I can't find it anywhere on the the Apple site, free or otherwise. The earliest update I can find is 7.2.1, which requires 7.2 installed. I'm currently on 7.1.1 thanks M

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Taylor" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Steven Taylor <steev@...>: > > I can't find it anywhere on the the Apple site, free or otherwise. > The earliest update I can find is 7.2.1, which requires 7.2 installed. > > I'm currently on 7.1.1 > > thanks > > M > This is a recurring issue currently, Apple (in their wisdom) have withdrawn the update to 7.2 from 7.x. I would try and get them on the phone and work your way up to someone who can get you a copy ;-) Oh and its a paid upgrade, but not that much. Mike

Hi Steven, you were able to update to 7.2 until a little while ago, but they have now withdrawn the offer (it cost 50 usd). I called Apple support regarding this today (myself I am on 7.0.1), and I was told that the they have most likely withrawn it because there is a new version coming soon (which you will be able to update to). But if you want to upgrade now you need to call Apple help, and they will still provide you with 7.2 upgrade for 50 usd I was told. Regards Per

On Sep 1, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Steven Taylor wrote: > Message posted by Steven Taylor <steev@polyfather.com>: > > I can't find it anywhere on the the Apple site, free or otherwise. > The earliest update I can find is 7.2.1, which requires 7.2 installed. > > I'm currently on 7.1.1 ** This has been mentioned in multiple threads. The upgrade is no longer available. Call Apple and escalate your request, you might get an update. However, it could well be superseded by a new Logic version within weeks to months. SL

Steven Taylor wrote: > > Message posted by Steven Taylor <steev@polyfather.com > <mailto:steev%40polyfather.com>>: > > I can't find it anywhere on the the Apple site, free or otherwise. > The earliest update I can find is 7.2.1, which requires 7.2 installed. > > I'm currently on 7.1.1 > > thanks > > M Contact Apple Tech Support. They should be able to help you out...they did me. Dave

Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box for getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video monitor? I¹m noticing there¹s a delay and sync problem, and I can¹t figure out if it¹s coming from Logic or the box. James

On 02/09/2007, at 6:40 AM, James Ryan wrote: > Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box for > getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video > monitor? I’m > noticing there’s a delay and sync problem, and I can’t figure out > if it’s > coming from Logic or the box. I use one and it's always been fine except if the movie file has an audio track and that audio track is at a different sample rate to Logic's working sample rate. If it is you can use Quicktime pro to export another movie file without audio track or with audio track at the correct sample rate. Cheers ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

> On 02/09/2007, at 6:40 AM, James Ryan wrote: > >> Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box >> for >> getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video >> monitor? I’m >> noticing there’s a delay and sync problem, and I can’t figure out >> if it’s >> coming from Logic or the box. Hey Jim, don't know if that may help you, but here's my story: I work on ProTools doing sound-to-picture in a professional production house. The movies are played back by ProTools thru that Canopus piece. After I scored some sound and exported it so that trhe video cutter could align the mix to the video in his editor we ha sync issues so that I asked him what could be the problem. He told me that the Canopus is well-known to need an offset adjustment of 24 frames. I could set it in ProoTools and same should be possible in any DAW I think. Give it a try all best m

<quotes fixed by admin> On 9/1/07 8:12 PM, "Paul Najar" <pnajar@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > On 02/09/2007, at 6:40 AM, James Ryan wrote: > >> Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box for >> getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video >> monitor? I‚m >> noticing there‚s a delay and sync problem, and I can‚t figure out >> if it‚s >> coming from Logic or the box. > > I use one and it's always been fine except if the movie file has an > audio track and that audio track is at a different sample rate to > Logic's working sample rate. If it is you can use Quicktime pro to > export another movie file without audio track or with audio track at > the correct sample rate. > > Cheers > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Paul Najar Thanks Paul, I just checked it and the movie VO is at 48k, same as my working environment, so that doesn't seem to be it. I did recently upgrade to OS X 10.4.10, and I've heard a few people are noticing some anomalies with it. Due to other problems, I recently had to do a clean install and the headaches with serial numbers, etc for my plugs really makes it a tough decision to backgrade to 10.4.9. I sent the same question to Canopus to see if they had any idea what's going on. Another part of the weirdness is if I set the video to firewire output, but the audio to system output (Mac out, not Canopus out), the audio jumps way out of sync, probably 4-6 frames ahead of the video. That was my first clue that there was a serious video delay. This, of course makes scoring impossible with this box. Sigh. James

James Ryan <jeryan@optonline.net> wrote: >Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box for >getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video monitor? I?m >noticing there?s a delay and sync problem All Firewire video (DV) has latency, so you have to manually set latency compensation. Logic menu > Preferences > Video > External Video to Song "External" in this context means: Firewire. Try about 22 quarterframes for the Canopus box. There will likely be virtually zero latency when watching to video on the computer monitor. In fact, I don't know in which context do you need to have latency compensation for INTERNAL video. There used to be a bug in Logic whereby the latency compensation for video was applied also during STOP/PAUSE. This was wrong, since there is no latency when the video is showing a still frame, so the latency compensation meant the video was early in the opposite direction while viewing a still frame. Fixed in Logic 7.x. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

<quotes repositioned and trimmed, footers removed by admin> On 9/1/07 8:46 PM, "Maxim Milyutenko" <miluten@gmail.com> wrote: > don't know if that may help you, but here's my story: > > I work on ProTools doing sound-to-picture in a professional > production house. The movies are played back by ProTools thru that > Canopus piece. After I scored some sound and exported it so that trhe > video cutter could align the mix to the video in his editor we ha > sync issues so that I asked him what could be the problem. He told me > that the Canopus is well-known to need an offset adjustment of 24 > frames. I could set it in ProoTools and same should be possible in > any DAW I think. Hey Maxim and f-erenc- Not sure how PT works, but 24 frames is quite a bit more than is needed here. I'm finding it to be about 5-6 frames. I just tried the Video Prefs setting for External Video To Song, and F-erenc's email hit my inbox suggesting I do just that. It appears that setting it to -22 Quarter Frames does look pretty good. Also with this setting as he mentioned, it appears to only have an effect while streaming. When I stop the video, insert a click right on a picture cut to test it, then playback, if the offset is zero, the click sounds early, with the -22 setting it looks perfect although somewhat less than that, say -12 to -14 also looks pretty good. Guess the Logic folks saw this coming and created an option to deal with semi pro boxes. I say semi pro as this box is pretty cheap and all the instructions talk about home videos and VCRs. I previously had an Aurora Fuse X PCI card that became obsolete with OSX 10.4.10. The company is now out of business so I have another expensive paper weight. The card was frame accurate and worked flawlessly. Ah well, I guess if the offset fixes the problem, there is no real problem. Thanks to all for the input. James

> > On 02/09/2007, at 6:40 AM, James Ryan wrote: > > > >> Is anyone on the list using the Canopus ADVC110 firewire AD/DA box > >> for > >> getting the QuickTime video in logic up to an analog video > >> monitor? I'm > >> noticing there's a delay and sync problem, and I can't figure out > >> if it's > >> coming from Logic or the box. > >Hey Jim, > >don't know if that may help you, but here's my story: > >I work on ProTools doing sound-to-picture in a professional >production house. The movies are played back by ProTools thru that >Canopus piece. After I scored some sound and exported it so that trhe >video cutter could align the mix to the video in his editor we ha >sync issues so that I asked him what could be the problem. He told me >that the Canopus is well-known to need an offset adjustment of 24 >frames. I could set it in ProoTools and same should be possible in >any DAW I think. > >Give it a try > >all best > > >m Actually as I understand it the offset varies from system to system, so you may need to experiment. But there is some inherent delay in every FireWire video transcoder. There can also be additional delay at the monitor---LCD on occasion and plasma nearly always, but not usually on tube monitors.

James Ryan <jeryan@optonline.net> wrote: >Not sure how PT works, but 24 frames is quite a bit more than is needed >here. I'm finding it to be about 5-6 frames. I just tried the Video Prefs >setting for External Video To Song, and F-erenc's email hit my inbox >suggesting I do just that. It appears that setting it to -22 Quarter Frames >does look pretty good. Also with this setting as he mentioned, it appears >to only have an effect while streaming. When I stop the video, insert a >click right on a picture cut to test it, then playback, if the offset is >zero, the click sounds early, with the -22 setting it looks perfect although >somewhat less than that, say -12 to -14 also looks pretty good. Guess the >Logic folks saw this coming and created an option to deal with semi pro >boxes. > >I say semi pro as this box is pretty cheap and all the instructions talk >about home videos and VCRs. I previously had an Aurora Fuse X PCI card that >became obsolete with OSX 10.4.10. The company is now out of business so I >have another expensive paper weight. The card was frame accurate and worked >flawlessly. Ah well, I guess if the offset fixes the problem, there is no >real problem. Maxim probably meant to say "24 quarter-frames" and not 24 frames (which would be a humongous 96 quarter-frames). Anyway, the setting in ProTools and Logic is quarter-frames, not frames. It was deemed that this was enough resolution. Going all the way down to bits (there are 80bits in a frame) would have been overkill. Yep, those old Miromotion and Aurora cards were way way way way way way better than Firewire DV boxes. Somebody even made OSX drivers for one of these cards (both maybe?). Another advantage of these cards is that you're not suck on 3.7MB/Second. You can choose other resolutions (I always chose much lower, and the picture quality was more than good enough for scoring and spotting and editing. The filesize was therefore way smaller, and there were less problems with throughput streaming). f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>