I know this may seem controversial, but truth is the interface in Logic is seriously shabby - just compare it to the new Soundtrack Pro and Garageband. In the next update of Logic (which I have to say is overdue - all the other major DAWs - DP, Cubase and Sonar - have been updated in the past year) Apple should scrap the current interface, which looks about 10 years old, and use the modern layout of Garageband as a foundation on which to build the new Logic. Another thing Apple need to do is to trim away the unnecessary features that make Logic bloated; for example whats the point of have so many different types of reverbs, when all you need is the Platinum reverb. Logic has an abundance of software instruments, but most of them really sound dated, especially compared to the NI stuff. Heres a suggestion: they should keep Sculpture and Ultrabeat, and discard the others. The EXS needs to be completed revised as it is difficult to use and pales in comparison to the other samplers out there (esp. Kontakt) Now that Soundtrack Pro 2 has been announced, I really do think Apple need to launch the new Logic before its too late (and everyone migrates to Cubase 4 or Pro Tools). Soundtrack Pro 2 clearly has a better interface and audio editing capabilities than Logic, and this is simply unacceptable since Logic is meant to be Apple's flagship audio application!

> Message posted by zidzidane <zidzidane@yahoo.com>: > > In the next update of Logic (which I have to say is overdue - all the > other > major DAWs - DP, Cubase and Sonar - have been updated in the past year) > Apple should scrap the current interface, which looks about 10 years old, > and use the modern layout of Garageband as a foundation on which to build > the new Logic. If Apple does that I personally will be the first one to stay away from upgrading. > > Another thing Apple need to do is to trim away the unnecessary features > that > make Logic bloated; for example whats the point of have so many different > types of reverbs, when all you need is the Platinum reverb. ???!!! > > Logic has an abundance of software instruments, but most of them really > sound dated, especially compared to the NI stuff. ???!!! > Heres a suggestion: they > should keep Sculpture and Ultrabeat, and discard the others. ...And by doing this screw up their loyal customers who have been working with those for years and years and have really enjoyed working with them... > > Now that Soundtrack Pro 2 has been announced, I really do think Apple need > to launch the new Logic before its too late (and everyone migrates to > Cubase > 4 or Pro Tools). For the record I am not going anywhere even if 7.2.3 is the last version ever :-) . I don't mind seeing some elements of STP interface in Logic and would be really happy to see advanced surround capabilities and further enhancements, but I will be the first to oppose any "new" and "advanced" features a'la GarageBand at the expense of environment or any good old features we've been using and really enjoying for more than a decade. This is my first and last post on the subject. Best, Andy

On May 3, 2007, at 8:44 AM, zidzidane wrote: > Now that Soundtrack Pro 2 has been announced, I really do think > Apple need > to launch the new Logic before its too late (and everyone migrates > to Cubase > 4 or Pro Tools). Soundtrack Pro 2 clearly has a better interface > and audio > editing capabilities than Logic, and this is simply unacceptable > since Logic > is meant to be Apple's flagship audio application! Funny, Cubase 4 and Logic look pretty similar to me, and Cubase 4 WAS just updated. PT 7 has had the same basic interface for a long time, so has DP.... I don't understand this "we gotta have an update of Logic or I'm outta here" thing going on. Logic Pro 7.2.3 works very well, I can do most anything on it that I want to do, I haven't had to pay for anything major in a long time, and if I want the latest greatest plug- ins, no problem. Take care, George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Music is the best (FZ)... Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

George Leger III responded: >Funny, Cubase 4 and Logic look pretty similar to me, and Cubase 4 WAS >just updated. PT 7 has had the same basic interface for a long time, >so has DP.... > >I don't understand this "we gotta have an update of Logic or I'm >outta here" thing going on. Logic Pro 7.2.3 works very well, I can do >most anything on it that I want to do, I haven't had to pay for >anything major in a long time, and if I want the latest greatest plug- >ins, no problem. > >Take care, George Leger III I have to agree with George on this; I'm happy, and it isn't costing me ~$300 every year. The funny thing is that over on the Final Cut forums, many people are complaining *because* there is another update ("I just updated last year... blah, blah"). They're upset that they keep having to pony up more cash for the new features. LUG'ers are getting impatient, OTOH. Feature envy versus upgrade equilibrium... an elusive balance. Be patient. Logic will be upgraded... eventually. I thought it would be announced/released at Musikmesse; I was wrong. It also seems a fairly good bet that Logic 8 (by whatever name) will look much more like the other Apple Pro Apps (FCP, Motion, STP). We can only hope that it doesn't look like GarageBand or ProTools, IMHO. Adding a few PT features would be great; as long as it doesn't feel like PT. Ken

zidzidane <zidzidane@yahoo.com> wrote: > the interface in Logic is seriously shabby Aha! This is what was meant as "not Y2K compatible" f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

>I know this may seem controversial, but truth is the interface in Logic is >seriously shabby If someone offered you a Rolls Royce with slightly dirty windows and a scratch on the fender, would you also be so critical? Hell, I seem to be able to make a really good living with Logic 7.2.x just as it is. In fact, I'm so busy using all the unbelievable softsynths and effects that I hadn't noticed how shabby it had become. Maybe your monitor is dirty?

On May 4, 2007, at 12:44 AM, zidzidane wrote: > Message posted by zidzidane <zidzidane@yahoo.com>: > > I know this may seem controversial, but truth is the interface in > Logic is > seriously shabby - just compare it to the new Soundtrack Pro and > Garageband. Personally I like every thing about the current Logic interface better than either of those. > Another thing Apple need to do is to trim away the unnecessary > features that > make Logic bloated; for example whats the point of have so many > different > types of reverbs, when all you need is the Platinum reverb. ?!?!?!?!? Woa!!! > Logic has an abundance of software instruments, but most of them > really > sound dated, especially compared to the NI stuff. Heres a > suggestion: they > should keep Sculpture and Ultrabeat, and discard the others. The > EXS needs > to be completed revised as it is difficult to use and pales in > comparison to > the other samplers out there (esp. Kontakt) Golly that is yet another splendid idea. Here are some more: Since I only ever call a few people why don't we just get rid of all those numbers in the phone book that I personally don't use. I have never used a tampon in my life and they take space in the supermarket, lets outlaw them. Since I can play any Gary Glitter song with just my index fingers why don't we just cut the other three fingers off everyone's hands. > Now that Soundtrack Pro 2 has been announced, I really do think > Apple need > to launch the new Logic before its too late (and everyone migrates > to Cubase > 4 or Pro Tools). Soundtrack Pro 2 clearly has a better interface > and audio > editing capabilities than Logic, and this is simply unacceptable > since Logic > is meant to be Apple's flagship audio application! If that is the way you feel there is a really easy solution. Just go to those programs.

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On May 4, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Clive Young wrote: > I thought trolls were in fairy tales? The ones in fairy tails are clever.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "zidzidane" <forums@...> wrote: >the interface in Logic is seriously shabby >whats the point of have so many different types of reverbs, when all >you need is the Platinum reverb. >The EXS needs to be completed revised as it is difficult to use and >pales in comparison to the other samplers out there (esp. Kontakt) Don't encourage him. This is textbook, finding a forum of fans and launching targetted attacks on favorite features. Even if he believes it, everyone knows his best choice would be to use another product. Sonny Keyes Ricochet Audio Toronto

>>the interface in Logic is seriously shabby > >>whats the point of have so many different types of reverbs, when all >>you need is the Platinum reverb. > >>The EXS needs to be completed revised as it is difficult to use and >>pales in comparison to the other samplers out there (esp. Kontakt) > > Don't encourage him. This is textbook, finding a forum of fans and > launching targetted attacks on favorite features. Even if he believes > it, everyone knows his best choice would be to use another product. > > Sonny Keyes > Ricochet Audio > Toronto > If for no other reason let's change up so we can stop repeatedly seeing the incorrect grammar in the subject line .... Brad

Sonny Keyes wrote "Don't encourage him. This is textbook, finding a forum of fans and launching targetted attacks on favorite features. Even if he believes it, everyone knows his best choice would be to use another product" Do you understand the concept of constructive criticism? I wasn't trying to say Logic is garbage, I am saying that Logic needs a major makeover. A few years ago when Logic 7 came out, it was probably the most advanced and powerful DAW out there. But since then the other DAWs have caught up. Cubase 4 is just as good as Logic when it comes to midi and arguably has better plug-ins. Ableton is getting stronger all the time. Pro-Tools, which is the industry leader, absolutely kills Logic when it comes to audio editing - and has made significant progress in midi, plug-ins virtual instruments - just look at the new Structure and Tape Reel Suits plug-ins. Meanwhile in the last 2 years Logic has seen no new features! I really do feel Apple have neglected it; Soundtrack Pro and Garageband get updated every year. It seems like you guys on this forum are stuck in the past and don't actually ever want Logic to improve. Over time a music program has to evolve, innovate and keep up with the competition or else no one is going to buy it, and it gets dropped by the software maker because it doesn't sell.

> Message posted by zidzidane <zidzidane@yahoo.com>: > Meanwhile in the last 2 years Logic has seen no new features! I really do > feel Apple have neglected it; Soundtrack Pro and Garageband get updated > every year. Easy: STP and GB are relatively new applications that really need to be updated just to keep them alive, while Logic has more than 2 decades of history, and its current state allows Apple to switch their attention elsewhere while we are working with (arguably) the most stable version. Agreed with your point regarding Pro Tools. Otherwise I couldn't care less about the other apps out there and all the bells and whistles they offer as I am absolutely happy with what I have in Logic and more importantly I am way too busy to look elsewhere. Just MNSHO. Best, Andy