> Message posted by Pascal Heimlicher <pascal@heimlicher.info>: > > You mean the first and only multi-channel audio interface that is fully integrated into Logic Pro. The sound quality and versatility of Ensemble, combined with your favorite Core Audio application provides the most complete, FireWire-based digital audio workstation available. > ;-) > > I not sure yet, Ensemble or Symphony. > > But I thought it's a good combination. I am very curious to hear back from George and find out what he meant by "never ending problems with Ensemble". All I've heard so far was a lot of success stories with one or two people complaining on the earliest beta drivers not working with longer cables (?). Really need to know the details before I take the plunge myself. Best, Andy (Logic Apogee list admin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-apogee )

On May 1, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > I am very curious to hear back from George and find out what he > meant by > "never ending problems with Ensemble". All I've heard so far was a > lot of > success stories with one or two people complaining on the earliest > beta > drivers not working with longer cables (?). Really need to know the > details > before I take the plunge myself. > > Best, > > Andy > (Logic Apogee list admin > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-apogee ) I've owned Ensemble now for about four months, and I'm finding the unit is rock stable running under the newest drivers. Ensemble is especially useful in my set-up now that it has the stand- alone mode so I just set it up like I need to in Maestro to integrate with my Protools 96i/o via ADAT, and use Ensemble's better converters and mic pre when working with Protools. I also use Logic Pro, and Ensemble's integration with LP makes it a breeze to use. Cheers, Craig

On May 1, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > > You mean the first and only multi-channel audio interface that is > fully > integrated into Logic Pro. The sound quality and versatility of > Ensemble, > combined with your favorite Core Audio application provides the most > complete, FireWire-based digital audio workstation available. > > ;-) > > > > I not sure yet, Ensemble or Symphony. > > > > But I thought it's a good combination. > > I am very curious to hear back from George and find out what he > meant by > "never ending problems with Ensemble". All I've heard so far was a > lot of > success stories with one or two people complaining on the earliest > beta > drivers not working with longer cables (?). Really need to know the > details > before I take the plunge myself. > > Best, > > Andy > (Logic Apogee list admin > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-apogee ) Hi Andy, Problems with the Ensemble: 1) It often needs to be reinitialized. It seems that the Ensemble looses contact with the Mac Pro way too often. Then the digital outs stop working, but the headphone out's do... It's gotten so bad that one client uses headphones when working on deadlines in order to avoid becoming frustrated. I don't have any specific issues that cause this that I can quote off the top of my head... sorry. I end up dealing with allot of people over a month, so I can't remember every specific issue, only generalities. 2) Not being allowed to run System sound digitally at the same time as Logic. The Maestro application's patch bay only allows the user to assign one audio stream to one set of outputs. Because of this, my client must run their system sound through analog outputs. This means adding a mixer just to monitor itunes. He does soundtrack work, and requires referencing older material all the time. I know he could simply drag and drop the files into Logic but this would mean multiple copies of data potentially all over the place. I can do this kind of thing with any of my other FW devices, why not the one that costs so much money, and is supposed to be the end all be all... 3) Unreliability when using FW drives on the same bus. This isn't an Apogee specific issue, but it still makes FW a poor choice over a PCI based audio card. Also, Logic has a hidden extra buffer for firewire audio the end user has no control over. That means higher latency. Rant on.... All this said, I do want to explain why some people have become so disillusioned: Most of these guys are "old school". They come from a time when most recording was done on 24 track decks through big consoles. Most of the "pro" studio's have either a tech on site, or on call. If an issue came up, it was usually dealt with quickly. Unfortunately today, there are way too many "tech" people who don't have the answers, or end up breaking a system when trying to fix it... I find that even when I need to contact tech support for most companies, the people on the phone either don't have a clue, call back days later when the issue requires an immediate answer, or the worst, you get an auto reply by email with a suggestion of things to try out. Heck, even Apple charges $200 for a tech support call... and often doesn't know an issue that has been brought up on the LUG for months. Rant off.... Take care, George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Music is the best (FZ)... Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

George, Problem #1, as far as the Ensemble losing contact with Mac, was resolved for me when I installed the last few firmware updates. I can't speak to the digital out problem or problem #2. Problem #3, yes having a FW drive on the same bus causes some funkiness. Matt

On May 1, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > George, > > Problem #1, as far as the Ensemble losing contact with Mac, was > resolved for me when I installed the last few firmware updates. I > can't speak to the digital out problem or problem #2. Problem #3, > yes having a FW drive on the same bus causes some funkiness. > > Matt I will always recommend a PCI based audio card over FW... Take care, George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Music is the best (FZ)... Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

Hi Friends, I'm experiencing that Logic's MIDI arpeggiator do not work when Logic is slaving to MIDI Clock sync. Has anyone else seen this? Any hints on how to solve the problem? All my arpeggiation setups work fine when Logic's sync is set to internal. When following external MIDI Clock the MIDI input is being stuck in the arpeggiator. Per Boysen