Hello, I have been experiencing very strange behaviour with entering lyrics in the Score Editor. In particular, hitting tab (which according to the manual will advance and create a lyric object under the next midi note) works maybe 1/6th of the time. The other times I honestly can not figure out what it does. Seems to have a mind of its own. I have come across some postings that said this was a bug with the 7.0 release of Logic but had been fixed with the updates. I have all the updates installed but still get funky behaviour. Has this bug not been fixed or is there something I am not doing correctly? Is there a work around or some sort of settings that will stabilize the behaviour? I am a new user with Logic and went the Logic route in particular because of the great job Microsoft, er I mean Apple, did marketing the score editing features. I can not begin to explain the last two weeks of frustration and late nights trying to get lyrics into songs. Tell that Apple is not as bad as Microsoft in promising the world but not being able to deliver. If my last bastion of hope for mankind is just as rotten as what comes out of Redmond I will have to swear off technology for the rest of my life. Thanx Jim

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jim McPh" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Jim McPh <jmcphee@...>: > > Hello, > > I have been experiencing very strange behaviour with entering lyrics in the > Score Editor. > > In particular, hitting tab (which according to the manual will advance and > create a lyric object under the next midi note) works maybe 1/6th of the > time. The other times I honestly can not figure out what it does. Seems > to have a mind of its own. > > I have come across some postings that said this was a bug with the 7.0 > release of Logic but had been fixed with the updates. I have all the > updates installed but still get funky behaviour. Has this bug not been > fixed or is there something I am not doing correctly? Is there a work > around or some sort of settings that will stabilize the behaviour? > > I am a new user with Logic and went the Logic route in particular because of > the great job Microsoft, er I mean Apple, did marketing the score editing > features. I can not begin to explain the last two weeks of frustration and > late nights trying to get lyrics into songs. Tell that Apple is not as bad > as Microsoft in promising the world but not being able to deliver. If my > last bastion of hope for mankind is just as rotten as what comes out of > Redmond I will have to swear off technology for the rest of my life. > > Thanx > > Jim > I've done a few projects with it this year in 7.2.3 and it seems to work as advertised for me. Make sure you've selected the pencil tool to add the first lyric, not the text tool. If you're using a grand staff or other multiple staff system, make sure the lyrics are snapping to the correct notes. Don't worry about them ligning up where you want them right away: you can easily line up lyrics (and chord symbols) with the key command "Align object positions vertically" I'm on a dual G5 (maybe you're Intel chip?), OS 10.4.10, Logic Pro 7.2.3. Doug

Ah... the pencil tool. I bet you every 6 times I had the pencil tool selected and it worked. I think I also skipped the first update and went directly to the second update. I will try the pencil tool first and if I am still having problems I guess i will have to re-install, update sequentially and see if that eases my pain. Thank you very much for your response. Jim

Well, the pencil tool did not do the trick. I un-installed/re-installed Logic with sequential updates and that too did not do the trick. So I created a new song file and rebuilt the song and bingo... well sort of. The lyric objects started to behave as they should kind of. Still a bit funky as it takes a bit of waving the mouse pointer (with the Lyric object choosen) over the midi notes before the note events start showing up as they should in the tool tip bubble. Three weeks of late nights with little sleep and less progress. I am sure I will love this product once I learn its quirks and work-arounds and become fully initiated in its subtle ways, but by that time I expect Apple to have released a revolutionary audio editing product that brings their flagship audio editing suite back up to Apple's usability standards. Having come back to Apple after a 7 year hiatus with an unfortunate assumption that "Logic Pro" - being an Apple Pro App. - would by de-facto have the enjoyable usability associated with most of Apple products I am more then a little frustrated and unfortunately more then out of the necessary cash to update to the next version of Logic when it is finally released. Thanx for all the help. Jim

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jim McPh" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Jim McPh <jmcphee@...>: > > Well, the pencil tool did not do the trick. > > I un-installed/re-installed Logic with sequential updates and that too did not do the trick. > > So I created a new song file and rebuilt the song and bingo... well sort of. The lyric objects > started to behave as they should kind of. Still a bit funky as it takes a bit of waving the mouse > pointer (with the Lyric object choosen) over the midi notes before the note events start showing > up as they should in the tool tip bubble. > > Three weeks of late nights with little sleep and less progress. I am sure I will love this product > once I learn its quirks and work-arounds and become fully initiated in its subtle ways, but by that > time I expect Apple to have released a revolutionary audio editing product that brings their flagship > audio editing suite back up to Apple's usability standards. > > Having come back to Apple after a 7 year hiatus with an unfortunate assumption that > "Logic Pro" - being an Apple Pro App. - would by de-facto have the enjoyable usability > associated with most of Apple products I am more then a little frustrated and unfortunately > more then out of the necessary cash to update to the next version of > Logic when it is finally released. > > Thanx for all the help. > > Jim > You're welcome for a bit of advice. Sorry it's not working quite right. Are you on an Intel chip computer? That may explain its odd behavior. It's a great program - I use the Score Editor for a lot of projects and overall it works pretty well. Let's hope the next release will have improved upon existing features without adding a major bug set...... Doug

Yes, I am on an Mac/Intel. My only conclusion after countless hours trying to get the lyrics to enter correctly in the score editor is that lyrics with v7.2.3 are buggy. So much so that if I had Steve's number I would phone him and ask for a refund. Problem: Hitting tab button highlights lyric object currently editing instead of advancing to next midi note. Solution: Fight and live with it. Very disappointed.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jim McPh" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Jim McPh <jmcphee@...>: > > Yes, I am on an Mac/Intel. > > My only conclusion after countless hours trying to get the lyrics to enter correctly in the score editor is that lyrics with v7.2.3 are buggy. So much so that if I had Steve's number I would phone him and ask for a refund. > > Problem: Hitting tab button highlights lyric object currently editing instead of advancing to next midi note. > > Solution: Fight and live with it. > > Very disappointed. > Well, Logic 8 is out - maybe it's fixed..... I bought mine today - haven't had any time other than to install it (that's 2-3 hours right there). Doug

Well, to add to my sad story... I bought the academic version. Paid for it July 7th, received it around August 8th, internet connection was down till August 22th so could not download patches (out of the box Logic Pro was pretty much broken on intel macs so for the first two weeks I was fighting trying to get non-functional software to work - lost three recording sessions highly inspired I might add by my shiny new Mac), since then recorded one song to learn the score editing features as that is why I went 'Logic Pro" in the first place, been fighting with the one song since trying to get to the point where I can "stream" in lyrics as fast as they pop in and out of my head. So when you add it all up, I have spent $500.00 on now obsolete buggy software for a month of sleepless frustrating nights wasting my time trying to figure out work arounds to an apparently version 7 release software. If I did not develop software for a living I would be going postal. As it is I can feel the developers angst knowing that users out in the real world are going to find some disappointing features..er I mean bugs. Nature of the beast. Thanx for keeping up the dialog and keeping me company in my misery. I am working with my supplier for a refund so I can get Logic Studio. If my supplier can not help I am hoping to be able to contact someone from Apple as it is such a sad sad story - especially since I've maxed my credit out on this venture. Based on my experience I do not want to be stuck with a version of Logic I can not upgrade because it appears there is still loads of room for improvement. If I only knew then what I know now. Jim

Phoned Apple HQ last night. Funky behaviour reproduced, no work arounds provided, no encouragement that a patch will be released now that Logic 8 has been released. Puts me a month behind sleep and $500.00 in the hole. What a wonderful ride.

When i get home i will (BEFORE updating) try this out. i have been writing lead sheets with logic for a little while without too much trouble...but i also am on a crusade to get the score editor fixed..so i guess i have had too much trouble. i honestly don't remember this particular problem being insurmountable...and i am on a macbook pro.

It does work as it is supposed to some of the times but I have yet to find any rhyme or reason to it. Assume that there is a way to trick into working correctly as in the end it is just logic (no pun intended).