Someone mentioned that you could do a simple mixdown (just to hear it in the car or something) by mixing down to a stereo pair. I have about 40 tracks, midi, audio and instruments. How do I go about doing that? fm

--- foxymoron <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > Someone mentioned that you could do a simple mixdown > (just to hear it in the > car or something) by mixing down to a stereo pair. I > have about 40 tracks, > midi, audio and instruments. How do I go about doing > that? > you need to set up a sub out in the environment and route all of your tracks through this. Then click on the "bounce" button on this sub and it will create a stereo track for your listening pleasure. JP

> --- foxymoron <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: >> Someone mentioned that you could do a simple mixdown >> (just to hear it in the >> car or something) by mixing down to a stereo pair. I >> have about 40 tracks, >> midi, audio and instruments. How do I go about doing >> that? On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:44 PM, james page wrote: > you need to set up a sub out in the environment and > route all of your tracks through this. Then click on > the "bounce" button on this sub and it will create a > stereo track for your listening pleasure. James, I am unclear on how to set up a sub out in the environment. Is that an audio object? I looked at the list of things to create and could see no output or sub out anywhere. I assume the routing is done through the outputs in the arrange window channel strips or right on the environment mixer, correct? Thanks for responding. I tried just recording my tune with Wire Tap Pro it didn't have any of the Logic effects or the midi parts. I'm hoping that this set up will allow me to create a stereo pair that I can make an mp3 of. Thanks! fm

Go to a track in the environment window and see what the output is set to. You should be monitoring through Output 1 & 2 on each track. If so...double click on output 1 & 2 on the fader object and it will take you to the output section. There is a Bounce button at the bottom of the output fader. Click on that and you will be asked what format/s you wish to bounce in (.aif, .wav. mp3 etc) and where you wish to put the resulting file. Just check you're not peaking the outputs and bounce away! Cheers Clive Young

>I am unclear on how to set up a sub out in the environment. Is >that an audio object?¨ It is an audio object and sub is spelled backwards and is actually called bus. Just create an audio object and in the infobox (on the left side of the screen) choose bus instead of whatever it is. Remember to change it to stereo (and 16 bit inside the box that pops up after clicking on bounce) before bouncing or you will get an incompatible mono file. I would think there already was at least one bus which is all you need. PS I know that the term sub is correct in mixer language I just thought that it was funny that it was bus backwards.

On 4/11/07 11:28 PM, "Jeffrey Curtis" <napoleontrio@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >> > --- foxymoron <forums@logic-users.org <mailto:forums%40logic-users.org> > >> wrote: >>> >> Someone mentioned that you could do a simple mixdown >>> >> (just to hear it in the >>> >> car or something) by mixing down to a stereo pair. I >>> >> have about 40 tracks, >>> >> midi, audio and instruments. How do I go about doing >>> >> that? > > On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:44 PM, james page wrote: >> > you need to set up a sub out in the environment and >> > route all of your tracks through this. Then click on >> > the "bounce" button on this sub and it will create a >> > stereo track for your listening pleasure. > > James, I am unclear on how to set up a sub out in the environment. Is > that an audio object? I looked at the list of things to create and > could see no output or sub out anywhere. I assume the routing is done > through the outputs in the arrange window channel strips or right on > the environment mixer, correct? Thanks for responding. I tried just > recording my tune with Wire Tap Pro it didn't have any of the Logic > effects or the midi parts. I'm hoping that this set up will allow me > to create a stereo pair that I can make an mp3 of. Thanks! > > fm > > > Bouncing is a very basic procedure in Logic. You don¹t need to set up sub outs or mess with the environment at all. Just select bounce under the File menu, and carefully look at your options. You can even bounce straight to mp3. It will put everything you hear (usually output 1 & 2) into a stereo track. I am assuming you have your tracks assigned to output 1 & 2. The only exceptions are any external MIDI tracks ­ those don¹t go through Logic. If you are using a Quicktime synth or external MIDI hardware you will hear the tracks but they won¹t go into your bounce. The easiest solution is to use Logic Audio Instruments instead of MIDI tracks. They do bounce. HTH Blair -- blairfisher@shaw.ca

foxymoron <napoleontrio@comcast.net>: > Someone mentioned that you could do a simple mixdown If your entire audio stream is being routed to just a stereo output pair in Logic, then use the BNCE (bounce) feature at the bottom of the output fader. If your audio stream is being mixed externally, then you could take that stereo output and patch it into a spare stereo input of your audio interface and just record onto a stereo track (make sure this track doesn't feedback - MUTING it is the easiest). Then the resultant interleaved stereo file(s) can be burned onto a CD using iTunes. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@...> wrote: >The only exceptions are any external MIDI tracks ­ those don¹t go >through Logic. If you are using a Quicktime synth or external MIDI >hardware you will hear the tracks but they won¹t go into your bounce. > >The easiest solution is to use Logic Audio Instruments instead of MIDI >tracks. They do bounce. HTH And then again when the external synth is creating the exact sound you want and the Logic softsynths don't recreate it perfectly there are other possibilities: What I do is run the output of my external MIDI device into a different pair of inputs on my audio interface (I have an old MOTU 828 with 8 ins) and create a stereo audio track with that pair as the input. If I put that track into record, I can record a track with all the MIDI from the external box into my Logic song, then I mute the MIDI tracks, mix the new track in to taste and bounce. If you're happy with the softsynths you don't need to do this, it's only if your external MIDI device is creating an essential element for the piece. HTH Sonny Keyes Ricochet Audio Toronto

james page wrote: > > you need to set up a sub out in the environment and > route all of your tracks through this. Then click on > the "bounce" button on this sub and it will create a > stereo track for your listening pleasure. This is something I never did. What happens when you click on the bounce button by the master fader? When I do that Logic asks me where I want to save the file and what to name it. When the bounce is done Logic dithers it and I have a file that I know the name of and where it's located. Then again I'm still stuck on LAW 5.5.1 on PC. Maybe things have gotten more complicated since. Steve

> james page wrote: >> > >> > you need to set up a sub out in the environment and >> > route all of your tracks through this. Then click on >> > the "bounce" button on this sub and it will create a >> > stereo track for your listening pleasure. On 4/12/07 7:32 AM, "Steve Chandler" <schandlr@dwx.com> wrote: > This is something I never did. What happens when you click on the > bounce button by the master fader? When I do that Logic asks me where I > want to save the file and what to name it. When the bounce is done > Logic dithers it and I have a file that I know the name of and where > it's located. Then again I'm still stuck on LAW 5.5.1 on PC. Maybe > things have gotten more complicated since. > > Steve Nope ­ actually things have gotten easier in this respect. You don¹t even have to know where your master fader is now (although of course you should!) You can simply select bounce from the file menu and do as you describe. Blair -- blairfisher@shaw.ca

Hi fm wrote > >I am unclear on how to set up a sub out in the environment. Is >that an audio object? I looked at the list of things to create and >could see no output or sub out anywhere. It's an output object, and is a subtype of 'audio object'. Click on 'channel' in the parameters box for any audio object and you'll get a massive popup with multiple types that your 'audio object' can be; one of these is 'stereo output'. You probably have one already though, because I think there's usually one in a logic song by default (unless it's been deleted). You can check by opening the mixer and shift-clicking until just the 'global' and 'output' buttons are lit. If there's an output object it will show up (if you click just 'output' and not 'global' then it will only show up if it's in the Arrange). It will have a 'bounce' button on it, which, if you hit it, will create your mix of all existing active regions in the arrange. I keep my output object at the top of the Arrange for easy access in the mixer for bouncing. When bouncing, it's good to create a cycle which is at least as long as the longest regions beginning-to-end, and make it active before hitting bounce. This avoids some bugginess in logic's choice of how long to make the output mix. And this also means you can drag the mix back in from the Audio window, plop it onto a Monitor track (or any track you like), and automatically line it up nicely with the start of your cycle so you're in exact sync with the Arrange timing (in case you want to do any A/B comparisons). steven r.

On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:10 AM, Sonny Keyes wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@...> > wrote: > >> The only exceptions are any external MIDI tracks those don¹t go >> through Logic. If you are using a Quicktime synth or external MIDI >> hardware you will hear the tracks but they won¹t go into your bounce. >> >> The easiest solution is to use Logic Audio Instruments instead of >> MIDI >> tracks. They do bounce. HTH > > And then again when the external synth is creating the exact sound you > want and the Logic softsynths don't recreate it perfectly there are > other possibilities: > > What I do is run the output of my external MIDI device into a > different pair of inputs on my audio interface (I have an old MOTU 828 > with 8 ins) and create a stereo audio track with that pair as the > input. If I put that track into record, I can record a track with all > the MIDI from the external box into my Logic song, then I mute the > MIDI tracks, mix the new track in to taste and bounce. > > If you're happy with the softsynths you don't need to do this, it's > only if your external MIDI device is creating an essential element for > the piece. HTH > > Sonny Keyes > Ricochet Audio > Toronto > This makes no sense to me. Why would changing the inputs on the interface make a difference. The external midi device is already going into two inputs of my Traveler. I can hear it fine in the mix, but I can't seem to figure out how to record audio coming from my external midi module. Logic seems to see the incoming signal, but it won't record it. This is so insanely easy to do in DP, you'd think Logic would at least be somewhat on top of that. I appreciate all the responses and I am trying each one, but I have had no success so far. I'm going to turn everything off and restart in case it's a glitch between Logic and the Traveler. Man, this is frustrating. fm

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Curtis <napoleontrio@...> wrote: > > > On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:10 AM, Sonny Keyes wrote: > > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@> > > wrote: > > > >> The only exceptions are any external MIDI tracks those don¹t go > >> through Logic. If you are using a Quicktime synth or external MIDI > >> hardware you will hear the tracks but they won¹t go into your bounce. > >> > >> The easiest solution is to use Logic Audio Instruments instead of > >> MIDI > >> tracks. They do bounce. HTH > > > > And then again when the external synth is creating the exact sound you > > want and the Logic softsynths don't recreate it perfectly there are > > other possibilities: > > > > What I do is run the output of my external MIDI device into a > > different pair of inputs on my audio interface (I have an old MOTU 828 > > with 8 ins) and create a stereo audio track with that pair as the > > input. If I put that track into record, I can record a track with all > > the MIDI from the external box into my Logic song, then I mute the > > MIDI tracks, mix the new track in to taste and bounce. > > > > If you're happy with the softsynths you don't need to do this, it's > > only if your external MIDI device is creating an essential element for > > the piece. HTH > > > > Sonny Keyes > > Ricochet Audio > > Toronto > > > > This makes no sense to me. Why would changing the inputs on the > interface make a difference. The external midi device is already > going into two inputs of my Traveler. I can hear it fine in the mix, > but I can't seem to figure out how to record audio coming from my > external midi module. Logic seems to see the incoming signal, but it > won't record it. This is so insanely easy to do in DP, you'd think > Logic would at least be somewhat on top of that. I appreciate all the > responses and I am trying each one, but I have had no success so far. > I'm going to turn everything off and restart in case it's a glitch > between Logic and the Traveler. Man, this is frustrating. Aha! Well, you are already doing most of what I'm describing, just with a different audio interface. I seriously don't understand why Logic wouldn't record it back in, unless you are trying to get your external MIDI instruments to be added into a Bounce. A Bounce is a digital creation of the computer (you can even do it faster than real time, although sometimes the results aren't as good) so your realtime MIDI instruments won't be added in unless (as described above) you first record a stereo audio track of those instruments so Logic has a digital file of their sounds to calculate into the Bounce. IHTH Sonny Keyes Ricochet Audio Toronto

On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Sonny Keyes wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Curtis <napoleontrio@...> > wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:10 AM, Sonny Keyes wrote: >> >>> --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Blair Fisher <blairfisher@> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The only exceptions are any external MIDI tracks those don¹t go >>>> through Logic. If you are using a Quicktime synth or external MIDI >>>> hardware you will hear the tracks but they won¹t go into your >>>> bounce. >>>> >>>> The easiest solution is to use Logic Audio Instruments instead of >>>> MIDI >>>> tracks. They do bounce. HTH >>> >>> And then again when the external synth is creating the exact >>> sound you >>> want and the Logic softsynths don't recreate it perfectly there are >>> other possibilities: >>> >>> What I do is run the output of my external MIDI device into a >>> different pair of inputs on my audio interface (I have an old >>> MOTU 828 >>> with 8 ins) and create a stereo audio track with that pair as the >>> input. If I put that track into record, I can record a track with >>> all >>> the MIDI from the external box into my Logic song, then I mute the >>> MIDI tracks, mix the new track in to taste and bounce. >>> >>> If you're happy with the softsynths you don't need to do this, it's >>> only if your external MIDI device is creating an essential >>> element for >>> the piece. HTH >>> >>> Sonny Keyes >>> Ricochet Audio >>> Toronto >>> >> >> This makes no sense to me. Why would changing the inputs on the >> interface make a difference. The external midi device is already >> going into two inputs of my Traveler. I can hear it fine in the mix, >> but I can't seem to figure out how to record audio coming from my >> external midi module. Logic seems to see the incoming signal, but it >> won't record it. This is so insanely easy to do in DP, you'd think >> Logic would at least be somewhat on top of that. I appreciate all the >> responses and I am trying each one, but I have had no success so far. >> I'm going to turn everything off and restart in case it's a glitch >> between Logic and the Traveler. Man, this is frustrating. > > Aha! Well, you are already doing most of what I'm describing, just > with a different audio interface. I seriously don't understand why > Logic wouldn't record it back in, unless you are trying to get your > external MIDI instruments to be added into a Bounce. A Bounce is a > digital creation of the computer (you can even do it faster than real > time, although sometimes the results aren't as good) so your realtime > MIDI instruments won't be added in unless (as described above) you > first record a stereo audio track of those instruments so Logic has a > digital file of their sounds to calculate into the Bounce. IHTH > > Sonny Keyes > Ricochet Audio > Toronto > > Thanks, Sonny. I finally figured out how to get the midi tracks in as audio. Man, the nomenclature in Logic is just so confusing! They really should sit down and see if they can't come up with better terms for some of these overlapping ideas (the Create Track command, for instance), naming instruments?regions?tracks?Audio objects? Lord. fm