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> > On 02.07.2008, at 21:01, stephband@... wrote: > > I find the MIDI capabilities of MainStage frustrating. Since they > > 'split' Logic into Logic and MainStage > > In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote: > There was no "split", MainStage is an independet application. > > > I've been wondering how to get > > the functionality of my beloved Environment back into the live > > things I > > do. > > Quite easy. Continue using Logic. The environment is still here. > > The only thing that changed is that Logic does no longer follow MIDI > clock. I hope you do not depend on that. > > > :::::::::: > Peter Ostry I do depend on MIDI Clock, particularly when syncing multiple instances of Augustus Loop from a tapped tempo. I'd like not to, but I do. The MIDI clock issue is exactly what I mean by 'split'. Granted, it's a 90/10 split, but what happened was they syphoned off some functionality that never quite worked properly - I'm talking MIDI clock and the ability to use Tap Tempo and multiple Audio Instruments at the same time - and stuck it in a separate application. I had these things working beautifully in 7.1.1 - there were other reasons I could not continue to use that version. I seem to remember stability being a major one, oh yeah, and the shift to Intel. Ok, so MainStage does a bit more besides, but I consider it a split. Cheers, Stephen. P.S. I'm now considering turning to ChucK or Impromptu to get the MIDI functionality I want, and it made me wonder if Apple might consider augmenting the Environment with a scripting language. Essentially it is already, except with a graphic way of depicting objects. How awesome would Logic be with a scripted MIDI environment? ------------------------------------

On Sep 19, 2007, at 5:24 , Sascha Franck wrote: > The parameters I usually need, when working on a small single > screen, are: > - Channel Strip. > - Extended parameter box > These are the ones displayed in both. > And I can't seem to reduce the L8 things anymore. Sure, I can switch > of > items in the transport bar, but that won't make it go away. > And while I like the dual channel strip concept, I don't need it all > the > time. I do however need the extended parameter box most of the time, > so > switching the channel strip off entirely won't exactly work anyways. > In (rough) numbers, here's the figures in pixels: > In L7 I'm having around 970x710 pixels of arrange space. > In L8 there's around 880x580 pixels. > This, to me, is almost a massive difference. Dear Sascha, I absolutely agree with you. The loss of useful screen space is pointless eye candy. Much preferred the efficient use of space in L7. The double fader view is fine, but should be an option or preference, not a necessity. Often this view is needless. The transport bar is far too large. The Toolbar takes up too much space, while its own icons are so small as to be rather indiscernible anyway. Who needs it? The useless grey frames around everything compound the problem. Is this a shameless attempt to promote sales of larger displays? By the way, how did you manage to completely hide the Toolbar at the top of the screen? Cheers, ZM ------------------------------------

>Taking the only pedal of a keyboard away to use it otherwise is not >strange, this is I-do-not-say-in-public-what-it-is. I'm not sure what this means Peter, is this some cryptic way of not mentioning an issue that may cause flame war or get the Apple police after you or what? > I finally just deleted the 'surface' from the Control Surfaces window. > It keeps coming back every time I restart Logic, but I can cope... > I'll definitely try deleting the bundle as you suggest in hopes of a > more permanent solution. >In case you get tired of fighting against Logic :-) do this: >Quit Logic. Right-click (ctrl-click) "Logic Pro.app" and choose "Show >package contents" from the contextual menu. A new window opens. >Navigate to "Contents/MIDI Device Plug-ins" and find the file >"microKONTROL.bundle". Drag it out to a place where you can find it >later, just in case you want to use it. >Btw, I use two control surfaces and I have only this two in the >program folder. All others reside in a Folder "Logic Pro Surfaces" >right beneath the program. >Peter Ostry This is good information Peter,I get a little uneasy digging around in the contents folder. Out of curiosity,what two control surfaces are you using now, and are you using LC Xmu with either? Best! Alan Hayes ------------------------------------

>The most important part of the recording/mixing process... >...is mastering. Don't skimp. Have someone else do it. Someone amazing. >Anything less is what I call false economy. You'll become 10 times >the mixer you were by watching the guy work and keeping your mouth shut! >Mark L. Funny, because I have heard some mastering engineers charge more if you are present during the mastering process! Maybe if you did keep you're mouth shut you wouldn't incur that extra cost? Also for those interested in books on recording,mastering,etc.... Tape Op magazine issue #65 May/June 2008, in the letters to the editor column,has a great many books listed by various contributers on their top 5 picks of such reads. Great magazine at a great price!FREE! Best! Alan Hayes ------------------------------------

Hi All, this is something i've always struggled with in Logic. Is there a way to audition, quickly!, the order of sections played in a song file? i know other sequencers do this. a long time ago i had to learn DigitalPerfomer, and you could take Chunks (sections of the song), enter into a playlist and then change the order easily. if not, i'd like to know how other users deal with this issue, thanks Tom ------------------------------------

Hi folks, I just used Software Update to 10.5.4 on my Macbook and on board sound no longer works. Looking in prefs, "built in audio" has been replaced with "no inputs devices found" and "HD Audio Output". Anyone else had this and know how to fix it? Cheers, Robert. ------------------------------------

eartoyz wrote: > I tried various compensation settings to no avail. > Is there a solution to this? >Did you also check the record delay parameter in the audio driver preference >tab? You will have to setup a negative delay there. To find out exactly how >much it is, you could rerecord both the original synth and the already >recorded signal, both panned hard left and right to a stereo track and then >compare the sides in the sample editor. Set it to show the samples and zoom >in, then measure the offset in samples. Use this value as a negative >recording delay in the audio driver menu. For this test I recommend using a >sound with a strongly noticeable attack. >Btw, which audio interface are you using? Interfaces producing negative >recording offsets usually have very bad drivers and you should probably >think about getting something else. The audio interface I use is the Apogee Ensemble and it uses the native Apple firewire driver and the MIDI interface I use is the Unitor 8 MKII USB. Colin Shapiro was nice enough to send me a couple of different MIDI drivers for the Unitor, but this didn't really help either.There are no other devices on the firewire bus either. Regards Sascha >Alan, >this is just normal, Logic must compensate for all those latency >inducing plugins. The only way IS to find proper delays for your MIDI >going outside. In my setup I set the part of my TB-303 delayed by 17 >ms, directly in the arrange page. That works fine - in this >particular song. Probably you may have to readjust in another song >which may use less plugins etc. >maxim There are no plug-ins in this song, well actually I did try using the external instrument to see if this made any difference, but no luck there either. I played with buffer settings, no difference,I turned on and off plugin delay comp,no difference, BTW this is with a brand new song not made from any template, only one audio track and only one MIDI track, I played with recording delay getting closest recording delay is set to 118 and the audio on beat 1 would be late then on 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.......it would be early, then on bar 25 it was right on time and then it started to get later for every consecutive beat, then on bar 29 or so it would jump back to being early and start the whole early late process over again.Crazy! Apple saw fit to take away the ability to sync to an external MIDI clock in version 8, now I have to send my clients a clock and record their data and send it back via MIDI to their workstation and it won't record in time!? This is happening with my clients Korg Triton using the Unitor and also happening with my Roland Fantom XR via it's USB MIDI Thanks Sascha and Maxim for your suggestions though ------------------------------------

On 03.07.2008, at 11:05, stephband wrote: > I do depend on MIDI Clock, ... Then you are out. If you want to continue with the Apple system you have to use MainStage and make your MIDI processing somwehere else. > Ok, so MainStage does a bit more besides, but I consider it a split. MainStage is completely different. On the good and on the bad side. MidiClock was not removed from Logic because of MainStage but because it made problems and was never really reliable. > I'm now considering turning to ChucK or Impromptu to get the MIDI > functionality I want, ... Or Numerology, Max or whatever. Or MidiPipe for small tasks. > and it made me wonder if Apple might consider > augmenting the Environment with a scripting language. Unlikely that there will anything change in the near future if ever. My experience after many years lets me believe that Logic will not get a new or improved environment. :::::::::: Peter Ostry ------------------------------------

On 03.07.2008, at 17:45, House of Hayes wrote: >> Taking the only pedal of a keyboard away to use it otherwise is not >> strange, this is I-do-not-say-in-public-what-it-is. > > I'm not sure what this means Peter, is this some cryptic way of not > mentioning an issue that may cause flame war or get the Apple police > after you or what? I was not brave enough to use bad words in a forum ;-) >> Btw, I use two control surfaces and I have only this two in the >> program folder. All others reside in a Folder "Logic Pro Surfaces" >> right beneath the program. > > This is good information Peter,I get a little uneasy digging around in > the contents folder. No problem at all. It's just a folder with stuff that is used by Logic. And there is Logic itself of course. Just don't mess with anything but the control surfaces and you are fine. > Out of curiosity,what two control surfaces are you using now, and are > you using LC Xmu with either? I use the Presonus surface for a FaderPort and the Logic Control surface via LC Xmu for a Korg KONTROL49 and occasionaly for other controllers. :::::::::: Peter Ostry ------------------------------------

Hi, Am hoping to get a new Mac to run Logic Pro 8 / Logic Pro Studio. Back in 2002, I was shocked when I ran Logic 5 briefly on my rather low-spec PC, and discovered the horror of soft synth latency. I had always used wavetable sounds before - already onboard the soundcards I was using - an AWE32 (with 8Mb Sample DRAM) and a Yamaha DB50XG daughter board. These of course played instantly, with zero latency, as everything was hardware based. But the software synths on the system were impossible to play live. I did manage to tweak ASIO settings to get it down to 11ms of latency...but it was just pathetic, and I stuck to wavetable sounds, and my older Digital Orchestrator Pro software. Now...things have moved on, and I'm hoping to get an Intel MacBook Pro or Desktop Mac Pro (currently not sure, but leaning towards the MacBook Pro, so I can take it around a friend's house to jam), and yet want to make an allowance for a MIDI/Audio interface in my budget. I need something that can take the following inputs: MIDI Keyboard Microphone [pre-amp desirable] Guitar ...yet want to avoid the horrible latency problems I had years ago. I intend to use Logic Pro 8 as my main sequencer, but might dabble in Pro Tools. A few questions then: 1) With today's faster processors, how are soft synths performing? Is MIDI latency still such an issue? 2) What should I look out for, in order to get the lowest MIDI latency possible? 3) Is there an Audio/MIDI interface you'd recommend, that might suit my needs? Yours, Andrew.

Is it possible to change the Software Instrument Track display in the L8 Arrange Window? The current display looks like Garage Band, with MIDI data indicated as lines. In L7, I had musical notes which works better for me. I've already looked in L8 Display Preferences, but didn't see anything relating to this. Pls advise asap. Thank you. Cheers! TTYL AP

> From: Robert Wilson <piesandwhisky@btinternet.com> > Hi folks, > > I just used Software Update to 10.5.4 on my Macbook and on board sound > no longer works. > > Looking in prefs, "built in audio" has been replaced with "no inputs > devices found" and "HD Audio Output". > > Anyone else had this and know how to fix it? > > Cheers, > Robert. A couple things you might do to try and solve this problem. The headphone jack on the computer is a combined digital/analogue jack. Sometimes when unplugging a speaker or headphone cable the jack gets stuck in the digital position. This can cause the error you are getting. If this is the cause, plugging in and unplugging a headphone cable a few times may cause the jack to set back the way it should and then everything works. Another possible cause of the problem may be an issue with the update to 10.5.4. There are known issues that can occur whenever you update using the built-in updater. It is always les risky and may solve the problem to download the complete 10.5.4 update at apple.com/support/updates . This is usually a much larger update file then the auto-updater gives you and is far less likely to cause problems. If a problem with the auto updater was the cause of the problem, downloading and installing this full update file should fix the problem. Of course, before going to all this effort, make sure more simple things like a restart doesn¹t just take care of it. Hans ------------------------------------

On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:09 PM, tomdcarden wrote: > Hi All, > this is something i've always struggled with in Logic. > > Is there a way to audition, quickly!, the order of sections played > in a song file? > > i know other sequencers do this. a long time ago i had to learn > DigitalPerfomer, > and you could take Chunks (sections of the song), enter into a > playlist and then change the > order easily. > > if not, i'd like to know how other users deal with this issue, thanks > > Tom You could put sections of the song in folders. Then you could move the folders around as "chunks." There are many other bulk things you can do with folders. Check out the manual on this. Best, James ------------------------------------

I have a presonus audio interface with MIDI ports and a Korg hardware synth hooked up with MIDI cables to the interface. I've gotten this to work in Digital Performer fine but I can't figure out where to go in Logic 7 to sequence with it. Can someone please help?? Thank you very much. ------------------------------------

Here are a pair of books that might help someone get started... The Mastering Engineers Handbook, Bobby Owsinski, Mix Pro Audio Series. A compendium of mastering technology and techniques with a long list of contributors that reads like a who's who of mastering engineers.  Sage advice form the sages of the ages... Sound Advice On Mastering - Bill Gibson, Pro Audio Press A great little cookbook of tips and techniques and it's got a CD!  I think someone expressed a desire for a book wit ha CD in this thread. Anyway, a lot of good info in a little book. Hope this helps! Randy _,_._,___ ------------------------------------

Just a quick question, I tried to hyperdraw and automate solo during real-time touch/latch and both times the solo feature did not automate. Is it possible to automate solo? I assume that if it appears in hyperdraw you should be able to do it, why would it appear and not be applicable? If anyone has automated solo and knows where I am going wrong and, why even when I draw it, it doesn't react in playback please let me know. Many Thanks, Ivan ------------------------------------

On 03/07/2008, Robert Wilson <piesandwhisky@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I just used Software Update to 10.5.4 on my Macbook and on board sound > no longer works. > > Looking in prefs, "built in audio" has been replaced with "no inputs > devices found" and "HD Audio Output". > > Anyone else had this and know how to fix it? > > Cheers, > Robert. It wasn't a problem here. MB 2.2, 4G RAM. -- with best wishes, John http://abram.ca ------------------------------------

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:08 PM, John Pitcairn <johnp@opuslocus.net> wrote: > You can also exit KONTROL native mode manually from the controller by > pressing scene + setting + message + exit at the same time. This will > kick it out of Logic controller mode. > > John Pitcairn Ah, there's the trick. That works like a charm. Thanks!!! ------------------------------------

On 03/07/2008, stephband <stephband@lineone.net> wrote: > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "John Abram" <johnbabram@...> wrote: > > > Hold the Control key while launching Logic until a dialog appears > > asking if you want to use Audio... > > I use this regularly. > > -- > > Yes, I tried that, but it didn't work as you've described. It didn't > do anything different, in fact. What version are you on? I'm: > > Logic Pro 8.0.2 > OS X 10.4.11 > Intel MBP > It works for me with Logic Pro 8.0.2 / OS X.4.11 / 2G Dual G5 Logic Pro 8.0.2 / OS X.5.4 / MB 2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo Logic Pro 7.2.3 / OS X.4.11 / 768K Quicksilver G4 Is your control key working? -- with best wishes, John http://abram.ca ------------------------------------

Hi, I've got my Logic 8 disks, ready to install, I was just wondering before I take the plunge, is there anything I need to bear in mind (for example, I remember reading a while back that it was a good idea to back up Key Commands before upgrading). I know this is a bit of a self-indulgent question, so I'm happy to be pointed to an FAQ on the upgrade, if such a thing exists? Thanks in advance, Paul -- Paul Zimmer ZAP! (Zimmer Audio Production) www.zimmeraudio.com ------------------------------------

On 04.07.2008, at 00:38, Ivan Walker wrote: > Is it possible to > automate solo? Look at the automation preferences. There are a couple of checkboxes and maybe Solo is off. :::::::::: Peter Ostry ------------------------------------

>>> Hold the Control key while launching Logic until a dialog appears >>> asking if you want to use Audio... >>> >> Yes, I tried that, but it didn't work as you've described. It didn't >> do anything different, in fact. > > On 04.07.2008, at 01:06, John Abram wrote: > It works for me Doesn't work for me neither. MIDI makes crazy things, some feedback through one input for no reason. Hm. Strange. :::::::::: Peter Ostry ------------------------------------

I have what seems to be a serious issue, cause I can't seem to resolve this after 2 days, and nights. My finder/Preferences quits on me when I try to select any other playback app. Logic pro quits on me every time I try to open it , Quicktime quits on me every time also. I've tried everything under the sun. Reinstalling the Apogee software, removed the last plug-ins I installed before this issue, changed the fire-wire cables, even took the Apogee ensemble to a friends house and hooked it up, and the Apogee worked fine. So there off course must be something in my system that is causing this. HEEELLPP!!!!!!

Posted by: "Robert Wilson" piesandwhisky@btinternet.com wilseyboyThu Jul 3, 2008 10:53 am (PDT) > Hi folks, > > I just used Software Update to 10.5.4 on my Macbook and on board sound > no longer works. > > Looking in prefs, "built in audio" has been replaced with "no inputs > devices found" and "HD Audio Output". > > Anyone else had this and know how to fix it? By coincidence I just posted the following to the MOTU-Mac mailing list. Obviously there's no MOTU control panel for built-in audio, but some of this may be applicable to you: FWIW if you happen to do the 10.5.4 update and your PCI-424 card stops being seen by the computer (even after reinstalling the MOTU drivers) - which probably wasn't but could been a coincidence in my case, because I was doing some other monkeying around - then here's a solution: - start up from the 10.5.3 back-up you made before installing 10.4.5; - open MOTU PCI Audio Setup to confirm that the card is being seen; - start up from your regular startup disk and confirm it's there again. Is it necessary to open the Setup program? Who knows; I'd like to be able to pretend that this solution is pure brilliance, but actually I was just trying to see whether the problem was hardware (i.e. with the card) or software. And it may have been both - the card's brain may have become scrambled and then flushed out by this process. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) +1818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434 ------------------------------------