It's interesting how many really basic FAQs are asked on this list. The reason? Emagic may have an excellent and at times amazingly sophisticated product, but the task of giving users an easy way in has so far completely eluded them. The answer is simple - get a good writer to develop a task-oriented (as opposed to "what do these menu options mean") set of user tutorials. Some examples: I want to record and play back a MIDI track I want to record a MIDI playback as an audio track I want to bounce two or more audio tracks down to a single audio track I want to get rid of the time delay between playing a note on a keyboard and VST intrument playback I want to keep my effects settings when I change audio cards (which came up recently) ...plus a whole raft of tasks of the type that keep getting raised on this email list. The reason I say this is because I have just had a look at the Cubase user guide. The paper-based stuff (much less than Logic's) is all about leading users gently into the basics of how the program works by taking them through some basic tasks, such as how to get a sound out of the damn thing! I must have wasted days just trying to get my first meaningful sounds out of Logic. I desperately needed a guiding hand and it wasn't there. In many of the posts to this list I hear exactly the same frustration over and over. Simple things are way to hard to figure out. Everyone talks about a steep learning curve. I honestly don't believe Logic would have this reputation of a "difficult" program if they spent some time/money changing their documentation from a technical, programming view to a user task view. You would think it's as simple as hiring someone for a month to research the most frustrating problems people face (see archives of this list!) and producing a series of step-by-step tutorials. Dave Bellingham, are you available??? Like many others, I am extremely appreciative of regulars on this list like my Aussie compatriot Dave B. who continue to help newbies like myself through these testing times. Some keep the LA faith, others like myself (NOT a recording professional) are on the verge of giving up and looking at Cubase...despite the fact I have already put an enormous amount of time, effort and money into trying to learn and love LA. So far, the only help available is the manual (basically a technical reference, and totally useless until you know how the program works!) and books like Dave's Wizoo guide which, with all due respect to Dave, still only skims the surface. I intuitively know that Logic is a good program. If Emagic (or Dave B?) were to produce some task-based tutorials, you'd hear the waves of relief from here! Alister Webb webman@...

well, a good point, if anyone wants to get this together id be well up for taking control of it and sorting it out, i must admit my knowledge of logic isnt massive but i can certainly take care of a few of these tutorials, maybe if we got enough people here to write 1 each it could be done in no time. im up for it, is anyone else? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- www.audioheadz.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Alister Webb To: logic-users@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:44 AM Subject: [LUG] WISH: a task-oriented LA tutorial It's interesting how many really basic FAQs are asked on this list. The reason? Emagic may have an excellent and at times amazingly sophisticated product, but the task of giving users an easy way in has so far completely eluded them. The answer is simple - get a good writer to develop a task-oriented (as opposed to "what do these menu options mean") set of user tutorials. Some examples: I want to record and play back a MIDI track I want to record a MIDI playback as an audio track I want to bounce two or more audio tracks down to a single audio track I want to get rid of the time delay between playing a note on a keyboard and VST intrument playback I want to keep my effects settings when I change audio cards (which came up recently) ...plus a whole raft of tasks of the type that keep getting raised on this email list. The reason I say this is because I have just had a look at the Cubase user guide. The paper-based stuff (much less than Logic's) is all about leading users gently into the basics of how the program works by taking them through some basic tasks, such as how to get a sound out of the damn thing! I must have wasted days just trying to get my first meaningful sounds out of Logic. I desperately needed a guiding hand and it wasn't there. In many of the posts to this list I hear exactly the same frustration over and over. Simple things are way to hard to figure out. Everyone talks about a steep learning curve. I honestly don't believe Logic would have this reputation of a "difficult" program if they spent some time/money changing their documentation from a technical, programming view to a user task view. You would think it's as simple as hiring someone for a month to research the most frustrating problems people face (see archives of this list!) and producing a series of step-by-step tutorials. Dave Bellingham, are you available??? Like many others, I am extremely appreciative of regulars on this list like my Aussie compatriot Dave B. who continue to help newbies like myself through these testing times. Some keep the LA faith, others like myself (NOT a recording professional) are on the verge of giving up and looking at Cubase...despite the fact I have already put an enormous amount of time, effort and money into trying to learn and love LA. So far, the only help available is the manual (basically a technical reference, and totally useless until you know how the program works!) and books like Dave's Wizoo guide which, with all due respect to Dave, still only skims the surface. I intuitively know that Logic is a good program. If Emagic (or Dave B?) were to produce some task-based tutorials, you'd hear the waves of relief from here! Alister Webb webman@... Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com

While I may be to new to Logic (4-6 weeks) to write a tutorial, I would be happy to participate in testing, editing, etc. Task oriented tutorials would have made my life easier at the startup stage. This is not just a concept for the new user. The expertise in this Group expressed in task oriented tutorials would be a powerful and welcomed tool to everyone. I suppose I could write the definitive newbie tutorial on "where's the sound", pops, clicks, crashes, etc. This list was invaluable to me in sorting out my initial problems and for that I am grateful. Jim -----Original Message----- From: taskie [mailto:taskie@...] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:42 AM To: logic-users@egroups.com Subject: Re: [LUG] WISH: a task-oriented LA tutorial well, a good point, if anyone wants to get this together id be well up for taking control of it and sorting it out, i must admit my knowledge of logic isnt massive but i can certainly take care of a few of these tutorials, maybe if we got enough people here to write 1 each it could be done in no time. im up for it, is anyone else? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- www.audioheadz.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Alister Webb To: logic-users@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:44 AM Subject: [LUG] WISH: a task-oriented LA tutorial It's interesting how many really basic FAQs are asked on this list. The reason? Emagic may have an excellent and at times amazingly sophisticated product, but the task of giving users an easy way in has so far completely eluded them. The answer is simple - get a good writer to develop a task-oriented (as opposed to "what do these menu options mean") set of user tutorials. Some examples: I want to record and play back a MIDI track I want to record a MIDI playback as an audio track I want to bounce two or more audio tracks down to a single audio track I want to get rid of the time delay between playing a note on a keyboard and VST intrument playback I want to keep my effects settings when I change audio cards (which came up recently) ...plus a whole raft of tasks of the type that keep getting raised on this email list. The reason I say this is because I have just had a look at the Cubase user guide. The paper-based stuff (much less than Logic's) is all about leading users gently into the basics of how the program works by taking them through some basic tasks, such as how to get a sound out of the damn thing! I must have wasted days just trying to get my first meaningful sounds out of Logic. I desperately needed a guiding hand and it wasn't there. In many of the posts to this list I hear exactly the same frustration over and over. Simple things are way to hard to figure out. Everyone talks about a steep learning curve. I honestly don't believe Logic would have this reputation of a "difficult" program if they spent some time/money changing their documentation from a technical, programming view to a user task view. You would think it's as simple as hiring someone for a month to research the most frustrating problems people face (see archives of this list!) and producing a series of step-by-step tutorials. Dave Bellingham, are you available??? Like many others, I am extremely appreciative of regulars on this list like my Aussie compatriot Dave B. who continue to help newbies like myself through these testing times. Some keep the LA faith, others like myself (NOT a recording professional) are on the verge of giving up and looking at Cubase...despite the fact I have already put an enormous amount of time, effort and money into trying to learn and love LA. So far, the only help available is the manual (basically a technical reference, and totally useless until you know how the program works!) and books like Dave's Wizoo guide which, with all due respect to Dave, still only skims the surface. I intuitively know that Logic is a good program. If Emagic (or Dave B?) were to produce some task-based tutorials, you'd hear the waves of relief from here! Alister Webb webman@... Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com