Hello Everybody, I'd like to ask You what steps I should to take to: 1) learn more, 2) obtain some kind of certificate, 3) become a qualified Logic teacher? I'm thinking about leading some courses; as far as I know there is nobody doing it in Poland. Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Kind regards, Marcin

On 5 nov 2007, at 13.00, zielvis wrote: > Hello Everybody, > Hi Marcin, > I'd like to ask You what steps I should to take to: > 1) learn more, > Stay on this mailing list and save good tips, read the Logic Pro manual, buy and read magazines that publish Logic tutorial columns, buy and read books on Logic, buy and watch DVD's on Logic. But most important: carry out productional projects of different kinds to learn the techniques and the parts of the workflow that may be difficult to understand for a beginner. And pay attention, because you will only be a beginner the first time you try something! Next time you do the same type of work you may already be too experienced for even noticing what you need to emphasize in teaching it to others ;-)) > 2) obtain some kind of certificate, > If a school hires you permanently I guess that teaching employment could be called "some kind of certificate". > 3) become a qualified Logic teacher? > Gather students and teach them! If they are prepared to pay you for your educational services I would say that you are a "qualified" teacher. > I'm thinking about leading some courses; as far as I know there is > nobody doing it in Poland. > Excellent - no competitors! If you are good and know your shit there's nothing to stop you then. Good luck! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international)

> On 5 nov 2007, at 13.00, zielvis wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, > > > Hi Marcin, > > I'd like to ask You what steps I should to take to: > > 1) learn more, > > > > 2) obtain some kind of certificate, > > > If a school hires you permanently I guess that teaching > employment > could be called "some kind of certificate". > > > 3) become a qualified Logic teacher? > > > Gather students and teach them! If they are prepared to pay you > for > your educational services I would say that you are a > "qualified" > teacher. Marcin: Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training that is available. You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I haven't done it and don't know if it is worth the time and expense, but it is available. Level I can be done on line, Level II requires attendance at a course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach these courses....but I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? Check around on the Apple website. Blair

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@...> wrote: > Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training that is available. You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I haven't done it and don't know if it is worth the time and expense, but it is available. Level I can be done on line, Level II requires attendance at a course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach these courses....but I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? > > Check around on the Apple website. > > Blair I think the earliest training for the trainers to re-certify on Logic 8 is mid-November. Logic 101 courses for the end user should soon follow. Doug

>> > Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training >> that is available. > You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I haven't done it > and don't know if it is > worth the time and expense, but it is available. Level I can be done on line, > Level II requires > attendance at a course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach > these courses....but > I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? >> > >> > Check around on the Apple website. >> > >> > Blair > > I think the earliest training for the trainers to re-certify on Logic 8 is > mid-November. Logic > 101 courses for the end user should soon follow. > > Doug Thanks for the info, Doug. I may finally get around to doing some of this... Blair -- blairfisher@shaw.ca

> Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training that > is available. You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I > haven't done it and don't know if it is worth the time and expense, but it is > available. Level I can be done on line, Level II requires attendance at a > course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach these > courses....but I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? > > Check around on the Apple website. Hi Here¹s the links: http://www.apple.com/software/pro/training/courses/ (These pages have not been updated to cover Logic 8 yet). And http://www.apple.com/software/pro/training/trainer.html End-User courses can be taken at Apple Authorized Training Centers. The both 101(Introduction) and 301 (Advanced) courses last 3 days, with an exam at the end of each course. The courses (and the exams) are based on Apple-approved courseware: The 101 book: http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321502922 The 301 book: http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321502884 The Trainer Certification is run by Apple, at Apple offices. The new Logic 8 books and certification exams are due out in December. HTH John

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, John Moores <Moores.Music@...> wrote: > > > Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training that > > is available. You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I > > haven't done it and don't know if it is worth the time and expense, but it is > > available. Level I can be done on line, Level II requires attendance at a > > course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach these > > courses....but I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? > > > > Check around on the Apple website. > > > Hi > > > Here¹s the links: > > > http://www.apple.com/software/pro/training/courses/ > > (These pages have not been updated to cover Logic 8 yet). > > And > > http://www.apple.com/software/pro/training/trainer.html > > > > End-User courses can be taken at Apple Authorized Training Centers. The both > 101(Introduction) and 301 (Advanced) courses last 3 days, with an exam at > the end of each course. > > The courses (and the exams) are based on Apple-approved courseware: > > The 101 book: > > http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321502922 > > The 301 book: > > http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321502884 > > > The Trainer Certification is run by Apple, at Apple offices. > > > The new Logic 8 books and certification exams are due out in December. > > > > HTH > > > > John > Hello, Thank You all for replies. That's what I was looking for :) I only wonder what is the difficulty level of the 101 course (can somebody give me a rough description?). I'm definitely not an expert but already have some experience, I'd be happy if I could decide whether there is much for me to learn to pass this first exam or I'm almost there. Maybe it's possible to see some examples before paying and taking the exam. I'll dig to find. Thanks again! Marcin

"zielvis" <zielvis@tlen.pl> wrote: > Hello Everybody, > I'd like to ask You what steps I should to take to: > 1) learn more, > 2) obtain some kind of certificate, > 3) become a qualified Logic teacher? > I'm thinking about leading some courses; as far as I know there is > nobody doing it in Poland. > Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Kind regards, > Marcin Hi Marcin, I'm an English Logic (7.2.3) user based in Krakow using Logic since 1999. You're very welcome to contact me off-list if you wish. Kind regards, Josh http://www.myspace.com/jonathanstapleton

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "zielvis" <zielvis@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Thank You all for replies. That's what I was looking for :) > > I only wonder what is the difficulty level of the 101 course (can > somebody give me a rough description?). I'm definitely not an expert > but already have some experience, I'd be happy if I could decide > whether there is much for me to learn to pass this first exam or I'm > almost there. Maybe it's possible to see some examples before paying > and taking the exam. I'll dig to find. > > Thanks again! > > Marcin While I haven't seen anything regarding Logic 8 yet, I have been a Logic trainer since version 6 and the course books put out by Apple (see the earlier Peachpit Press links) is what the exams are based on. The books have provided review questions at the end of each chapter - these have been important. The 101 course is not difficult for someone familiar with Logic and is maybe an intemediate level user. What is difficult for many is that the course may well cover areas one hasn't looked at yet. The other part is making sure you use "Logic-speak". Call a channel strip a channel strip, not a fader thing for example. I generally advise anyone wanting to take the courses to buy the book in advance and go through it once on their own. The greatly increases the success rate of passing the exam. You can also choose to challege the 101 course by paying the exam fee at a certified training center and testing there. The 301 course requires you take the 3 day class. The books are really pretty good. I haven't seen the new one yet (it's ordered...) but the author David Nahmani is a sharp guy who is deep into Logic and probably wrote a very good 101 book. Doug

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@...> wrote: > > > >> > Per's advice is all good, but he does not mention the Apple Pro Training > >> that is available. > > You can get official Logic certification at Level I or II. I haven't done it > > and don't know if it is > > worth the time and expense, but it is available. Level I can be done on line, > > Level II requires > > attendance at a course. I know Jonathan Perl and others on this list teach > > these courses....but > > I wonder if there is anything available for Logic 8 yet??? > >> > > >> > Check around on the Apple website. > >> > > >> > Blair > > > > I think the earliest training for the trainers to re-certify on Logic 8 is > > mid-November. Logic > > 101 courses for the end user should soon follow. > > > > Doug > > Thanks for the info, Doug. I may finally get around to doing some of this... > > Blair > -- > blairfisher@... > You're welcome Blair. The whole process (becoming a trainer) has worked well for me. Feel free to contact me off-list if you ever have specific questions. Doug

> The books are really pretty good. I haven't seen the new one yet > (it's ordered...) but the > author David Nahmani is a sharp guy who is deep into Logic and > probably wrote a very > good 101 book. > > Doug So, is David Nahmani doing both levels for Logic 8 (no Martin Sitter)? Blair

> > The books are really pretty good. I haven't seen the new one yet > > (it's ordered...) but the > > author David Nahmani is a sharp guy who is deep into Logic and > > probably wrote a very > > good 101 book. > > > > Doug > > > So, is David Nahmani doing both levels for Logic 8 (no Martin Sitter)? > > Blair > Thanks for the show of good faith, Doug!! Blair, I only wrote the first book, Logic Pro 8 and Logic Express 8, which is the curriculum for the 101 workshop. David Dvorin revised his second book (Logic Pro 8: Beyond the Basics), which is the curriculum for the 301 workshop. To Marcin: 1) Use all the resources you can find. Books, videos, forums are great tools to learn, even the manual is pretty good in Logic 8 (I prefer the online version myself because it is so easy to search). But you also got a ton of good advice in previous answers: keep working in Logic. Produce music, or work in a studio, or both.. you can only learn the tool by using it in a professional situation. 2) There are two levels of end-user certification (Workshop 101 = Level 1, Workshop 301 = Level 2), then there are two levels of trainer certification which correspond to the same curriculums. You can attend the 101 and 301 workshops at any Apple Authorized Training Center such as ours in Los Angeles (http://logicprohelp.com/training.php). Then for trainer certification you will have to contact Apple directly (http://protraining.itechit.com/ act/). 3) I suppose the answers in 1) and 2) both help answer that last question. My best, David Nahmani http://LogicProHelp.com Apple Authorized Training Center

"Kickin' Da Speaker" <kickindaspeaker@...> wrote: > Thanks for the show of good faith, Doug!! You work pretty hard at this stuff. It somewhat defies "logic" that you'd make a bad product...... Doug

I'm most certainly not very experienced in using Score but since I switched to 8/10.5 I have experienced strange things when trying to set up the pages. At the moment I'm involved in a classical piece and the composer sends me files that he have done in Logic 8 but with Tiger. The problem is that there are certain things that simply behaves different in my score. We have tried opening the same song and then doing the same things (while in contact by telephone) and the result is simply different. One problem is that ,after setting up a score ready for print, if we switch off "instument names" in "numbers and names" my score does no longer fit the pages while his does. Another one is that the final bar only has the end lines on my computer while it's not visible on his.......weird.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "HKC" <hkc@...> wrote: > > I'm most certainly not very experienced in using Score but since I switched to 8/10.5 I have experienced strange things when trying to set up the pages. At the moment I'm involved in a classical piece and the composer sends me files that he have done in Logic 8 but with Tiger. The problem is that there are certain things that simply behaves different in my score. We have tried opening the same song and then doing the same things (while in contact by telephone) and the result is simply different. > One problem is that ,after setting up a score ready for print, if we switch off "instument names" in "numbers and names" my score does no longer fit the pages while his does. Another one is that the final bar only has the end lines on my computer while it's not visible on his.......weird. > In fitting the page, a possibility is that you two have differnt printers selected in the page setup window (under main menu file). Not sure about the second, although the same thing could apply. Doug

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "dougzpro" <dzpro@...> wrote: > The 101 course is not difficult for someone familiar with Logic and is maybe an > intemediate level > user. What is difficult for many is that the course may well cover areas one hasn't looked at > yet. The other part is making sure you use "Logic-speak". Call a channel strip a channel > strip, not a fader thing for example. > > I generally advise anyone wanting to take the courses to buy the book in advance and go > through it once on their own. The greatly increases the success rate of passing the exam. > > You can also choose to challege the 101 course by paying the exam fee at a certified > training center and testing there. The 301 course requires you take the 3 day class. Thank You very much once more, Guys. This is the knowledge I was looking for. Now I need to find out more myself - but I know where to look. Doug, Your reply was especially useful, thanks:) Bet regards, Marcin

On Nov 8, 2007, at 6:03 AM, zielvis wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "dougzpro" <dzpro@...> wrote: > > > The 101 course is not difficult for someone familiar with Logic and > is maybe an > > intemediate level > > user. What is difficult for many is that the course may well cover > areas one hasn't looked at > > yet. The other part is making sure you use "Logic-speak". Call a > channel strip a channel > > strip, not a fader thing for example. > > > > I generally advise anyone wanting to take the courses to buy the > book in advance and go > > through it once on their own. The greatly increases the success rate > of passing the exam. > > > > You can also choose to challege the 101 course by paying the exam > fee at a certified > > training center and testing there. The 301 course requires you take > the 3 day class. > > Thank You very much once more, Guys. This is the knowledge I was > looking for. Now I need to find out more myself - but I know where to > look. Doug, Your reply was especially useful, thanks:) > > Bet regards, > > Marcin MacProVideo.com is a fantastic resource. Martin Sitter, one of Logic's original programmers for Emagic teaches many of the modules...and it's quite affordable.

On 11/8/07, Kevin DeShields <kdeshields@apple.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2007, at 6:03 AM, zielvis wrote: > > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "dougzpro" <dzpro@...> wrote: > > > > > The 101 course is not difficult for someone familiar with Logic and > > is maybe an > > > intemediate level > > > user. What is difficult for many is that the course may well cover > > areas one hasn't looked at > > > yet. The other part is making sure you use "Logic-speak". Call a > > channel strip a channel > > > strip, not a fader thing for example. > > > > > > I generally advise anyone wanting to take the courses to buy the > > book in advance and go > > > through it once on their own. The greatly increases the success rate > > of passing the exam. > > > > > > You can also choose to challege the 101 course by paying the exam > > fee at a certified > > > training center and testing there. The 301 course requires you take > > the 3 day class. > > > > Thank You very much once more, Guys. This is the knowledge I was > > looking for. Now I need to find out more myself - but I know where to > > look. Doug, Your reply was especially useful, thanks:) > > > > Bet regards, > > > > Marcin > > MacProVideo.com is a fantastic resource. Martin Sitter, one of > Logic's original programmers for Emagic teaches many of the > modules...and it's quite affordable. > > yeah i second the mac pro video serious very thorough and great as a resource.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "zielvis" <zielvis@...> wrote: > Thank You very much once more, Guys. This is the knowledge I was > looking for. Now I need to find out more myself - but I know where to > look. Doug, Your reply was especially useful, thanks:) > > Bet regards, > > Marcin My pleasure. Happy to help. Doug