logic-users@onelist.com wrote: > > > There are 20 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. Re: MAC OR PC LIST > From: "Christopher E. Liu" <fcqmax@...> > 2. Re: Logic *NOT* Audio - CPU too slow > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > 3. Athlon experiences (with Logic of course)? > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > 4. Re: RE:Blind overclockers was [CPU too slow] > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > 5. Re: SERVICE TIP > From: "Thomas Whitmore" <thomasw@...> > 6. VST TDM Help !! > From: Thomas Trafalski <ThomasT@...> > 7. Re: Firewire > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > 8. Re: firewire > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > 9. Re:CPU workaround, was Re:tip > From: Teddy Kumpel <kumpkin@...> > 10. Re: Firewire / 1394 USB, USB2, > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > 11. Re: LAMP SCSI HD / CD-R recomend > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > 12. Re: A good Hard Disk? > From: "Pamela or/and Lars" <pollen@...> > 13. OT: LAMP/OS8.5: Export of event list > From: gass@... > 14. HHB CD Burners????? > From: "Willy" <willydon@...> > 15. HHB CD Burners????? > From: "Willy" <willydon@...> > 16. FS: Soundelux U95S (Matched Pair) > From: Jay-J <jayj@...> > 17. Re: Emagic PC Test System?? > From: Craig Allen <craiglbc@...> > 18. Re: Re: Emagic PC Test System?? (USB) > From: "Keith Runfola" <krunfola@...> > 19. environment > From: "A.L" <alauricella@...> > 20. Re: VST TDM Help !! > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:35:34 +0800 > From: "Christopher E. Liu" <fcqmax@...> > Subject: Re: MAC OR PC LIST > > > if we change it to : > > [LUG] MAC: and the title (for MAC related problems) > > or > > [LUG] PC: and the title (for PC related problems) > > or > > [LUG] GEN and the title (for both platform) > > I agree... especially when related to hardware problems. I think we can > leave out the GEN though if we're talking about the program's > features/bugs/how to's... > > Chris Liu > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:08:29 +0200 > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > Subject: Re: Logic *NOT* Audio - CPU too slow > > Hi Sascha... Frank ;-) > > > But, for serious audio work (especially when you need more tracks and > > several plugins) a decent amount of Ram (128 or higher) will defenitely > > increase your systems performance more or less drastically, especially when > > running 98 (so, an investion in that can't harm as long as you plan to > > expand audiowise). > > I know, and I'm about to invest in an Athlon system in the next two weeks as > I'll be using audio much more from then on. > > Ciao, > Joeri > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > List-admin Logic-users/ Sounddiver-users/ Logic-TDM > FAQ & Info: http://www.nbdj.com/Logic/mailinglists.htm > > http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays > http://www.nbdj.com/Logic - Logic Wish List > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:08:34 +0200 > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > Subject: Athlon experiences (with Logic of course)? > > Hi, > > Has anyone used an Athlon based system with Logic? If so, how were the > experiences? I'm about to invest in a new computer and I'd like to know > whether the Athlon works well with Logic. Any official tests at Emagic > (Sascha?)? Any info is welcome. Thanks. > > Ciao, > Joeri > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > List-admin Logic-users/ Sounddiver-users/ Logic-TDM > FAQ & Info: http://www.nbdj.com/Logic/mailinglists.htm > > http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays > http://www.nbdj.com/Logic - Logic Wish List > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:08:40 +0200 > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > Subject: Re: RE:Blind overclockers was [CPU too slow] > > Hi Yavuz, > > > I have: > > PIII 500 > > 256MB ram > > 20GB 7200 ATA66 HD > > DS2416 > > Still "CPU too slow" > > I'm new to this ATA66 stuff, but do you have the latest drivers? Since most > motherboards don't support ATA66, are you sure all these settings are correct or > do you use an additional ATA66 controller? Do you use ATA66 cables? I'm just > trying to think out loud... Maybe try to fine-tune your system during one day > where you try out all hardware settings and you might find the cause... I don't > know.... I can only hope that I don't run into the same trouble when I upgrade (2 > weeks from here). > > Apparently, there is a serious bug... Emagic, please make this bug your main > concern as it troubles lots of people. > > Greetings, > Joeri > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > List-admin Logic-users/ Sounddiver-users/ Logic-TDM > FAQ & Info: http://www.nbdj.com/Logic/mailinglists.htm > > http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays > http://www.nbdj.com/Logic - Logic Wish List > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:11:06 +1300 > From: "Thomas Whitmore" <thomasw@...> > Subject: Re: SERVICE TIP > > Hello Herbie, > > >. Make your statement devoid of emotion and senseless negativity. > >please don't force us and Emagic to sift through reams of vitriolic > >whinging. Statements like the following are nothing but a senseless > >diatribe. Grow up!! > > Glad to see you take your own advice. > > >>Emagic : We already put up with dongle inconvenience. > >And you expect people will help you with an attitude like that? My > >condolences on your naivety. > > I wrote that. It's not a request for help, it's a statement that business > practice & customer service have moved on since the 70s. Hello, bang on > head, is anyone in there? > > On this list I spend most of my time helping people. I do not ask for help > myself, but I learn from reading other people's posts. > > >Remember, a program like Logic is going to push and utilize a > >system to it's full potential, <snip> software which has been > >designed to work and use just about every system resource > >available. It needs to be treated with respect. > > Yes, but not blind worship. Logic uses not every system resource, but a few > specific ones heavily. Limitations and interactions are fairly simple and > understandable. > > >And so do the people from Emagic. Remember the days when > >Gerhard Lengeling and Chris Adam had a personal involvement > >here? Michael Haydn and his colleagues are here for feedback and > >assistance, not to have abuse hurled at them. Without them you > >would not have a Logic at all. > > I appreciate that Emagic are active on this forum, though only in very > selective areas. > > However respect is a two way street; and I regard corporate policy for user > information on audio matters and PDF manuals as distinctly disrespectful to > us well-paying customers. > > [Some poor guy's problem] > >THIS IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE > >EMAGIC'S FAULT!! > > Emagic have not explained what's so different between 4.0 and 3.6 that > version 4 breaks on many machines. Version 3.6 works, version 4.0 doesn't, > I'm a software developer but it's hardly rocket science. > > Some of your other points re the list were good... > > Cheers, > Thomas > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:12:52 -0500 > From: Thomas Trafalski <ThomasT@...> > Subject: VST TDM Help !! > > Does anyone know how to if at all possible to automate VST or Logic Native Plug-ins......( I have no trouble automating TDM plugins ) And secondly Is there a way to buss MacAV audio tracks to DAE TDM tracks to avoid the unbalanced Mac outputs....My System Mac 9500/200/Protools mix24/Logic Audio Platinum.. > Cheers > > "Just Hold Down The Option Key And Call Me In The Morning" > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Trafalski > Seismic Sound Productions > ThomasT@... > -------------------------------------------------------- > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:17:24 -0400 > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > Subject: Re: Firewire > > >According to an article in the latest MacUser magazine, firewire has a > >promising future. Already under development are versions that will > >double and triple the transimssion speed. > > This was more in line with what I've been hearing/seeing. There are even a > few fw CD burners and dvd-ram drives now, and it's been used successfully > for the past few years with digital video cameras. The only remaining big > question was does it work with DAWs? > > Subala > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:17:24 -0400 > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > Subject: Re: firewire > > >So, the firewire drive seems to work just fine... am I losing data? > >Or there some other deterioration of the samples? > > > >Rick > > That's great news Rick. What's your max track count and FX usage? Could you > please remind me of your system configuration and HD size/type again. > > Thanis, > Subala > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 00:08:27 -0400 > From: Teddy Kumpel <kumpkin@...> > Subject: Re:CPU workaround, was Re:tip > > ok, so glue the whole track together and make a new file so it won't have > to deal with any breaks in the audio if that's what it doesn't like... if > you got the real estate that is... > > Teddy But > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:00:38 +0200 > From: "Budy" <thirdeye@...> > Subject: CPU workaround, was Re: tip > > Hi, > > Allas, the problem is not the actual overlaps of different parts. > > My finding is that if a rec is say 10 sec and you use > only 8 sec; placing a copie (I use no alias) or another > rec right behind it can give trouble, EVEN if the actual > parts do not overlap. > > If the total lenght of a rec (incl the not used tail) unvisably > overlaps another rec on the same track and I'm near the > limmit I get CPU too slow. (ex: if the unused tail of a rec. overlaps > the unused front part of another rec.) > > I think this is a bug as it doesn't happen with other audio prg. > > I found out that trimming the unused parts of the rec. gives me extra > performance. (in this case now I can play the song till the end, > which I couldn't before cos of CPU too slow...) > > SO, now I need to do a lot more work which I didn't bother to > do with other rec programs. Ex: I have a good vocal track with > a few alt takes to replace badly phrased or out of tune parts. > Its not enough to just cut the track, make space and insert the alt > take: I have to trim the alt take ( the actual samlpe!)to fit exactly > AND I have to convert the used regions of the original track to > seperate audio files so that there is no overlap in background. > > I consider this a workaround. > > Is there anyone who tried this at a point where CPU too slow > tends to come up ? If so: did it go away ? > > For me this definatly helped: not just one time, not just one session ! > > Goodluck > > Budy > > > hey guys... in the arrange window's small menu try: FUNCTIONS: OBJECTS: > > REMOVE OVERLAPS > > > > this will remove all the overlaps for whatever is selected in the arrange > > window > > > > hope that makes it less work for ya... > > > > Teddy But > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:20:27 -0400 > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > Subject: Re: Firewire / 1394 USB, USB2, > > >Intel had/has the southbridge ready for launch in december 1998 (PXII6) so > >Intel PC's would have 1394 in Januari 1999. > > > >Apple remembered that it was the inventor and demanded about half a dollar > >for each device. Because of that reason, Intel decided to scrap Firewire > >in favour of developing USB 2 . > > Thanks, that did help clear things up. But the way I heard it, was Apple > only charged the $0.50 if you used the name "Firewire" because that was > their product name. You could use the IEEE1394 system all you wanted and > come up with your own name for it within your products (as most companies > using it have done), you just couldn't use the name "Firewire" without a > licensing agreement with Apple. > > Subaala > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:20:27 -0400 > From: Subala <ecstatic@...> > Subject: Re: LAMP SCSI HD / CD-R recomend > > >I see Seagate has a 18.2 LVD SCA drive 6.9ms for around $490(us). I assume > >this won't connect to the 50 and 68 pin connections on the 2940. > > > >What about LVD drives? I'm a little confused as to how they fit into the > >whole SCSI food chain. > > > >Anyone know of a site that can help me determine a good audio drive? > >Anything working well for anyone in the under $600 range? > > > >Also.........I plan on purchasing a Plextor 8x20 cd burner for Waveburner. > >Anyone suggest a better value? > > these guys might be able to help. They sell all this stuff and I know there > catalogs go into "easy to understand" detail about what all the different > types of scsi are and what works with what. > > www.apstech.com > > Subala > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:26:07 -0700 > From: "Pamela or/and Lars" <pollen@...> > Subject: Re: A good Hard Disk? > > Mat, > > I highly recommend this link for a discussion of the new eide drives as well > as general information about drives. There are also reviews, tests and > comparisons. Take note of the importance of areal density in sustained > transfer rates. There are also noise estimates for the different drives. > Yes, it is possible to run a udma 66 drive on a udma 33 bus. It is > recommended to use a 66 cable though. I beleive this is also convered at > this link. > > http://www.storagereview.com/articles/9907/990719ataroundup1999.html > > Lars H > > > From: "Mat Jarvis" <mat@...> > > > > Can anyone recommend a good EIDE HD for use with Logic? > > > > I've heard the IBM Deskstar series are good, is this true? > > How about the new Maxtor DiamondMax drives? > > > > How about noise levels? > > > > Is it possible to run a UDMA66 drive on a UDMA33 Motherboard? > > > > Thanks for any info > > > > Mat > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 13 > Date: 15 Oct 1999 05:33:06 -0000 > From: gass@... > Subject: OT: LAMP/OS8.5: Export of event list > > Does anybody know whether it is possible to export the content of the event list to let's say a word processor? Is there any OS utility to save a text window's content to ascii or could this even be done within Logic? > > Thomas > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:59:09 -0700 > From: "Willy" <willydon@...> > Subject: HHB CD Burners????? > > Anyone care to explain (in laymans term...) the technical & practical > differences between the following CD burners??? > HHB CDR850 CD Burner ($1,149.99) > HHB CDR800 CD Burner ($1,499.99). > > Thanks in advance..... > > WillyDon > Bklyn, Ny > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:30:17 -0700 > From: "Willy" <willydon@...> > Subject: HHB CD Burners????? > > Anyone care to explain (in laymans term...) the technical & practical > differences between the following CD burners??? > > HHB CDR850 CD Burner ($1,149.99) > HHB CDR800 CD Burner ($1,499.99). > > ...and whether or not i might need the extra bell & whistles in a home rig! > > Thanks in advance..... > > WillyDon > Bklyn, Ny > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 99 22:40:01 -0800 > From: Jay-J <jayj@...> > Subject: FS: Soundelux U95S (Matched Pair) > > Soundelux U95S Pair > > Brand new matched pair of sequentially numbered Soundelux U95S tube Mics. > These were literally purchased two weeks ago. Complete package includes > wood boxes, power supply, shock mounts, heavy duty flight cases and 2 > extra tubes. > > They sound great, but the project with the budget for them fell through. > As much as I would like to, I can't afford to keep them. $4600 plus > shipping. > > Moulton Street Sudios > 415-929-9377 > > Be Well, > > Jay-J > > jayj@... > www.moultonstudios.com > > 415.929.9377 phone > 415.929.9378 fax > > --------------------------------------------------- > "music is the shorthand of emotion" - leo tolstoy > --------------------------------------------------- > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:38:22 -0700 > From: Craig Allen <craiglbc@...> > Subject: Re: Emagic PC Test System?? > > This is one of the systems Sascha of Emagic replied on. (I happened to > save it in notes about Logic I'm accumulating): > > Could you please give us some more details on your system??? > > I think this might be very helpful. > > One of my test-machines is : > Asus P2B, Intel P2-400mHz, 128 MB Ram > Viper550 gfx card (or various other cards) > Audiowerk8 (or various other cards) > Unitor8/AMT8 > Win98 (not SE) > 1024x768, highColor > WD Caviar 24300 IDE > USB completely disabled! > ISA network card > > > With greetings from Germany > > Sascha Kujawa > Quality Assurance Manager and > Betatest Coordinator (Windows) > Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH > > Craig > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:03:59 -0400 > From: "Keith Runfola" <krunfola@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Emagic PC Test System?? (USB) > > What's the problem with USB? > > >USB completely disabled! > > > From: Craig Allen <craiglbc@...> > > > > This is one of the systems Sascha of Emagic replied on. (I happened to > > save it in notes about Logic I'm accumulating): > > > > Could you please give us some more details on your system??? > > > I think this might be very helpful. > > > > One of my test-machines is : > > Asus P2B, Intel P2-400mHz, 128 MB Ram > > Viper550 gfx card (or various other cards) > > Audiowerk8 (or various other cards) > > Unitor8/AMT8 > > Win98 (not SE) > > 1024x768, highColor > > WD Caviar 24300 IDE > > USB completely disabled! > > ISA network card > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:45:11 -0400 > From: "A.L" <alauricella@...> > Subject: environment > > anybody got an environment for a lexicon pcm 90 ???? > Thanks AL > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:52:44 +0200 > From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> > Subject: Re: VST TDM Help !! > > Hi, > > > Does anyone know how to if at all possible to automate VST or Logic Native Plug-ins......( I have no trouble automating TDM plugins ) > > Select a track for the automation... In the audio environment, you'll see that all tracks go to one object... well, select the track with that object. Then just record and make the changes, or draw it with hyperdraw. > > Ciao, > Joeri > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > List-admin Logic-users/ Sounddiver-users/ Logic-TDM > FAQ & Info: http://www.nbdj.com/Logic/mailinglists.htm > > http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays > http://www.nbdj.com/Logic - Logic Wish List > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___