Fwiw, a 7200RPM drive may not only cause more heat issues but will also consume more power, so if battery life is an important thing for you, this might be worth a thought as well. In addition, you can get larger drives at 5400, which, at least to me, is a nice thing. Personally, I am by now using a 320GB Samsung drive (at 5400RPM) with absolutely good results since 3 weeks. Performance figures are just as good as on my old 160 and 250 GB drives. And it was only 75 Euros (incredible prices for harddisks and RAM these days). So I can wholeheartedly recommend this drive. Regards Sascha ------------------------------------

Hi - Saw that digi made their leopard-compatible standalone drivers available on june 20, but so far have only seen some thumbs down messages on getting it to work with digi hardware and logic. Anyone have any luck? (I'm using an 002r, so I'm interested in that in particular.) thanks - Michael ------------------------------------

On 29/06/08 7:27 AM, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@gmx.de> wrote: > > Fwiw, a 7200RPM drive may not only cause more heat issues but will also > consume more power, so if battery life is an important thing for you, this > might be worth a thought as well. > In addition, you can get larger drives at 5400, which, at least to me, is a > nice thing. > > Personally, I am by now using a 320GB Samsung drive (at 5400RPM) with > absolutely good results since 3 weeks. Performance figures are just as good > as on my old 160 and 250 GB drives. And it was only 75 Euros (incredible > prices for harddisks and RAM these days). So I can wholeheartedly recommend > this drive. > > Regards > Sascha > > I recently had the same decision to make, and I ended up choosing the 7200 rpm drive. I was fortunate to have two identical MBP (17² 2.5 GHz) to test, except for the drives. I tested the biggest drive available from Apple (300 GB @ 4200 rpm) vs. the fastest drive (200 GB @ 7200). So, I wasn¹t using a 5400 rpm drive, although my last MBP had that drive, so I have tried all three recently. In my case, I found significant benefits doing things like opening projects, copying files and saving projects. The 7200 rpm was much faster at those kinds of tasks, and I decided that the whole computer felt much more responsive with the 7200 rpm drive. To give just one example, saving a copy of the ³Plaid-Faster² demo song took 138 seconds on the 4200 drive, and 86 seconds on the 7200 drive. I found that the tasks I tried ranged from 30% to 100% faster on the 7200 rpm machine. Remember that these are disk intensive tasks, and certainly won¹t affect everything you do. The hard drive contents were also not identical, since I had loaded more stuff on the 4200 rpm drive when I did the test, but I think the results are valid enough to make me choose the 7200 rpm drive. I don¹t regret my decision, although it means I have to be more selective about how much junk I put on the drive. I have ordered a small bus powered RAID drive that I plan to use for samples etc. So, if you are storing your songs and samples on an external drive the speed of the internal drive may not be as important. However, I always felt my last MBP was sluggish, but that could have been for other reasons. The new machine with the 7200 rpm drive certainly feels more responsive at this point. I also don¹t find that this computer runs any hotter than my last one which had the 5400 drive. It actually doesn¹t seem to get very hot at all, so I really don¹t think that is a function of the drive as much as the general design of the computer. Sascha¹s comment about battery life is probably true, although I usually use the MBP plugged in. Blair -- blairfisher@shaw.ca ------------------------------------

Hi all, Does the crescendo transform function work? I've searched through the archive and on the internet (not forgetting checking the manual), but all the methods mentioned don't seem to work. This is so infuriating - I feel like it should be a simple thing to do, and it certainly used to be when I was on LAW 5.5.1 (admittedly an age ago)! Can anyone talk me through it please? I'm on Logic 7.2, MBP Intel C2D Thanks in advance, Martin ------------------------------------

Hey all. Based on several positive recommendations here I just purchased and installed Plugsound Pro. But it consistently fails validation, and though I can force Logic to use it anyway, it's a little annoying and disconcerting. For the moment I'm running this in Logic 7.23 under Tiger 10.4.11. Does this plugin pass AU validation for anybody else, or is this just a necessary evil to use it? Thanks for any info. ------------------------------------

>> Apple yesterday released Pro App Update 2008-02. It says it's >> recommended for Logic >> Studio. However when I try to download it it asks for my Final Cut >> Serial number. I don't own >> Final Cut so does anyone know how Logic users can download it? > > Got it (actually half of it) yesterday via software update. Hi all, Do I need this update for Logic Pro 7? Cheers ANDREW ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Andrew Harrison Phantom Dog Music ABN 89 306 085 735 PO Box 663 Moonee Ponds Victoria 3039 Australia ph/fax: 613-93757605 email: andrew_harrison@metrocs.com.au web: www.andrewharrison.com.au ------------------------------------

hey peter, apologies for this very late response, was out of station. see i tried doing the same with generic controller. but the trouble i am experiencing is, whenever i give "learn" logic is waiting for a fader or knob to be moved and when i touch something, its recognised as pan.... whatever i do, it shows pan... well, may be i will spend some time on it.. which forum were you talking about, "If you are interested in LC Xmu you might want to join the forum there. " just give me the link please. right now, i have plugged my n364 back into action. have to wrap up some projects and m audio exploration costs time much! thanks a ton for your support! ------------------------------------

i got the forum, got into it. :-) thanks! ------------------------------------

Hi everyone. This is my situation: I have 11 drum tracks running in logic 8. theres a part of the song where there's a break, and in this break we overdubbed some cymbals that are meant to fade out over a beat that comes back in - so its like a puch in, and obviously I want it to be on the same drum tracks, but the problem is that the overhang of the cymbals is cut obviously when the beat kicks in. Can anyone suggest a simple way of mixing the two audio files without bouncing every drum track? fades doesnt seem to be an option... Ainz.

On 30/06/2008, at 10:43 AM, Sean McCoy wrote: > Hey all. Based on several positive recommendations here I just > purchased and installed Plugsound Pro. But it consistently fails > validation, and though I can force Logic to use it anyway, it's a > little annoying and disconcerting. For the moment I'm running this in > Logic 7.23 under Tiger 10.4.11. Does this plugin pass AU validation > for anybody else, or is this just a necessary evil to use it? Thanks > for any info. Hi Running No probs here on Tiger 10.4.11 on a MacIntel, with Logic 7.2.3 and Logic 8xx. Maybe just delete all prefs for it, uninstall and make sure you have exactly the right version. It should work! Cheers Clive Young ------------------------------------

On Jun 29, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Andrew Harrison wrote: > > Do I need this update for Logic Pro 7? Just run software update -- it will be shown if it is recommended for your setup. Best, Andy ------------------------------------

Blair Fisher wrote: > I recently had the same decision to make, and I ended up choosing the 7200 > rpm drive. [...] To be honest, I wasn't so much afraid of the heat issues and actually thought about getting a 7200RPM drive myself as well, but decided against it because I'd rather have a lot of internal drive space. IMO, this is a sort of crucial decision - at least it's been for me. With a 200GB drive there's no way I could have all of my most used sample libraries, a few song files and an additional Windows install available all the time. And as I'm on the road quite often, using additional drives means certain additional hassles (even if meanwhile I do have like 1TB worth of bus powered 2.5" USB drives, but these simply don't perform as great). Further, my demands (regarding both audio track counts and streamed samples) aren't that high, so working on the internal drive alone is perfectly possible in most situations, and whenever I need some more drive juice, there's usually an additional power outlet available, allowing me to use an external 3.5" drive for my audio files. Fwiw, it seems that there's quite some not so shiny drives Apple is using as the default drives for their Macbook (and Pro) range. My performance figures got quite better when I exchanged the drives on both Macbooks (even if all drives were 5400 ones), so it's not only about the nominal drive speed but also about seek and access times (perhaps even more). Anyways, I can run *heaps* of audio tracks from my internal Macbook drive using Logic 8 (and OSX.5.3). In my test a while back (you may remember...) I got around 150 stereo tracks at 44.1kHz/24bit. Streaming samples is obviously taxing the drive a bit more (as using larger pre-buffering numbers isn't exactly possible), I should perhaps do a test one day. However, as said, I think it's crucial to decide how you would like to work most of the time. For me, being able to work on battery power or with just a single power outlet is pretty much an important deal and I certainly enjoy to get out just the Macbook on a train, plane, bus or whatever, fire up Logic and have everything right in place (fwiw, that's also why I will firmly stay away from any plugins requiring dongles, and one of the reasons why I stick with Logic 8). Regards Sascha ------------------------------------

Just for your information: The folks who did the UVI engine for Plugsound Pro are just developing a new engine. The engine itself is free and, from what I gather at least, will already load the Plugsound Pro banks. It's still in beta stage but seems to be working rather fine in Logic so far. You can get the public beta here: http://www.uvisoundsource.com/ (also makes up for quite a nice, free REX player - most likely the best there is) Regards Sascha ------------------------------------

thanks to everyone who responded to this question. i was looking at this drive: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Hitachi/0A57547/ which claims to NOT run any hotter... ------------------------------------

Steve Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them out (particularly powering up the interface separately) Keeping the cables totally separate isn't really an option but powering from a different socket is. The earliest I can try it out is on Saturday. But I'll let you know. Jacek

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ainsley" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Ainsley <ainzmuzik@...>: > > Hi everyone. This is my situation: > > I have 11 drum tracks running in logic 8. theres a part of the song where > there's a break, and in this break we overdubbed some cymbals that are meant > to fade out over a beat that comes back in - so its like a puch in, and > obviously I want it to be on the same drum tracks, but the problem is that > the overhang of the cymbals is cut obviously when the beat kicks in. Can > anyone suggest a simple way of mixing the two audio files without bouncing > every drum track? fades doesnt seem to be an option... > > Ainz. > Hi, Ever hear of non-linear editing? That's ewhere you can keep the additional overdubs on their own track, copy and paste the plug in processing, and leave the cymbal decay that you need after the other tracks come back in, so it sounds natural. So, keep the overdubs on their own tracks... you do not need to "bounce" or "mixdown" the drum tracks at all. Cheers ------------------------------------

> Personally, I am by now using a 320GB Samsung drive (at 5400RPM) with > absolutely good results since 3 weeks. Performance figures are just > as good > as on my old 160 and 250 GB drives. And it was only 75 Euros > (incredible > prices for harddisks and RAM these days). So I can wholeheartedly > recommend > this drive. I did exactly the same two weeks ago. Replacing the disk of a MBP is not for the faint of heart, though. I used the pix on ifixit and extremetech.com as a guide. I also upped the RAM in my MBP from 2 to 3 GB for €35. When I bought the MBP18 months ago, 3 GB RAM was something like €400 extra... Another nice upgrade: an acryan esata card. Works great in X.5.3, I can boot/mount/unmount on the fly etc. esata is fast! Standard fan levels have risen a bit, but the MBP is stil much quieter than my old G5. One thing left to do: replacing the optical drive. The builtin Matshita one is getting temperamental. Unfortunately, there's not much choice in replacements that will fit in a MBP. Best, Zip ------------------------------------

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ainsley" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Ainsley <ainzmuzik@...>: > > Can anyone suggest a simple way of mixing the two audio files without bouncing > every drum track? fades doesnt seem to be an option... I'm not sure I understand the question, but it still sounds like a 'yes' answer. The only time you can't mix relative to something else is when the two things you want to mix are contained within the same audio file. If all of this stuff you mentioned is running live, and is separated to some degree (the drum tracks VS the track with the cymbal at least), you may want to automate the volume control of each. If you want to control the volume of all drum tracks at once VS the cymbals, change all the drums' outputs to a Bus to collect them there. By default each drum track will have its output set to 'Output 1-2' - change all of those to 'Bus 1', for instance. Now, automate Bus 1's volume and you can fade all drums in or out at once as a group. By drawing a near vertical line in the volume automation you can pretty much cut the volume on or off in an instant as well (this may be relevant for your cybal hangover problem), or if you want Logic to make such a volme cut neatly and consistently, maybe automate the 'Mute' control on and off at the relevant points, instead of using the volume graph. - Wade ------------------------------------

On 30 Jun 2008, at 12:59, jacek szulecki wrote: > Message posted by jacek szulecki <jatsa@interia.pl>: > > Steve > > Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them out (particularly > powering up the interface separately) > > Keeping the cables totally separate isn't really an option but > powering from a different socket is. > > The earliest I can try it out is on Saturday. But I'll let you know. > > Jacek Keeping the cables seperate is just something to test, if it is as simple as that its always annoying to spend hours barking up the wrong tree :) ------------------------------------

On 30.06.2008, at 05:35, Manu Ramesan wrote: > i tried doing the same with generic controller. but the trouble i > am experiencing is, whenever i give "learn" logic is waiting for a > fader or knob to be moved and when i touch something, its > recognised as pan.... Are you talking about LC Xmu? With this software you don't use Logic's learn function unless you define custom commands. > ... which forum were you talking about, "If you are interested in > LC Xmu you might want to join the forum > there. " http://opuslocus.net/forums/ :::::::::: Peter Ostry ------------------------------------

Can anyone suggest a simple way of mixing the two audio files without bouncing every drum track? fades doesnt seem to be an option... Ainz. =============Mute tracks you don't want bounced. -- _ _________________________ View Larry's videos at: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=skycathedral _________________________________________ ------------------------------------

Do realize that overheating and battery life is the real issue here. A 7200 drive will sap your battery faster. But the serious issue is overheating. Even a 5200 rpm drive will overheat and fry your computer if you're doing a lot of tracks. I never advise anyone to do more than 12 tracks of 24 bit audio on a laptop drive. Remember, it's not just the drive that will overheat...you can easily fry your CPU/ motherboard...and that's a total drag. If you add a 7200 drive and are doing 16 tracks or bettter in 24 bit, I say you're looking for trouble. Mark L. A proven record of: "Innovation, Vision, Results." http://www.markedwardlewis.com http://www.lemmediaproductions.com http://apps.markedwardlewis.com/Blog/ ------------------------------------

At 12:02 AM -0500 6/25/08, Alexander Chen wrote: >Message posted by Alexander Chen <alex@carbonatedjazz.com>: > >Is it possible to send to a bus "pre" insert effects? The "pre" option for >sends only Bus sends without the panning and level information, but it still >processes the inserts/eq. > >Basically, I have my individual drum samples (snare, kick, hat). I am >sending them all to one Bus Send to simulate a single "Room mic." So I want >to send them completely DRY to this "room mic" bus without any individual >compression/EQ. However, I would like to apply individual compression/EQ to >each sound for a simulated "close mic." > >I found a workaround, where I output each EACH snare/kick/hat to its own bus >object where I apply effects, but it's cluttered. Seems like there should be >a cleaner way. I don't know if you are going to be able to get around this in a more elegant fashion. The new Metric Halo Console allows you to do just this, by having the sends get placed in inserts. It's especially nice for creating monitor mixes that can have channel strip effects or not. I know this doesn't help, though. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services ------------------------------------

At 7:07 AM -0500 6/25/08, humuk wrote: >Message posted by humuk <jack@hum.co.uk>: > >Thanks for the reply. > >I'd actually be running Logic on 2 desktop Mac's - I can't really >understand why they would allow you to use it on a laptop and >desktop simultaneously but not on two desktops. It's Apple, maybe >that's the answer. I remember having to buy two copies of Logic 7 >so I could run them on 2 desktops, so I guess I have to shell out >for another Logic 8 upgrade - we can't really work with having one >Mac disconnected from the network. > You can't run it legally on more than one computer at a time. They allow two installations because they recognize that it is handy to have it either on the laptop or desktop at different times, but your license is really for only one copy of Logic. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services ------------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- From: mark edward lewis <mark@markedwardlewis.com> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:36 am Subject: [LUG] Re: 7200rpm HD in a macbook pro with logic? To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com > Do realize that overheating and battery life is the real issue here.  > A 7200 drive will sap your battery faster. But the serious issue > is  overheating. Even a 5200 rpm drive will overheat and fry > your computer if you're doing a lot of tracks. I never advise anyone > to do more than 12 tracks of 24 bit audio on a laptop drive. Remember, > it's not just the drive that will overheat...you can easily fry your > CPU/motherboard...and that's a total drag. If you add a 7200 drive > and are doing 16 tracks or bettter in 24 bit, I say you're looking > for trouble. > > Mark L. This is serious stuff. Have you had this happen to you, or do you know anybody this has actually happened to? This is the first I have heard of total computer destruction from working with too many tracks on a MBP. Can anybody else confirm this? Blair ------------------------------------