Hi All, > The L8 "Save with Assets" seemed like a nicely streamlined version > of the 'Save as Project'; - but perhaps too streamlined. I hope it's pilot error on my part - but it seems like an important thing is missing from the new L8 Save With Assets functionality. In L7 I used to love doing this: I'd save as a project, and then as I'm working along and building the tune and arrangement up, I'd intermittently do a "save as" and add an incremental version number to the newly created song file. So I would end up having one integrated project folder with several different versions of the song file contained in it, saved at different stages of the songs progress along the way; all referencing this one project folder and it's contents - audio files, etc. It worked great. Now in L8, it seems like the new structure won't let me do a "save as" and have it remain contained within the current project folder. It wants to create a new project each time when the Save As command is invoked. Even if you turn off the Include Assets checkbox; it seems to lose it's reference to the main project folder it is residing in. A related consequence of this is the record path functionality. It won't maintain it's connection to the main project folder's Audio Files folder. Can anyone shed any light or insight on this? And a related query: It seems there's no more Set Record Path dialogue that allows for setting the record time or length. So every time I hit record (for audio) now, Logic seems to default to allocating the entire remaining space on the record drive each time. Is there really no where to set this? It goes against all the conventional wisdom we have been taught all these years about disk fragmentation and allocating record times in advance. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.elikrantzberg.com http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

It won't maintain it's connection to the main project > folder's Audio Files folder. > > Can anyone shed any light or insight on this? > From reading the manual and some hands on with L8, it appears you can just Save As and uncheck the copy audio files, etc. for similar functionality to what you mention. A big part of 8 is changing our nomenclature: no more use of the word "Project". It appears to enforce creating a new Song folder for each unique "Save As" of Save. I would just save the alternate version to a subfolder of the parent Song, unchecking all the Asset boxes. It will reference the data files within the original Song. Neil

On Oct 2, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > It won't maintain it's connection to the main project >> folder's Audio Files folder. >> >> Can anyone shed any light or insight on this? >> > >> From reading the manual and some hands on with L8, it appears you can > just Save As and uncheck the copy audio files, etc. for similar > functionality to what you mention. Right. That is something you have to do every time. > A big part of 8 is changing our nomenclature: no more use of the > word "Project". > > It appears to enforce creating a new Song folder for each unique "Save > As" of Save. I would just save the alternate version to a subfolder of > the parent Song, unchecking all the Asset boxes. It will reference the > data files within the original Song. I guess that is the intention but instead of making things easier they just made things harder and more confusing. I smell the slimy tentacle of Apple all over this particular "enhancement". To something that the Emagic crew had gotten into a perfect condition in previous versions and I must say this is one of very few aspects of L8 that just irritates the hell out of me.

Eli Krantzberg <elik@videotron.ca> wrote: > Now in L8, it seems like the new structure won't let me do a "save > as" and have it remain contained within the current project folder. > It wants to create a new project each time when the Save As command > is invoked. Even if you turn off the Include Assets checkbox; it > seems to lose it's reference to the main project folder it is > residing in. A related consequence of this is the record path > functionality. It won't maintain it's connection to the main project > folder's Audio Files folder. Before I got L8 I was afraid of this "save as" wierdness, but I don't think I'm getting the problem that Eli has. I still haven't completely figured out the record path functionality system, but once I get a song in it's project going, I can "save as" to my hearts content and all new audio will be in the same project folder just as in L7. Many versions of the same song in one folder with all of the audio in one place. That said, I understand and agree with Dennis's gripes about the changes in the "save as" dialog. The BIG difference is, as Dennis mentioned, but should be emphasised again, is the lack of a "move files" option in the save as dialog box. The big difference comes when you want to split one project into multiple songs, and have your audio files appropriately organized. The lack of a "move" option can definitely be a pain. -Eric 2 x 3 GHz Quad 4 GB L8 (waiting for the 8.01 exterminator)

Eli Krantzberg <elik@videotron.ca> wrote: > It seems there's no more Set Record Path > dialogue that allows for setting the record time or length. File [menu] > Project Settings > Recording It's where it should have been from the beginning, even back before the concept of "project" and we just had "song settings". But the record path will always default to the Audio Files folder of the Project folder. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...> wrote: > > Eli Krantzberg <elik@...> wrote: > > It seems there's no more Set Record Path > > dialogue that allows for setting the record time or length. > > File [menu] > Project Settings > Recording > > It's where it should have been from the beginning, even back > before the concept of "project" and we just had "song settings". Hi f-erenc, I've looked there. I don't see any option for setting the recording time / length. Only the location. Eli Krantzberg

> I've looked there. I don't see any option for setting the recording > time / length. Only the > location. As I just read, there is no such thing as recording time anymore. (And that that was so simple it didn't need attention.. I guess it does) ;o) Maurits.

"f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...> wrote: >> File [menu] > Project Settings > Recording "elikca" <elik@videotron.ca> wrote: > I don't see any option for setting the recording > time / length. Only the location. Ooops, I didn't read your initial post clearly. This feature is gone (it caused way way way way way more problems than solved them). Phew, that's 50 less tech support calls a year now for me! The workaround is to place a meta event where you want to recording to STOP. So in a MIDI region, create Meta Event #52 via the Event List. This region could be on any track, even an audio track. Hell, stick one of these in somebody else's Arrange when they aren't looking. Hilarity will ensue! f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

> > > This feature is gone (it caused way way way way way > more problems than solved them). Phew, that's 50 > less tech support calls a year now for me! > > The workaround is to place a meta event where you want > to recording to STOP. > > So in a MIDI region, create Meta Event #52 via the > Event List. This region could be on any track, even an > audio track. > > Hell, stick one of these in somebody else's Arrange when > they aren't looking. Hilarity will ensue! > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > I wasn¹t aware there was any need to do this. I looked through the manual and couldn¹t find any reference to it except that the max recording times in AIFF and Wave are considerably less than the CAF format. I¹ve been simply recording and stopping when I¹m done. So far no nasty side effects. I also love the fact that it seems to be drawing the wave form display as it records so it doesn¹t have to take up time afterwards. Is there any problem recording without a predetermined limit? James

f-erenc wrote, regarding the absence of "recording time limits": > This feature is gone (it caused way way way way way > more problems than solved them). Phew, that's 50 > less tech support calls a year now for me! > > The workaround is to place a meta event where you want > to recording to STOP. > > So in a MIDI region, create Meta Event #52 via the > Event List. This region could be on any track, even an > audio track. James Ryan <jeryan@optonline.net> >Is there any problem recording without a predetermined limit? Some people like to record unattended. So it'll stop automatically. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

f-erenc wrote: ...place a meta event where you want to recording to STOP...create Meta Event #52 via the Event List...Hell, stick one of these in somebody else's Arrange when they aren't looking. Hilarity will ensue! That is the most devious [and hilarious] thing I've ever heard. cheers to all, ~aegis