Dear LUGgers, To all of you experienced LA/Cubase users, this may be a somewhat inane question, but I can't figure out how to use the VST Plug-ins with my LAMP 4.02. The VST Plug-in folder was always in the Logic folder, with 5 different plug-ins inside, so I always assumed that I was using it when I use real-time effects with the audio tracks (or in sampler edit window). When I recently downloaded some freeware VST Plug-ins and copied them into the Logic/VST folder, I saw nothing different anywhere. Upon closer examination, I realized that I never saw any of the plug-ins that were always in the folder when I'm running Logic. Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. JH

Hi Jeehun >I can't figure out how to use the VST Plug-ins >with my LAMP 4.02. The folder of the plugins must be named VstPlugIns exactly. >I always assumed that I was using it when I use >real-time effects with the audio tracks >(or in sampler edit window) Since VST plugs are realtime fx, they not available at all in the sample editor, only Premiere and Audiosuite, which in turn are destructive (ie. non realtime and actually altering the audio files themselves). Christian

Christian, Thanks for the info. My folder name IS exactly VstPlugIns (I haven't changed it since installing LA), but both 'Premiere' and 'Audiosuite' menus just say 'no plug-ins available' when I look inside. I'm assuming that both of those plug-ins require either separate hardware or software that I need to buy... If that's the case, does it mean that unless I get either of those, I won't be able to use the VST Plug-Ins that came with LAP? Sorry if this is a stupid question. I don't know too much about VST & Cubase (as it seems to be the sequencer that created VST?). Further clarification would be much appreciated. JH > From: Christian Obermaier <ChristianObermaier@c...> > > Hi Jeehun > >>I can't figure out how to use the VST Plug-ins >>with my LAMP 4.02. > > The folder of the plugins must be named VstPlugIns exactly. > >>I always assumed that I was using it when I use >>real-time effects with the audio tracks >>(or in sampler edit window) > > Since VST plugs are realtime fx, they not available at all in the sample > editor, only Premiere and Audiosuite, which in turn are destructive (ie. > non realtime and actually altering the audio files themselves).

Jeehun Hwang wrote: > Thanks for the info. My folder name IS exactly VstPlugIns (I haven't > changed it since installing LA), but both 'Premiere' and 'Audiosuite' menus > just say 'no plug-ins available' when I look inside. These are different plug-in formats totally unrelated to VST. They are non-realtime/destructive, in that they process the original file as fast as your computer can handle. The change to the file is permanent, once it is saved. For Premiere format plug-ins you need a folder called <Premiere Plug-Ins>. I think the folder needs to be in Logic's folder. Unlike VST, there aren't any shareware Premiere plugs that I'm aware of. But if you own a Waves bundle you can put the Waveshell-P in your Premiere plugs folder and have the ability to use them that way as well as VST. Audiosuite format is Pro Tools' non-realtime/destructive plug-in format (similar to Premiere in operation). It can only be used if you are running DAE (Pro Tools' audio engine). Again, no shareware plugs that I'm aware of. Hope this helped more than confused... Yarrow

Hi Jeehun >My folder name IS exactly VstPlugIns ok >but both 'Premiere' and 'Audiosuite' menus >just say 'no plug-ins available' when I look inside. Sure, as you probably don't have any. >I'm assuming that both of those plug-ins require >either separate hardware or software that I need >to buy Yes. The actual premiere or audiosuite plugins, that is. >If that's the case, does it mean that unless I get >either of those, I won't be able to use the VST Plug-Ins >that came with LAP? No. We are dealing with four different types of native processed plugins here. Type 1. VST The VST-plugin standard was invented by Steinberg, whereby VST is an acronym (whether it stands for Virtual Studio Technology or Very Strange Timing is still unclear). Logic on Mac is able to handle that sort of plugins quite nicely. Logic on Windows is not, apparently because Emagic has no license from Steinberg to implement a VST-host in LAW. The Amulet VST adapter seems to overcome this to a degree. I have no idea, ask the pc guys. On the mac you put them into the VstPlugIns folder which has to be inside logic's program folder, and from there on you can access them as *nondestructive realtime fx* from every audio fader's insert points. There are a lot of good and a lot of bad or just boring ones (why would you want to install a 6db HiPass when the program itself has loads of them already) around. Tons of them free or as shareware on the net. Type 2. Premiere This is a standard defined by Adobe who first implemented it in their video editing program Premiere and differs quite a bit from VST. -It is destructive. This means that any settings you make will be calculated into the actual audiofile and stay there forever. Good - only processed once, cpu free thereafter, Bad - no return (besides the immediate Undo), what if settings turn out be too extreme three days later ? -You can only hear a more or less short preview to test settings, and this preview is solo, without context. -The preview is 'hardpatched' thru the Soundmanager i.e.. a completely different output. Surely doesn't make things easier (you can reroute the Soundmanager to f.ex. the AW8 though). Why bother Premiere then ? -Because certain plugs (Ionizer comes to mind) don't exist at all as VST because they need a significant time to analyze the material. In other words are designed to be offline processes. -Because you will want to cancel some amplifier hum in a recording only once in a destructive process up front and not waste precious cpu power later on. Premiere plugins are put into the Premiere Plug-Ins (correct naming is again crucial) folder which has to be inside logic's program folder, and from there on you can access them as *destructive offline fx* from the sample editor. Type 3. Audiosuite. Basically the same as Premiere, besides that it is designed to run with digidesign hardware and DAE. Type 4. Logic's internal fx Actually these are not (yet) plugins from a software user's point of view, because you can't just buy and plug them into your program as you would do with VST or Premiere plugins. Still they are plugins in the sense that you can plug them into your signal path once you have the desire to do so. Certainly our software nerds could go into minutely details as to what extent they are plugins from a programmers view. However, to the user they are invisible outside logic. No folder, no delay file, no nothing. All contained inside the application itself. No plugin piracy. Period. All of logic's plugins are available as *nondestructive realtime fx* from every audio fader's insert points and as *'constructive' realtime fx* once you decide to Bounce any audio with its fx from an Audio Output Object. Because software manufacturers are clever, many plugins come in different breeds, so you can use a Waves Q10 equalizer via its VST-shell as a realtime plugin or with its Premiere-shell as a non-realtime plugin. Think of the shells as adapters like the one you plug your razor in once you find yourself in a hotel room in Cairo. Everything clear ? Christian

Christian Obermaier wrote: > Logic on Windows is not (able to handle that sort of plugins), apparently because Emagic has no license from Steinberg to implement a VST-host in LAW. Hello Christian, this remark raises the impression that Steinberg is unwilling to give Emagic a licence to host VST on the PC. This is not true. Best Regards, -- -------------------mailto:t.koberling@s...------------------- Thimo Koberling http://www.steinberg.net International Distributor Support http://www.steinberg.de Steinberg Soft- und Hardware GmbH Distributor support address: Eiffestr. 596, 20537 Hamburg/Germany mailto:distsupport@s... ------------------- Steinberg - Creativity First -------------------- *Due to the high volume of email please include all *original messages when replying to this message.

Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:37:11 +0200 Thimo Koberling <T.Koberling@s...> Wrote >Hello Christian, > >this remark raises the impression that Steinberg is unwilling to give Emagic a >licence to host VST on the PC. >This is not true. > >Best Regards, You mean you will *GIVE* it to them. I am *sure* they would find those terms acceptable. :-) Dennis Gunn Mightyjohn@t... check out MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head" info at http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html

Dennis Gunn wrote: > >this remark raises the impression that Steinberg is unwilling to give Emagic a > >licence to host VST on the PC. > >This is not true. > You mean you will *GIVE* it to them. We have given the license to any company (or person) who has asked us so far. We have not turned down a single request yet. We act on request, ie. we are not actively distributing it. Regards, -- -------------------mailto:t.koberling@s...------------------- Thimo Koberling http://www.steinberg.net International Distributor Support http://www.steinberg.de Steinberg Soft- und Hardware GmbH Distributor support address: Eiffestr. 596, 20537 Hamburg/Germany mailto:distsupport@s... ------------------- Steinberg - Creativity First -------------------- *Due to the high volume of email please include all *original messages when replying to this message.

If LAWP and LAMP are 95% the same code, is it not possible that the VST code on LAWP is half written anyway? >> >this remark raises the impression that Steinberg is unwilling to give Emagic a >> >licence to host VST on the PC. >> >This is not true. >> You mean you will *GIVE* it to them. From: Thimo Koberling <T.Koberling@s...> >We have given the license to any company (or person) who has asked us so far. >We have not turned down a single request yet. We act on request, ie. we are not >actively distributing it. >Regards, >-- >-------------------mailto:t.koberling@s...------------------- >Thimo Koberling http://www.steinberg.net

> If LAWP and LAMP are 95% the same code, is it not possible that the VST code > on LAWP is half written anyway? The audio engine is different... MMM -- Markus Fritze Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH Chief Developer New Technology Integration, MacOS & BeOS