party plug-ins that are side chainable. Guess that would change my ways a bit...) And for the third "stereo bus plug-in", the L1-Ultramaximizer. It's some kind of dithering/compression thing that gives a clearer and more natural sound, IMO. Noise shaping... Bottom line: All this stuff on the stereo bus is just a way to get as near the finished - "mastered" - sound as possible while recording, programming and arranging. The theory is to use all those mastering plug-ins right from the beginning to hear the mix right all the way - while you are working on EQ and automating levels etc on separate tracks. I usually bounce to disc as 16 bit interleaved stereo that are later burned to CDR. But sometimes CPU power is getting short at the end of a mix session (working on 726 mHz PC CPU). My workaround in that situation is to lift off those "mastering plug-ins" and bounce to disc as a 24 bit file. Then I open a new Logic document, import that 24 bit file, give it the mastering treatment (with the above mentioned plug-ins) and finally bounce to disc at 16 bits for CDR burning. (BTW I picked up a great tip from Barb here, which is to rip a wave from a reference CD an put on a separate track for A/B cross checking. But if you do this you cannot have that mastering plug-ins on the stereo out (cause then they would affect the ref CD as well), you have to put them on the channel playing that 24 bit bounced file) BUT - if the final mix is going to be sent to a pro mastering house I never use any of these "mastering plugs". I just transfer it digitally to DAT directly from the sound cards (AW8) digital output. But on my recent PC rig I have not done this yet (only at "big" tape based studios). Well, I tried to keep this short... it is a bit complicated. Kindly Per Boysen > --- In logic-users@y..., Per Boysen <per@b...> wrote: > I usually put a multi band compressor, a Waves RCL > > compressor and a L1-Ultramaximizer (dithering) on the stereo output > for my > > monitoring while working on songs in Logic. This makes Logic sound > way > > better!!! > > This is very interesting. Do you mix down the final version with the > compressor inline as well? If so, what do you burn down to, DAT, CD? > > I'd be interested to find out more about your arrangement. For me, I > monitor through my Spirit 328, nothing on the output pair, and it > sounds great. > > I have ACID 2.0, but haven't tried to throw any of my tunes in there, > I just make the beats in there...now you guys are making me think > about upgrading to 3.0!!! They always have made a killer product.. > > The L1, that's hardware, right? Vintage, right? > > Thanks for your time! > > Play on the Upbeat!

--- In logic-users@y..., "Per Boysen" <per@b...> wrote: >My workaround in that situation is to lift off >those "mastering plug-ins" and bounce to disc as a 24 bit file. Then >I open a new Logic document, import that 24 bit file, give it the >mastering treatment (with the above mentioned plug-ins) and finally >bounce to disc at 16 bits for CDR burning. > BUT - if the final mix is going to be sent to a pro mastering house >I never use any of these "mastering plugs". I just transfer it >digitally to DAT directly from the sound cards (AW8) digital output. great stuff, thanks much for this reply....I'd thought about bumping down a mix as a 24 bit stereo file, throwing it back in Logic, and putting some finishing touches on it before bouncing it down. It's equally been my experience to leave compression and nearly all processing off of the stereo master mix, if going to a mastering house. Their gear is just too much better than what I have! That's why I pay them the $$$$!! Thanks again for filling me in!! Play on the Upbeat!

Thats really wierd, cause i hate the sound of acid ( i own acid 2 though and have not heard acid 3 yet) could be just me, but i find that the mixing algorythm in acid is not clear, everything sounds muffled. Vegas sounds better to my ears, and nuendo and sawPro sound the clearest when your dealing with 24+ tracks. regards, teardropb icq 55962348 irc #reaktor on dalnet --- jfjr1@... wrote: > I too have upgraded to Acid 3 and love it.I took a > song I had > recorded in logic and imported the tracks into Acid > so I could add > drum fills etc.I noticed that the song sounded > better in Acid.I > wasn't using any efx just vol and pan and Acid > sounded better than > the same song with similar settings in Logic.For > example a distorted > rhy gtr sounded hasher in the upper mids in > Logic.And the overall > sense of space between instruments seemed wider in > Acid.Has anyone > else noticed this? > I'm not trying to bash Logic,I've used it for 3 > 1/2 yrs.I'm just > wondering if maybe Acid has a higher reolution mixer > or something. > > P.S.-- Also anyone loking for great rock drum loops > should check out > Siggi Baldursson Drum Sugar disc > > > > > Unsubscribe: mail to > logic-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines must contain: > [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/