Hi Jesse, > Issue #1 : I take a virtual instrument track (for example BFD > drums) which I bounce down to > an stereo audio file. When I import that audio file at the same > location in the timeline as the > original virtual intstrument and play both, they are not perfectly > in sync. Why? Other than > using Logic's awkward audio file editing tools to move the file > into sync, how can I prevent > this nasty problem from occuring? Is there some setting. Do you have any latency inducing plugins anywhere in the signal flow on or after the BFD track? Plugins like Ad Limiter, Multipressor, or Linear Phase EQ for example? If so, this could be the explanation. -------------------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.elikrantzberg.com http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > >posted by zidzidane <zidzidane@...>: > >>Anyone noticed the current trend in DAWs is to have a non-linear >>and single screen interface like Ableton Live/Tracktion/Project 5. >> >>I strongly suspect Logic 8 will follow that route. > > >What if it's released at an arbitrary time in between trade shows >with little fanfare, and it's not radically different from Logic 7? > >How silly would anyone feel then? Would anyone settle for Logic 7.5 with a bunch of long-standing bugs fixed? To the poster who mentioned the Garage Band interface... Doubtful, if anything, more like Soundtrack Pro. HW

zidzidane wrote: > > in my opinon, you don't really need two as the current LCD screens > made by Apple are huge). Here're some reasons one might prefer 2 monitors: Used 15" to 19" CRT = b/w AU$50 and $0 (yes, people are literally giving them away) Apple 20" = AU$899 Apple 23" = AU$1399 Apple 30" = AU$2798

Sascha Franck wrote: > Well, it's not going to be interesting for me. If they change the brilliant > window/screen handling in favour of something not allowing me to work the > way I do since almost a decade, they'll lose a customer. It's that easy. > After all, the way Logic treats windows and screensets has been one of the > key reasons I switched to it from Cubase back in the days. Removing such a > key feature (and I'm sure it's a key feature for many Logic users) will only > be one thing: Ridiculously stupid. I agree - screensets are brilliant. They make it FAR easier to quickly get at many of Logic's features - without them it'd be too much of a PITA to access much of Logic's power. It even crossed my mind that *maybe* one of the reasons Apple bought Emagic was to use their screenset technology in the new Spaces feature in Leopard...? Not being a programmer, though, I really wouldn't have a clue about that. They just look very similar to me. Cheers, Bill

pancenter wrote: > Would anyone settle for Logic 7.5 with a bunch of long-standing > bugs fixed? You betcha!!!

I don't think that it would be a good idea.Linear ???? Logic is NOT Garageband. Pita Araujo pita_araujo@yahoo.com.br

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Martin <machei@...>: > > Print to an audio file?! > > Good god, I never even thought of this before. Thank you so much for that little gem of advice. I will certainly be trying it. Can't wait to get back home to Logic to give it a go. > > Cheers, mate! > > m. > Printing midi as audio is the only way you can be sure you have your sounds saved. What if you soft synth goes out of date, or your hardware sound device craps out? I've had to remix old tracks that had midi drums and keys. Fussing with floppy discs seemed sort of stupid, so I printed the sounds to tape... I even split the drum machine parts to individual tracks... The remixes came out very nice, and now these old 8 track-tape/midi recordings are safe...for how ever long the 16 track tape machine survives... I got two of 'em to be on the safe side.

pancenter wrote: > Would anyone settle for Logic 7.5 with a bunch of long-standing > bugs fixed? Sort of. But right now I'd really like them to add some decent audio editing as well (probably because I'm just editing quite some audio tracks, including multiple overdubs, made in cycle record mode and so on - a painful experience, to say the least...). - Sascha

> It even crossed my mind that *maybe* one of the reasons Apple bought > Emagic was to use their screenset technology in the new Spaces feature > in Leopard...? Not being a programmer, though, I really wouldn't > have a > clue about that. They just look very similar to me. > > Cheers, Bill Various versions of Linux have had this feature for years and years. KDE Window manager springs to mind as one of them. Jim

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Eli Krantzberg <elik@...> wrote: > > Hi Jesse, > Do you have any latency inducing plugins anywhere in the signal flow > on or after the BFD track? Plugins like Ad Limiter, Multipressor, or > Linear Phase EQ for example? If so, this could be the explanation. > > > -------------------- > Eli Krantzberg Hi Eli, I have used certain plugs in the signal flow before mixdown--I assume if the resultant mixdown is out-of-sync--then these are latency causing plugs. Any way to work around?

I recently bought the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o which cost me the equivalent of about $US630 in Australia (so, the Pro 10 would be a bit cheaper). It has proved to be very good, except that when I first got it the driver software would not work with my Intel iMac. That problem was fixed reasonably quickly with a new update. The preamps seem to be very quiet - I used it last weekend for a choir performance with nice, shiny, new condenser mics and the results were very good. cheers, all anthony linden jones http://www.myspace.com/anthonylindenjones Sydney, Australia

>> , which I assume to be a part of Core Audio, and have it show up as >> a record input in Logic; but maybe there isn't. >> > > Audio loop-back seems to be the only option for sounds generated on > the computer running logic, whether soft-synth or os sounds. > sigh. That or recording it with Audio Hijack and then importing the recording back into Logic. Maurits.

> It even crossed my mind that *maybe* one of the reasons Apple bought > Emagic was to use their screenset technology in the new Spaces feature > in Leopard...? Not being a programmer, though, I really wouldn't > have a > clue about that. They just look very similar to me. Nah.. first of all, screensets (and spaces) are very easy to program and hardly require buying technology :o) and second, the spaces feature, commonly known as 'virtual desktops', has been present in other operating systems for decades (like most Linux desktops and Solaris), it's more likely they got the idea from there. Maurits.

All right, I'm a victim of the horrid help file again. Can you tell me how you do this? I can't figure it out. :(

Still... this problem is insane! Is Apple anywhere out there? Hello? Exporting audio to QT always worked for me! Then I buy the intel Mac... get all software upgraded and no go. Has anyone figured this put yet? Thanks! Jason

hi there all.I'm using OS 10.4.8, with LE version 7.2 and when i bounce(aiff or wav) all i get is a 3 minute track of silence ..any ideas would be much appreciated..if this is the much talked about bug, which i have read about on the forum, and theres no fix at this time, how do i go about getting a cd burnt by another method still retaining 16/24 bit quality thank you geoff

Briefly, this was my original problem When trying to write (latch, touch or write) automation via the mackie control, the logic timeline begins to visualy slow down. The more faders i use the more it slows down visualy and starts showing the 'busy-clock'-symbol. When using the faders more, eventually audioglitches start to appear. When proceeding to try to further write automation, logic stops playback and needs a minute or so to recover. My actions so far. Having my doubts about the midi interfacing on my fireface 800, audio having priority over midi and firewire-bus on my mac maybe not able to cope with the data-stream? I was thinkingh to try out a seperate midi I/O, some others on the forum also had midi problems with similar gear. (motu firewire 828 if i'm not mistaken) So, they also suggested to try a usb I/O-box. Yesterday I went out and bought a Edirol UM-2EX, at home installed the driver and gave it a try. Sad to report that it didn't make any difference. (again also tried it with my laptop an also the same result) Maybe i'm just ecspecting to much of writing automation of a few channels at the same time. When testing i'm actually trying to write automation of 8 channels at the same time (just volume parameter). Not very likely that i will ever write automation of 8 channels at the same time, but why have 9 faders on it then. So maybe somebody else can tell me if i'm overstressing the system, or is somebody able to perform this without the sreen-update slow down???? My setup is; Mac G4 dual 867MHz with 1 GB ram Fireface800 connected via RME supplied firewire400 lead (restricted to use analog I/O and spdif only, saving on firewire bandwith) Mackie Control (firmware v2.1.2) connected to the Fireface 800 midi-ports Logic Pro 7.3 Powerbook 1.67 GHz 1 GB ram (not part of the setup, but tested fireface Edirol UM-2EX (not in use, anymore, midi no connected via my fireface as original setup was) greets Marius

Hi Marius, Sorry to hear about your problems. On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Marius Brouwer wrote: > Maybe i'm just ecspecting to much of writing automation of a few > channels at > the same time. When testing i'm actually trying to write automation > of 8 > channels at the same time (just volume parameter). I do this all the time without a single glitch... Dual G4 867 (MDD), Unitor8/AMT8 via USB, Mackie Control Universal (on Port 8) w/firmware 2.1.2 in Logic Control mode... Not much help I guess, but at least it can be done... Best, Andy

Thanks Maurits - I feel less naive now. But I still think screensets are extremely useful. :-) Maurits van de Kamp wrote: >>It even crossed my mind that *maybe* one of the reasons Apple bought >>Emagic was to use their screenset technology in the new Spaces feature >>in Leopard...? Not being a programmer, though, I really wouldn't >>have a >>clue about that. They just look very similar to me. > > Nah.. first of all, screensets (and spaces) are very easy to program > and hardly require buying technology :o) and second, the spaces > feature, commonly known as 'virtual desktops', has been present in > other operating systems for decades (like most Linux desktops and > Solaris), it's more likely they got the idea from there.

Hi Andy, Thanx for your fast response. Maybe I can try setting up my MCU in logic control modus, currently set to mackie control, though it shouldn't matter. I was thingking maybe you can e-mail your logic preference's file, so i can load that file in my mac and adapt it to my setup? Maybe I do have a wrong setting, that i don't know about???? And how much ram do you have in your mac? What length of midi-cable do you have between your MCU and your Unitor8/AMT8? (in metric system if possible) thnx again ..., Marius

On Jun 30, 2007, at 3:24 AM, Marius Brouwer wrote: > > Maybe I can try setting up my MCU in logic control modus, currently > set to mackie control, though it shouldn't matter. It does -- didn't work in MC mode here... > I was thingking maybe you can e-mail your logic preference's file, > so i can load that file in my mac and adapt it to my setup? Maybe I > do have a wrong setting, that i don't know about???? Switch MCU to LC mode (hold down channel select 1 and 2 while starting up the unit then press F8 for LC), delete the MCU object from the environment (control surface page in preferences, create a new Logic Control object and use the defaults, at least that's what I did. > > And how much ram do you have in your mac? 2 GB. > What length of midi-cable do you have between your MCU and your > Unitor8/AMT8? (in metric system if possible) 1.5 m. Best, Andy

I have used certain plugs in the signal flow before mixdown--I assume if the resultant mixdown is out-of-sync--then these are latency causing plugs. Any way to work around? If you add any plugins to the busses and outputs and set the compensation to "all" you will experience latency even if you don't have any plugins on the channel you're working on. Don´t use plugins (unless you absolutely have to, like ie a guitaramp simulator) during recording. Then after you have recorded the track then add whatever plugins you want on the channelstrip (but remember to set compensation to "audio objects and instruments"). When you have finished recording and are getting ready to mix then change the compensation setting to "all" and everything you insert (including the busses) will be compensated for and therefore kept in time but you will experience "live" latency if you play an instrument. It's a shame that Logic compensates the busses by delaying all the rest instead of moving the bus with latency back with a negative delay but that's the way it is. Luckily this is fairly easy to work around as long as you are aware of it.

Message posted by Martin <machei@gmail.com>: All right, I'm a victim of the horrid help file again. Can you tell me how you do this? I can't figure it out. :( Figure what out, if you are referring to converting midi to audio then there's only the hard way. You have to route the external midi into yourn soundcard and record it just like a vocal or whatever....If you have tons of outboard sounds coming from the same module and only stereo in in your soundcard it will take a while.

> Thanks Maurits - I feel less naive now. But I still think > screensets are > extremely useful. :-) Oh yes, I agree.. the most beautiful features are the simplest ones to program :o) (Or at least this one anyway) :o) Maurits.

Jason Hausman wrote: > Still... this problem is insane! Is Apple anywhere out there? Hello? > Exporting audio to QT always worked > for me! Then I buy the intel Mac... > get all software upgraded and no go. Has anyone figured this put yet? I've just been experimenting with some movie scoring for the first time in my life during the last days and I was already wondering whether I was doing something wrong. Apparently not so. Can this even be true? I mean, shouldn't this be considered a freaking big major bug for anybody doing movie work? I mean, I can just get away dragging both the movie and my bounce into iMovie or whatever and then export from there - but then, I am by no means a professional and I'm only working on really short movie sequences (like 3-5 minutes things) to learn a bit about movie scoring. But the extra time involved to do this might be a serious issue for any professional. Ridiculous. But reset assured, we won't see a fix any day soon. Emapple doesn't fix bugs anymore, regardless of how serious they are. For the next fix we'll have to pay big bucks. If there will be a fix, that is. - Sascha