I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or similar. Wondering if people are using the 003 with Logic and what their experiences of it are, and also what firewire/ portable audio interfaces people are using for live setups. The main alternative I'm interested in is the MOTU Ultralite or Traveler. How do people find non-digidesign interfaces with Mac OSX upgrades. Digidesign software/hardware is quite easy to break with system and even smaller apple updates such as QuickTime (the current version of QuickTime does not work well with Digidesigns core audio at present.) Finally anyone on Leopard with Logic Pro 8? I am holding off right now. Leon MacBook Pro 2.4/2GB Mac OSX 10.4.10 Logic Studio Mbox Emagic 2/6

On 02/12/2007, at 12:26 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or > similar. Wondering if people > are using the 003 with Logic and what their experiences of it are, > and also what firewire/ > portable audio interfaces people are using for live setups. The > main alternative I'm interested > in is the MOTU Ultralite or Traveler. How do people find non- > digidesign interfaces with Mac > OSX upgrades. Digidesign software/hardware is quite easy to break > with system and even > smaller apple updates such as QuickTime (the current version of > QuickTime does not work > well with Digidesigns core audio at present.) > > Finally anyone on Leopard with Logic Pro 8? I am holding off right > now. Leon, there was recently a big thread over on Daw Mac regarding how Digidesign's core audio drivers a quite flawed by comparison to almost any other makers drivers. Two major complaints seem to be poor latency and reduced sound quality! There also seems to be an issue with Mbox that core audio drivers reverse the phase of the outputs. Maybe 003 as well (when running under core audio) The theory is that Digi want to make their devices perform great with Pro Tools but not with any other software. This has been my experience as well. So based on this my initial recommendation if you don't need Pro Tools would be anything but a Digi solution. RME, Apogee or Metric Halo for example. If you do need Pro Tools then get a M-Audio solution OR if you simply need the Pro Tools software without a lot of I/O then get the new Mbox micro or whatever it's called and spend your money on a decent chunk of IO. So I guess the short answer is anything but Digi. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:26 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or > similar. Wondering if people > are using the 003 with Logic and what their experiences of it are, > and also what firewire/ > portable audio interfaces people are using for live setups. The main > alternative I'm interested > in is the MOTU Ultralite or Traveler. How do people find non- > digidesign interfaces with Mac > OSX upgrades. Digidesign software/hardware is quite easy to break > with system and even > smaller apple updates such as QuickTime (the current version of > QuickTime does not work > well with Digidesigns core audio at present.) > > Finally anyone on Leopard with Logic Pro 8? I am holding off right > now. > > Leon > > MacBook Pro 2.4/2GB Mac OSX 10.4.10 > Logic Studio > Mbox > Emagic 2/6 > Running Leopard with Logic Studio and a MOTU 828MKII. Never had a single issue with the hardware. You would probably find Logic alot friendlier with a non Digi interface.. Digi is not exactly known for making the most OS friendly Core Audio drivers, and like you said youll have less to worry about with system updates. MOTUs drivers at least worked the day Leopard came out except for one thing that simply didnt fire up on screen when you launched the interface. Only took a week or so and they had an update for everything across the board.. Based on my roommates stories (hes still using his 001) I like staying up to date too much to consider buying anything from them (not to mention anything I ever wanted out of ProTools is now in Logic).. --- Chris www.monotrematamusic.com www.descentrecords.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Paul Najar <pnajar@...> wrote: > > On 02/12/2007, at 12:26 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > > > I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or > > similar. Wondering if people > > are using the 003 with Logic and what their experiences of it are, > > and also what firewire/ > > portable audio interfaces people are using for live setups. The > > main alternative I'm interested > > in is the MOTU Ultralite or Traveler. How do people find non- > > digidesign interfaces with Mac > > OSX upgrades. Digidesign software/hardware is quite easy to break > > with system and even > > smaller apple updates such as QuickTime (the current version of > > QuickTime does not work > > well with Digidesigns core audio at present.) > > > > Finally anyone on Leopard with Logic Pro 8? I am holding off right > > now. > > Leon, there was recently a big thread over on Daw Mac regarding how > Digidesign's core audio drivers a quite flawed by comparison to > almost any other makers drivers. Two major complaints seem to be poor > latency and reduced sound quality! There also seems to be an issue > with Mbox that core audio drivers reverse the phase of the outputs. > Maybe 003 as well (when running under core audio) The theory is that > Digi want to make their devices perform great with Pro Tools but not > with any other software. This has been my experience as well. > > So based on this my initial recommendation if you don't need Pro > Tools would be anything but a Digi solution. RME, Apogee or Metric > Halo for example. If you do need Pro Tools then get a M-Audio > solution OR if you simply need the Pro Tools software without a lot > of I/O then get the new Mbox micro or whatever it's called and spend > your money on a decent chunk of IO. > > So I guess the short answer is anything but Digi. > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Paul Najar > Jaminajar Music Production > www.jaminajar.com > > > > > > Thanks for that advice Paul. I use Pro Tools for my audio post work, but never for music. While I would prefer to have one interface, the problems with compatability with core audio have made me rethink their interfaces for non-PT work. Digidesign core audio has broken again with a simple upgrade of QuickTime to QT 7.3 meaning QT player will not play audio out reliably from a Digidesign interface (the interface work fine with Logic) and also splats of audio when opening apps. By comparison my ancient emagic 2/6 is working perfectly. I am leaning toward keeping my Mbox and grabbing a portable interface. How do you find your presonus box I remember you having? I like the look of the MOTU Ultralite (except no optical). There seem to be quite a few decent options out there. By the way, I have mainstage configured with my JP-8000 as a controller and have been rehearsing with it. Works well. Few niggles but for a first version very good. The MBP STEAMS! It's quick. Leon Check the sites below for CV, music and more http://www.leonhorrockssound.com/ http://www.leonmusiconline.com/ http://dailyleon.blogspot.com/

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Coccia <mothra@...> wrote: > > > On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:26 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > > > I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or > > similar. Wondering if people > > are using the 003 with Logic and what their experiences of it are, > > and also what firewire/ > > portable audio interfaces people are using for live setups. The main > > alternative I'm interested > > in is the MOTU Ultralite or Traveler. How do people find non- > > digidesign interfaces with Mac > > OSX upgrades. Digidesign software/hardware is quite easy to break > > with system and even > > smaller apple updates such as QuickTime (the current version of > > QuickTime does not work > > well with Digidesigns core audio at present.) > > > > Finally anyone on Leopard with Logic Pro 8? I am holding off right > > now. > > > > Leon > > > > MacBook Pro 2.4/2GB Mac OSX 10.4.10 > > Logic Studio > > Mbox > > Emagic 2/6 > > > > > > Running Leopard with Logic Studio and a MOTU 828MKII. Never had a > single issue with the hardware. > You would probably find Logic alot friendlier with a non Digi > interface.. Digi is not exactly known for making the most OS friendly > Core Audio drivers, and like you said youll have less to worry about > with system updates. MOTUs drivers at least worked the day Leopard > came out except for one thing that simply didnt fire up on screen when > you launched the interface. Only took a week or so and they had an > update for everything across the board.. > Based on my roommates stories (hes still using his 001) I like staying > up to date too much to consider buying anything from them (not to > mention anything I ever wanted out of ProTools is now in Logic).. > > --- > Chris > www.monotrematamusic.com > www.descentrecords.com Thanks Chris thats useful to know. I am seriously considering MOTU hardware. I get quick frustrated with the Mbox. I have my Emagic 2/6 plugged in right now and it works fine for an ancient thing I bought years ago. Bummer it doesn't have balanced ins! BTW Does Leopard give any speed increase? I am interested in it superior multithreading abilities. Not that my MBP is slow! Leon Check the sites below for CV, music and more http://www.leonhorrockssound.com/ http://www.leonmusiconline.com/ http://dailyleon.blogspot.com/

"leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > I am currently looking to upgrade my Digidesign Mbox to 003 or similar. If you don't need to use ProTools software, then a Digidesign [LE] interface is about as bad a choice as it gets. For the same money you can get a vastly better quality interface. For way less money you can get an interface just as mediocre. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

On Dec 1, 2007, at 7:46 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > > BTW Does Leopard give any speed increase? I am interested in it > superior multithreading > abilities. Not that my MBP is slow! > Ive said it plenty of times over the years here, I started with the original 828, sold it the day Sam Ash got the new ones in stock, bought one of those and Ill probably always look at their stuff first now when I need something new.. Owned their midi express xt before as well and those kicked ass as well. :D Bought my AMT8 when I moved to the Mac because well mine didnt have serial ports anymore and I dont think the USB versions of the XT were out yet. Cant go wrong with MOTU if you ask me, but theyre like every manufacturer.. Some people hate em, most of us love em. As for your Leopard speed question.. If youve got a MBP dont ask me I couldnt tell you objectively. It hasnt really sped up mine, but its an 800Mhz G4 upgraded to a dual 1.6 so its pretty much on its last leg as it is.. My Geforce 5500 card I flashed (was a Pc card) died a month or so ago, and when I installed both Leopard and Logic Studio I got warnings about my original Radeon not having enough video memory to take advantage of new features.. I bet it would be a bit snappier at least in regards to the GUI (which does seem to be the one lagging point now) if I had a new card.. Which reminds me found a Geforce 6200 for $37.99 Im going to flash as soon as it gets here.. Should make quite a difference over the Radeon hehe. :D --- Chris www.monotrematamusic.com www.descentrecords.com

On Dec 2, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Chris Coccia wrote: > Some people hate em, most of us love em. Most? Really?

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Coccia <mothra@...> wrote: > > > On Dec 1, 2007, at 7:46 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: > > > > > BTW Does Leopard give any speed increase? I am interested in it > > superior multithreading > > abilities. Not that my MBP is slow! > > > > Ive said it plenty of times over the years here, I started with the > original 828, sold it the day Sam Ash got the new ones in stock, > bought one of those and Ill probably always look at their stuff first > now when I need something new.. Owned their midi express xt before as > well and those kicked ass as well. :D > Bought my AMT8 when I moved to the Mac because well mine didnt have > serial ports anymore and I dont think the USB versions of the XT were > out yet. > Cant go wrong with MOTU if you ask me, but theyre like every > manufacturer.. Some people hate em, most of us love em. > > > As for your Leopard speed question.. If youve got a MBP dont ask me I > couldnt tell you objectively. It hasnt really sped up mine, but its an > 800Mhz G4 upgraded to a dual 1.6 so its pretty much on its last leg as > it is.. My Geforce 5500 card I flashed (was a Pc card) died a month or > so ago, and when I installed both Leopard and Logic Studio I got > warnings about my original Radeon not having enough video memory to > take advantage of new features.. I bet it would be a bit snappier at > least in regards to the GUI (which does seem to be the one lagging > point now) if I had a new card.. Which reminds me found a Geforce 6200 > for $37.99 Im going to flash as soon as it gets here.. Should make > quite a difference over the Radeon hehe. :D > > --- > Chris The Traveler looks quite good and has good reviews. Anyone have another other suggestions? Need to be portable for live work. I read the thread over at daw-mac, and yes I've had most of those experiences. The inputs being phase reversed thing I have never noticed, but will test. It has made me reflect on how poor I've found the Mbox its when not running PT. My Emagic 2/6 runs rings around it. All my music work is done in Logic & related apps these days, so I think its bye bye digidesign hardware. Very poor on Digidesigns behalf to make such a weak driver for core audio. Also their new range of Mbox2s are so underfeatured and the 003 is more expensive than the competetion that it isn't too hard to contemplate a switch. Leon

On 02/12/2007, at 2:43 PM, leonhorrocks wrote: >> > Thanks for that advice Paul. I use Pro Tools for my audio post > work, but never for music. > While I would prefer to have one interface, the problems with > compatability with core > audio have made me rethink their interfaces for non-PT work. > Digidesign core audio has > broken again with a simple upgrade of QuickTime to QT 7.3 meaning > QT player will not > play audio out reliably from a Digidesign interface (the interface > work fine with Logic) and > also splats of audio when opening apps. By comparison my ancient > emagic 2/6 is working > perfectly. I am leaning toward keeping my Mbox and grabbing a > portable interface. How > do you find your presonus box I remember you having? I like the > look of the MOTU > Ultralite (except no optical). There seem to be quite a few decent > options out there. > > By the way, I have mainstage configured with my JP-8000 as a > controller and have been > rehearsing with it. Works well. Few niggles but for a first version > very good. > > The MBP STEAMS! It's quick. Gedday Leon. The Presonus FireBox has been a solid performer for me with decent sound quality but you may want more I/O. It has a total of 6 in 8 out with 2 of those being SPDIF. You mentioned a need for optical. It's bigger stable mates my be worth checking out... Glad to hear the MBP is good. I can see one in my future in the next 3 months I reckon. Since I can't boot Mainstage on my G4 Powerbook due to lack of ram I've ot played with it much yet. I can run it on my studio machine but not much point really. Kind regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

> > Gedday Leon. The Presonus FireBox has been a solid performer for me > with decent sound quality but you may want more I/O. It has a total > of 6 in 8 out with 2 of those being SPDIF. You mentioned a need for > optical. It's bigger stable mates my be worth checking out... Yes I am looking at their Firestudio along side other things. Very good box by the looks. I'd like to have all my synths wired into Logic so they're always ready to be integrated in Logics mixer and also be able to record live stuff, with minimal latency. The 8 mic pres and optical expandablility for down the track look good on the Firestudio. Its about 700US. I wonder how much more we'd have to pay here. > > Glad to hear the MBP is good. I can see one in my future in the next > 3 months I reckon. Since I can't boot Mainstage on my G4 Powerbook > due to lack of ram I've ot played with it much yet. I can run it on > my studio machine but not much point really. I think you'll enjoy it when you get the chance. BTW did you see the new Macbooks? They have upgraded the graphics so maybe an option if you want a similar form factor to your PB. If you can handle the size the MBP 15" is solid performer. My logic tracks barely tickle it and some are massive with songs. > > Kind regards > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Paul Najar > Jaminajar Music Production > www.jaminajar.com > > > > > >

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@...> wrote: > > > > > > Gedday Leon. The Presonus FireBox has been a solid performer for me > > with decent sound quality but you may want more I/O. It has a total > > of 6 in 8 out with 2 of those being SPDIF. You mentioned a need for > > optical. It's bigger stable mates my be worth checking out... > > Yes I am looking at their Firestudio along side other things. Very good box by the looks. > I'd like to have all my synths wired into Logic so they're always ready to be integrated in > Logics mixer and also be able to record live stuff, with minimal latency. The 8 mic pres > and optical expandablility for down the track look good on the Firestudio. Its about 700US. > I wonder how much more we'd have to pay here. > > Another great new box is from M-Audio, the Fast Track Ultra http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUltra-main.html I was thinking about a Traveler interface, but this one looks great. Plus, its going for about $350.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ericdano@...> wrote: > > > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gedday Leon. The Presonus FireBox has been a solid performer for me > > > with decent sound quality but you may want more I/O. It has a total > > > of 6 in 8 out with 2 of those being SPDIF. You mentioned a need for > > > optical. It's bigger stable mates my be worth checking out... > > > > Yes I am looking at their Firestudio along side other things. Very good box by the looks. > > I'd like to have all my synths wired into Logic so they're always ready to be integrated in > > Logics mixer and also be able to record live stuff, with minimal latency. The 8 mic pres > > and optical expandablility for down the track look good on the Firestudio. Its about > 700US. > > I wonder how much more we'd have to pay here. > > > > > > > Another great new box is from M-Audio, the Fast Track Ultra > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUltra-main.html > > I was thinking about a Traveler interface, but this one looks great. Plus, its going for about > $350. > Looks OK, But I'm steering away from USB and Avid products. Although on that note, anyone use the Axiom? The 61 key looks quite good. Although I work daily with PT in post audio, I'm getting a little over Avid for project studio work. Seriously leaning toward these: I like the 8 mic pres on this one, means you can whack down a whole band. http://www.presonus.com/firestudio.html This one has the portable factor down http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ BTW using my A2/6 again for everything (Mbox if OFF). It's actaully pretty good. I used it with my old Titanium G4 550mhz originally but on the MBP it's really good. Buffer is at 128 and it's working like a champ. Emagic got it right the first time. Looks like it will be the stopgap until my new box.

"leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > The Traveler looks quite good and has good reviews. Anyone have another other > suggestions? Need to be portable for live work. I am not a fan of MOTU hardware (except their old MIDI interfaces). To me it's RME or Metric Halo or Apogee. Check those before you make your final decision. Best, Andy

Hi Leon, > The Traveler looks quite good and has good reviews. Anyone have another other > suggestions? Need to be portable for live work. I am not a fan of any MOTU hardware except for their old MIDI interfaces. Their drivers are rock solid, but they don't sound good to my ear... To me it's RME or Metric Halo or Apogee. You might want to check those before making your final decision... Best, Andy

Apologies for the duplicate guys -- had a system crash (on a laptop PC) then wrote another copy... Best, Andy

At 1:27 AM +0000 12/3/07, Eric wrote: > > >Another great new box is from M-Audio, the Fast Track Ultra >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUltra-main.html > >I was thinking about a Traveler interface, but this one looks great. >Plus, its going for about >$350. At 11:49 PM -0800 12/2/07, Andy Hardwake wrote: >"leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > >> The Traveler looks quite good and has good reviews. Anyone have >>another other >> suggestions? Need to be portable for live work. > >I am not a fan of MOTU hardware (except their old MIDI interfaces). >To me it's RME or Metric Halo or Apogee. Check those before you make >your final decision. I'm with Andy on this. I have used some M-Audio boxes (my favorite thing they make is the Lightbridge, which works great and I highly recommend it) and have never been a fan of their pres or conversion. MOTU sounds a little better to me, although I haven't heard the latest generation of their stuff. I have a Metric Halo 2882 +DSP which a remarkable piece of gear. Very flexible. It functions as the center of my studio and also works very well in live situations. I have yet to find myself stymied by routing needs and certainly not by sound quality. They are coming out with an additional chip that should add a lot of really cool functionality. The only downside of it is that the pres somehow ended up with components that didn't live up to the original spec and create a zipper noise when adjusting the level. You can work around it by directly typing in a value. Given how great the converters sound and how well the rest of it works, it's a small thing to live with. The ULN doesn't have this problem and has only two pres, but they are very high quality and have more gain with less noise than the 2882. I also have an RME Octamic D. While the pres aren't exceptional sounding, they always get the job done and the conversion is very nice sounding. Very smooth. It doesn't have a firewire connection, but it has ADAT out, which makes it a perfect companion to something like the 2882 to give you 16 inputs. These both are a whole different level of cost than M-Audio/Motu, etc, but offer a much higher level of sound quality. I know this all basic for most of you, but for those of you who are looking to get to the next level, I highly recommend the MH stuff. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Edwin <edwin@...> wrote: > I have a Metric Halo 2882 +DSP which a remarkable piece of > gear. Very flexible. I checked the specs of that one out. Looks good. I also have an RME Octamic D. While the pres aren't > exceptional sounding, they always get the job done and the conversion > is very nice sounding. Very smooth. It doesn't have a firewire > connection, but it has ADAT out, which makes it a perfect companion > to something like the 2882 to give you 16 inputs. These both are a > whole different level of cost than M-Audio/Motu, etc, but offer a > much higher level of sound quality. > > I know this all basic for most of you, but for those of you who are > looking to get to the next level, I highly recommend the MH stuff. > > Edwin For me, you the the nail on the head there. The boxes you pointed out are the more premium level like apogee. Very nice stuff, but whether its right for me right now I don't know, considering the extra bucks. I will mainly be using it to have my synths hooked up ready for work alongside the software ones, and some live work for my music projects. I think for my budget the MOTU traveler or Presonus Firestudio or maybe an RME 400 or something could be the ticket. I like the idea of the presonus with its 8 mic pres and of course if I buy any one of these the optical i/o opens the door to adding a premium A/D down the track... at any rate this thread has made me realise that running Digi hardware with anything else than PT is not really worth the hassle. Pity as many of us need to run PT for work, indeed I earn a living from my skills on it in audio post.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@...> wrote: > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Edwin <edwin@> wrote: > > > I have a Metric Halo 2882 +DSP which a remarkable piece of > > gear. Very flexible. > > I checked the specs of that one out. Looks good. > > I also have an RME Octamic D. While the pres aren't > > exceptional sounding, they always get the job done and the conversion > > is very nice sounding. Very smooth. It doesn't have a firewire > > connection, but it has ADAT out, which makes it a perfect companion > > to something like the 2882 to give you 16 inputs. These both are a > > whole different level of cost than M-Audio/Motu, etc, but offer a > > much higher level of sound quality. > > > > I know this all basic for most of you, but for those of you who are > > looking to get to the next level, I highly recommend the MH stuff. > > > > Edwin > > For me, you the the nail on the head there. The boxes you pointed out are the more > premium level like apogee. Very nice stuff, but whether its right for me right now I don't > know, considering the extra bucks. I will mainly be using it to have my synths hooked up > ready for work alongside the software ones, and some live work for my music projects. I > think for my budget the MOTU traveler or Presonus Firestudio or maybe an RME 400 or > something could be the ticket. I like the idea of the presonus with its 8 mic pres and of > course if I buy any one of these the optical i/o opens the door to adding a premium A/D > down the track... at any rate this thread has made me realise that running Digi hardware > with anything else than PT is not really worth the hassle. Pity as many of us need to run PT > for work, indeed I earn a living from my skills on it in audio post. > Hi if you need interoperability with pro tools look at the M-Audio Lightbridge, it has the option of M-Powered Protools (additional cost i think) but you can hang all of your favourite AD/DAs off it and still use it in both PT and Logic. A few Pt users I know have gone for this option as the M-Audio drivers are pretty solid with logic and PTs. The only downside is that as it comes, you only get 2x analogue out, so you'll need to but some converters/pres, its worth looking at Presonus and RME for these.

On 03/12/2007, at 11:44 AM, leonhorrocks wrote: > I think you'll enjoy it when you get the chance. BTW did you see > the new Macbooks? They > have upgraded the graphics so maybe an option if you want a similar > form factor to your > PB. If you can handle the size the MBP 15" is solid performer. My > logic tracks barely tickle > it and some are massive with songs. Yup I've seen the MP's. Great value I reckon but I feel I want a 3/4 Express slot and while I love the smallness of my 12" PB I won't miss the small screen. PN

At 4:53 PM +0000 12/3/07, mt100uk wrote: >Hi if you need interoperability with pro tools look at the M-Audio >Lightbridge, it has the >option of M-Powered Protools (additional cost i think) but you can >hang all of your >favourite AD/DAs off it and still use it in both PT and Logic. A few >Pt users I know have >gone for this option as the M-Audio drivers are pretty solid with >logic and PTs. The only >downside is that as it comes, you only get 2x analogue out, so >you'll need to but some >converters/pres, its worth looking at Presonus and RME for these. > What he said. I do this and get 32 simultaneous channels of record in PT MP. Of course, these days I'm using Logic 8 for live recording, but if you have to do PT, the Lightbridge is a good option. I am not sure if there are any features in LE that aren't there in MP that affect audio post, though. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services

Andy Hardwake wrote: > > > "leonhorrocks" <leonhorrocks@yahoo.com.au > <mailto:leonhorrocks%40yahoo.com.au>> wrote: > > > The Traveler looks quite good and has good reviews. Anyone have > another other > > suggestions? Need to be portable for live work. > I really researched the Traveller before deciding not to buy it. There were so many reports about poor support from MOTU that I decided against it. It does have a great feature set, and apparently at least decent preamps. I've just had my fill of hardware and software manufacturers who don't back up their products. Even the best interface is worthless if it breaks down (or becomes nonfunctional after software and OS changes, etc) and there's nowhere to go for help. Skip

Skip Leeds wrote: > I really researched the Traveller before deciding not to buy it. There > were so many reports about poor support from MOTU that I decided against > it. > > It does have a great feature set, and apparently at least decent > preamps. I've just had my fill of hardware and software manufacturers > who don't back up their products. Even the best interface is worthless > if it breaks down (or becomes nonfunctional after software and OS > changes, etc) and there's nowhere to go for help. > > Funny this is the same for just about any product.. Keep in mind the folks that are happily working away often are too busy to come to the internet to post about it. MOTU's support is no better or worse than anyone elses (Ive had much better luck getting responses from MOTU than say Apple).. -- Chris http://www.monotrematamusic.com http://www.myspace.com/monotremata http://www.descentrecords.com

Hey ya'll- i was thinking of the Duet and was wondering if there was any trouble in using only one firewire port for i have a macbook. i heard someone was using this and it seemed to be alright. i only need 2 in's and the sound must be great. no external power though, is the firewire power stable enough not to have the jitter they are so famous for? or something? thank you much and very best- darin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Chris Coccia / Tuesday, December 4, 2007 / 11:35 AM >Skip Leeds wrote: > >>I really researched the Traveller before deciding not to buy >>it. There were so many reports about poor support from MOTU >>that I decided against it. >>It does have a great feature set, and apparently at least >>decent preamps. I've just had my fill of hardware and software >>manufacturers who don't back up their products. Even the best >>interface is worthless if it breaks down (or becomes >>nonfunctional after software and OS changes, etc) and there's >>nowhere to go for help. > >Funny this is the same for just about any product.. Keep in >mind the folks that are happily working away often are too busy >to come to the internet to post about it. FWIW - this is another area in which Metric Halo differentiates itself from the rest of the industry. Their support is world-class; even some of the most basic user questions are often fielded by chief designers and programmers. In addition to support, their commitment to product longevity is another unique characteristic. For example, earlier this year they introduced a free software update for their entire hardware product line that provided control and meta-data integration of their products from within Logic (and other VST/AU/RTAS DAWS); a significant feature that other vendors only offered via the purchase of new hardware systems. In addition, their 2d card showcased at the latest AES further demonstrates a strong commitment to upgrade paths, rather than replacement, of existing products to the most current state-of-the-art DSP technologies.