Hi, I'm thinking about becoming an "Apple Certified Pro" to have the possibility to do workshops for instance, it would cost me 100 Euros, do you think it is worthwhile? Are there any "Pros" on this List? Best Regards, Frank Valet

"James Regan" <jamesreganmusic@rogers.com> wrote: >Hi, I'm thinking about becoming an "Apple Certified Pro" >to have the possibility to do workshops for instance, it >would cost me 100 Euros, do you think it is worthwhile? >Are there any "Pros" on this List? No Logic expert I know is "certified". Perhaps that's because this whole certification thing is relatively new, and all the experts I know have been using Logic for many years and thus any schooling would have little or no benefit. However, I'm sure that a non-expert will definitely learn stuff at these courses. It could be a fast-track to some things you'll learn after months/years of experience, but it's definitely not a complete replacement for months/years of experience either. I know a few certified folks who are definitely not "experts". They're competent, but lack the years of experience (not just of Logic, but of computers and audio in general). Getting certified doesn't make you an expert, but it doesn't prevent it either. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

On May 2, 2007, at 7:47 PM, f-erenc szabo wrote: > No Logic expert I know is "certified". Perhaps that's > because this whole certification thing is relatively new, > and all the experts I know have been using Logic for > many years and thus any schooling would have little or > no benefit. I've written 2 Logic training tutorials, no certified. I was going to finally get it, but that was to be able to teach in an "Official Apple Certified" school. > > However, I'm sure that a non-expert will definitely learn > stuff at these courses. It could be a fast-track to some > things you'll learn after months/years of experience, but > it's definitely not a complete replacement for months/years > of experience either. I agree. I still learn things from the local LUG here in LA every time I attend, and I've been using full time since Notator Logic Apple V1.0 > > I know a few certified folks who are definitely not "experts". > They're competent, but lack the years of experience (not just > of Logic, but of computers and audio in general). The thing about certification is you learn to teach from the Apple Logic training series books, that format specifically. > > Getting certified doesn't make you an expert, but it doesn't > prevent it either. Take care, George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Music is the best (FZ)... Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

On 2 May 2007, at 21:10, Frank Valet wrote: > Hi, I'm thinking about becoming an "Apple Certified Pro" to have the > possibility to do workshops for instance, it would cost me 100 Euros, > do you think it is worthwhile? Are there any "Pros" on this List? > Best Regards, Frank Valet Hi, Yes I did it mainly for work reasons. It has helped me in a few ways. Mainly from folks just starting out taking your advice seriously, and in securing orders from Logic based clients. I did learn some things too from reading the peachpit Logic books as I didnt take the courses, just the exam. Al. Alan Bailey, M.D Grizzly Media, A/V Technology,Support, Authoring and Muse Receptor Specialist. www.grizzlymedia.co.uk email: alan@grizzlymedia.co.uk

> > On 2 May 2007, at 21:10, Frank Valet wrote: > > > Hi, I'm thinking about becoming an "Apple Certified Pro" to have the > > possibility to do workshops for instance, it would cost me 100 Euros, > > do you think it is worthwhile? Are there any "Pros" on this List? > > Best Regards, Frank Valet > <logic-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > I'm a "pro" in the original meaning of that word, which is that I get paid for my services. My guess is that the tendency to go with Apples "pro" label differs a lot locally. You should do a market research at the area where you intend to work to see if it really may get you more work. In the real world pro's don't have time to attend such courses since they are too busy producing muisic, so the whole idea of such a "pro certifications" seems a bit odd. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) http://www.myspace.com/looproom

On 2 May 2007, at 21:10, Frank Valet wrote: > Hi, I'm thinking about becoming an "Apple Certified Pro" to have the > possibility to do workshops for instance, it would cost me 100 Euros, > do you think it is worthwhile? Are there any "Pros" on this List? > Best Regards, Frank Valet I'm a Certified Pro Trainer which means I can teach Certified Pro User classes to exam, which I do. I do not really see the point in Apple Pro User certification but I'm not complaining. For Level 1, total newbies will struggle on the short course time and seasoned 'pros' won't need it. Here in the UK, many schools and colleges use Logic and certification may be something they will offer in future in Music Tech., if Logic has the longevity. Paul. Paul C. horselesspaul

On May 2, 2007, at 7:47 PM, f-erenc szabo wrote: >> No Logic expert I know is "certified". Perhaps that's >> because this whole certification thing is relatively new, >> and all the experts I know have been using Logic for >> many years and thus any schooling would have little or >> no benefit. George Leger III <george3@utopiaparkwaymusic.com> wrote: > I've written 2 Logic training tutorials, no certified. I was going to > finally get it, but that was to be able to teach in an "Official > Apple Certified" school. The problem with this circular logic is that it prevents existing experts from enhancing their school's credibility. In any field that only recent becomes accreditable (even if it's only for show), who teaches the future teachers? Previously accredited students? There aren't any at first. Chicken vs. Egg. So the idea is to create an environment where accreditation is held up higher than actual knowledge/experience. If a potential student figures out that a teacher didn't take this same course (forget about the fact that it didn't exist a decade+ ago when the teacher was gaining experience), then Apple might lose a course sale to somebody who wonders "hmmmm, maybe I can also become good at this on my own". Marketing trumps education in this case. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

I am certified Level One. And its not a bad idea if theres people in your area who are interested in learning. The test isnt all that difficult, where as the second and third tests cover more advanced methods. Trainer certification (level 3) would be the best way to go if you plan on conducting workshops. If you don't need the certs for one reason or another, just owning the books is enough insight. My level one certs have been enough for me to teach new users and also refresh older ones. But i insisted on reading book two even though i really didnt need the certs. cheers and good luck in the endaevor. either way its a great way to become a bit more comfy with the app. cheers stephen MO7S