Hi Steven, > In addition, please 'rethink yourselves different', and release > version 7.3 of Logic Pro with [snip] and Save with Assets. I feel your frustration. FTR a kind of "save with assets" is already there in L7. Under the File menu you have the option to "Save As Project". This calls up a dialogue box where you can choose which associated files you want included with the about to be created project. They don't use the term assets, but it is essentially the same thing. > The L8 release has produced a polarized response - many love/like it > and many hate/dislike it. I'm admittedly in the latter camp, FWIW, I'm just plowing on ahead with L8 and forging ahead. I figure it'll be either now or later. So, may as well get on board now. And truthfully, it's really not bad once you resign yourself to changing your workflow - although admittedly transitioning is a slow process (for me anyway). And all the more so due to my decision to relearn all the key commands from the new defaults. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.elikrantzberg.com http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > Hi Steven, > >> In addition, please 'rethink yourselves different', and release >> version 7.3 of Logic Pro with [snip] and Save with Assets. > > > I feel your frustration. FTR a kind of "save with assets" is already > there in L7. Under the File menu you have the option to "Save As > Project". This calls up a dialogue box where you can choose which > associated files you want included with the about to be created > project. They don't use the term assets, but it is essentially the > same thing. Gee. Not just "a" form L7 has a *Vastly Superior* form of the same thing. The L7 way is about 1000 times better and I can't imagine why they changed it. In L7 using the "save as project" function just mentioned I can easily break up a logic song that actually may contain many individual songs into the individual songs and and move the files into the new project folders without any effort at all and without having to copy files when all I wanted to do in the first place was moved them. The loss of the "save as project" item in the L8 menu is very near the biggest item on my list of things that L8 fucked up. That and the fact that you can't open pre Logic 5 songs actually kid of compete for #1. >> The L8 release has produced a polarized response - many love/like it >> and many hate/dislike it. I'm admittedly in the latter camp, > > FWIW, I'm just plowing on ahead with L8 and forging ahead. Me too and though I have a few complaints the improvements vastly outweigh them. For example I notice a strange silence on the topic of the new sample accuracy within the arrange page. I used to hear people talking about this issue as if it were a deal killer. Well now its been fixed so where is the cheering? Or how about the fact that there is no longer a song length limit. Pretty cool and pretty major fundamental change so why does nobody say nuthin?

Dennis Gunn wrote: .....though I have a few complaints the improvements vastly outweigh them. For example I notice a strange silence on the topic of the new sample accuracy within the arrange page. I used to hear people talking about this issue as if it were a deal killer. Well now its been fixed so where is the cheering? Or how about the fact that there is no longer a song length limit. Pretty cool and pretty major fundamental change so why does nobody say nuthin? And the edit page in the EXS, the Inspector (well I like it, I know some don't), the "Fix Value" (in hyper edit) key command, the tracking folders etc..... Of all the things that I had hoped the upgrade would contain only track delaying in samples wasn't included so to me Logic 8 is a huge improvement.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, dennis gunn <dennis@...> wrote: > > > On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > > > Hi Steven, > > > >> In addition, please 'rethink yourselves different', and release > >> version 7.3 of Logic Pro with [snip] and Save with Assets. Unfortunately i don't think this will happen. > > > > > > I feel your frustration. FTR a kind of "save with assets" is already > > there in L7. Under the File menu you have the option to "Save As > > Project". This calls up a dialogue box where you can choose which > > associated files you want included with the about to be created > > project. They don't use the term assets, but it is essentially the > > same thing. > > Gee. Not just "a" form L7 has a *Vastly Superior* form of the same > thing. > > The L7 way is about 1000 times better and I can't imagine why they > changed it. For you maybe, but as a lecturer, teaching this, it makes it a whole lot less hit and miss for new users. > > In L7 using the "save as project" function just mentioned I can > easily break up a logic song that actually may contain many > individual songs into the individual songs and and move the files > into the new project folders without any effort at all and without > having to copy files when all I wanted to do in the first place was > moved them. I think the new 'forced' project folder system beats the old, create a song, then save as project thing which could inadvertantly leave things out. I'd love logic to go further and allow, 'non logic' assets, like Reaktor ensembles and samples for third party stuff (like phatmatik). Dunno if its possible, but it would make my life easier (if it worked properly!) > > The loss of the "save as project" item in the L8 menu is very near > the biggest item on my list of things that L8 fucked up. That and > the fact that you can't open pre Logic 5 songs actually kid of > compete for #1. > > > >> The L8 release has produced a polarized response - many love/like it > >> and many hate/dislike it. I'm admittedly in the latter camp, > > > > FWIW, I'm just plowing on ahead with L8 and forging ahead. > > Me too and though I have a few complaints the improvements vastly > outweigh them. Agreed > > For example I notice a strange silence on the topic of the new sample > accuracy within the arrange page. Hell, i'm cheering! Has anyone else noticed that the movement of regions in the arrange page is now finer than in the evnt list... I presume this is a sign of moving from tick based timing to sample accurate. > > I used to hear people talking about this issue as if it were a deal > killer. > > Well now its been fixed so where is the cheering? > > Or how about the fact that there is no longer a song length limit. Hehe, people are never satisfied, software revision seems integrated with the socialist (well communist) idea of ongoing revolution ;-) Once they're there, they want new stuff. > > Pretty cool and pretty major fundamental change so why does nobody > say nuthin? > I'm definitely finding Logic different and on the whole better, but i think its going to be a while until i'm as fluent as i was at 7.x. There are a few things that need fixing (ie new additions that don't work out as hoped/expected) but on the whole I'm very pleased with the new version. Its inevitable the update will upset some people who have tied their workflow to the 'legacy' version of doing things. I have a feeling most people are like me and slogging their way through the new way of doing things and its only the problems that are popping up here, Mike

dennis gunn <dennis@spn1.speednet.ne.jp> wrote: >For example I notice a strange silence on the topic >of the new sample accuracy within the arrange page. >I used to hear people talking about this issue as >if it were a deal killer. >Well now its been fixed so where is the cheering? It has been discussed, but it's not the kind of thing that needs much further elaboration or explanation. Unlike discussing, say, L8's new low-latency mode. dennis gunn <dennis@spn1.speednet.ne.jp> wrote: >Or how about the fact that there is no longer a song length limit. >Pretty cool and pretty major fundamental change so why >does nobody say nuthin? Again, it has been discussed but it needs even less explanation than the sample accurate thing. Much explanation needed to exist on the problems with a 70 minute @ 120BPM 4/4 limitation and how to work around this. Now that the song length limitation is for all intents and purposes beyond what anybody might need (it's not infinite, but it might as well be, like the fact that the amount of MIDI tracks isn't infinite, but it might as well be), then the concept of even discussing a song-length limitation no longer exists (as it always had for ProTools since day-1 and probably for various other apps). That fact that it was VERY VERY difficult to implement into Logic8 is irrelevant. It's one of those things I don't consider a cool new feature, but more in the category of a bug fix... something that should have never existed in a program created in the early 1990's. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>