> --- Benjamin Dreessen <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > > Interesting. I seem to have to use a lot more > > compession and limiting than everyone says you're > > supposed to—just to approach the loudness of my > > favorite CDs. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but > > I've been led to believe that you don't want to > > compress signal coming in so I don't. I'm using > > normal, moderate compression on most tracks, but > > still my peaks and valleys force me to keep levels > > way, way low in order to avoid clipping the output. > > If I only used one or two dB of gain on my output, > > my mixes would sound like mice next to the elephants > > of any commercial CD. Maybe it's my modestly priced > > equipment, but I do have an A-Designs MP-2r pre. Instead of playing the two tracks back to back. Adjust the volume so that both your tracks, and the tracks you are comparing too are the same volume. Seriously, if you put on a quiet disc, you turn the volume up. bd

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "ygkaplan@..." <ygkaplan@...> wrote: > I recently upgraded to Mac Pro and having big crash > problems. I'm running 3gb ram, Logic 7.2.3 and a Motu > 828mk2 on this system and latest software. When i want > to insert a time signature or try to go to one of the > menus logic crashes. After the crash if i start logic > i can't get any audio from 828. The only way is to > reboot the system. But if i try doing the same thing > on the same session it crashes again. <snip> Hi Kaplan! I have a similar configuration, Mac Pro 2,66 with 828mk2. Most of the time it runs smoothly, even when I run multiple Kontakt instruments, EXSs etc. Apart from Altiverb and Melodyne I use only logics own plugs. A thing that I know will cause Logic to unexpectedly quit on my system is to max out the ram. I have 4 Gb installed and Logic hit the ceiling the other day at around 40 sampler instruments, A few Kontaks but mostly exs. I have also experienced crashes on inserting audio directly onto the arrange window from finder using a key command and also when clicking the bounce button on the master output but that has only happened on very large sessions and I suspect it's a ram issue. Like you I sometimes need to reboot after these crashes, it is not as stabile as Logic 7.1.1 on my G5 but it is not at all as bad as your situation which sounds extraordinary. Your configuration is capable of working nicely. How much ram do you have installed? I have 4 which is not at all enough but the sessions are huge before that becomes a problem. When I hit the ram-ceiling I fiddled around with the exs' virtual memory settings and purged the Kontakt instruments and that did the job. Have veryfied/repaired disk permissions? Are you experiencing other kind of problems with the Mac? Have you tried searching out which sampler instrument og group causes the cue crashes? Ram could be the problem... I don't know what you did when you switched to intelmac but if you migrated the system from an older computer like I did you could be experiencing oddities from that process also, unlikely maybe but possible. Hope this helps and that you will be able to fix the problem in time. Regards Ginge

Hello, Everybody I'm just about to buy a MacBook and Logic Express. I found one thing about Express that concerns me: what does it mean that this version of Logic (in opposition to Pro) lacks "external instruments" feature? (The comparison between the two found on Apple web-site has this option unmarked in the Express' column) What comes to mind is: a) no ability to sequence external hardware synths (like my Korg Wavestation A/D for example), or b) no ability to sequence external software synths (like Wavestation from Korg's Legacy Collection). From discussions on Vintage Synth Explorer forums, I got information that above alternatives are not true and it's possible to control both hard and soft synths with Logic Express sequencer... If so - I have no idea what it can mean. If anyone does - please let me know! Thank You in advance, Marcin

I have a Roland JP8000 and I want to use it with Logic Pro 7.2.x But it's giving me headaches, and I'm not able to have them working together as they should. The JP is connected to a Midisport 2x2 (port A, in and out). The audio connections are fine. Logic sees the keyboard. The problem starts when I set the External Instruments plug in. I set the midi destination to JP 8000 and the audio in, and after awhile the sound of the JP freezes (stuck notes) and I can't do anything on it. I see CC messages (79) in the Logic Midi window going on. So it seems there's a loop or something like that. I've tried to alter the JP midi settings with no success til now. Could you tell me EXACTLY the settings needed on both Logic and JP sides, and if needed in the Apple Audio Midi Setup utility? By the way the JP plays fine on its own. I really hope there's at least one JP8000/Logic user here :-) Thanks

I too have had the similar issues with my Mac Pro. The same issues you mention plus: I hit a key on my midi keyboard and Logic dissapears from the screen. (Not even a "can I save for you before I die" message.) Inserting tempo changes...same thing. I send a report to Apple every time, but I am going to learn Digital Performer just to be safe. Martin

> Jorma Pennanen wrote: > > > >Just a personal opinion but resist the urge to up the volume. Those > >peaks and valleys are the lifeline of music. Most CD's today are a > >pile of lifeless shite :-( > >Volume dial on the amplifier should be used for volume :-) > >OK...rant over :-) > > Jorma, > > If you've pulled any tracks off CD's over the past 5 years you > may have seen heavy and sustained peaks flatlined off the top of > the DB scale. Unbelievable how they trash the audio to get sound > as loud as possible. > > HW Well, IMHO the volume and distortion levels are there to mask the lack of any musicality. The equipment and software is there to make things sound absolutely fantastic, if there is a desire and the talent to do so. Cheers

I've been working this around in my head, and I can't really come up with a solid answer... If I have 3 audio tracks with identical compression, EQ and misc effects insert settings mixed together...is the output of that the same as mixing those tracks together first on a bus or an aux, and then adding those effects as inserts on the bus/aux instead? Some effects seem more straightforward than others for this sort of thing. Okay, obviously there are a few effects like a gate (or a pitchcorrector) that won't work right at all...but something like compression has always baffled me Is compressing a few mixed raw tracks the same as compressing the tracks then mixing them together? I would assume not, because dynamics effects often feel like spooky black magic, but I've been surprised by this sort of thing before. -- ______________________ Eric Oehler wonko@nulldevice.com www.nulldevice.com

Hi, My trusty old Multiface is not ready for suspension yet, but it seems the special RME cable connecting the Multiface and the PCMCIA card is broken. Since there are many Multiface users on this list I'd like to ask if someone knows if it is still possible to get such spare parts somewhere? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)

Thanks! Couldn´t be easier! This forum really works!

I think this worked before (logic 6?), but now the sample editor always opens with a kind of "default" zoom instead of the last zoom used. Is it possible to tell the sample editor window to use the last zoom setting, or change the default? I wonder why I should change the zoom every time I open the sample editor, this is ridiculous ... :-( Peter

Per Boysen wrote: > My trusty old Multiface is not ready for suspension yet, but it seems > the special RME cable connecting the Multiface and the PCMCIA card is > broken. Since there are many Multiface users on this list I'd like to > ask if someone knows if it is still possible to get such spare parts > somewhere? Easy: Thomann, Europes largest online seller. Absolutely reliable. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_rme_cardbus_adapterkabel_45_m_prodinfo.html 39 Euro, 367,06 SEK for the 4.5m one. Regards Sascha

Hello, when I had my Multiface I used my own FW cable with it without any problem. The protocol is specific, the cable is standard FW cable. Regards, Zsolt

On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Eric Oehler wrote: > I've been working this around in my head, and I can't really come up > with a solid answer... > > If I have 3 audio tracks with identical compression, EQ and misc > effects insert settings mixed together...is the output of that the > same as mixing those tracks together first on a bus or an aux, and > then adding those effects as inserts on the bus/aux instead? Some > effects seem more straightforward than others for this sort of thing. > > Okay, obviously there are a few effects like a gate (or a > pitchcorrector) that won't work right at all...but something like > compression has always baffled me Is compressing a few mixed raw > tracks the same as compressing the tracks then mixing them together? > I would assume not, because dynamics effects often feel like spooky > black magic, but I've been surprised by this sort of thing before. Well, if you feed different signals into a compressor you get different results, right? So If you have 3 signals being mixed together, then compressed, its different than compressing the three tracks separately. So the resulting effect will be different. Not better or worse, just different. In the first case, the compressor might react to just one of the three signals being fed into it, but affect the other two signals as well. If all signals are being compressed separately, this would not be the case. -Evan Benjamin

Mac G5 (pre-Intel), OS 10.4.8, Logic Pro 7.2.3, Oddity 1.14 Oddity works well with AU Lab, so I suspect it's a Logic issue. When trying to rescan, I get the following message: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * AU Validation Tool Version: 1.1.2c11 Copyright 2003-4, Apple Computer, Inc. Specify -h (-help) for command options * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -------------------------------------------------- VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'GOdd' - 'GMMu' -------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer String: GForce AudioUnit name: Oddity Component Info: GForce's Oddity Plugin Component Version: 1.1.4 (0x10104) Component's Bundle Version: 1.0.0 * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- TESTING OPEN TIMES: COLD: Time to open AudioUnit: 152.538 ms WARM: Time to open AudioUnit: 2.196 ms FIRST TIME: Time for initialization: 0.136 ms * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- VERIFYING DEFAULT SCOPE FORMATS: Input Scope Bus Configuration: Default Bus Count:0 Output Scope Bus Configuration: Default Bus Count:1 Default Format: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, 'lpcm' (0x0000002B) 32- bit big-endian float, deinterleaved * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- VERIFYING REQUIRED PROPERTIES: VERIFYING PROPERTY: Sample Rate PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY: Stream Format PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY: Maximum Frames Per Slice PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY: Last Render Error PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY: Instrument Count PASS * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- VERIFYING RECOMMENDED PROPERTIES: VERIFYING PROPERTY: Latency PASS * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- VERIFYING OPTIONAL PROPERTIES: VERIFYING PROPERTY Supported Number of Channels PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY Tail Time PASS VERIFYING PROPERTY Host Callbacks PASS * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- VERIFYING SPECIAL PROPERTIES: VERIFYING CUSTOM UI Carbon View Components Available: 1 Component 'auvw' - 'GOdd' - 'GMMu' PASS Cocoa Views Available: 0 VERIFYING CLASS INFO PASS TESTING HOST CALLBACKS PASS * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- PUBLISHED PARAMETER INFO: # # # 62 Global Scope Parameters: WARNING: retrievedValue = 1.965556 (was 1.500000), Parameter did not retain maximum value when set ERROR: Parameter's min value is greater than max value WARNING: use -strict_DefP flag * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Parameter's Published defaultvalue does not fall with [min, max] range * * This will fail using -strict option. Will fail in future auval version * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.050000 (was 0.500000), Parameter did not retain minimum value when set WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.500000 (was 0.050000), Parameter did not retain maximum value when set WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.500000 (was 0.496400), Parameter did not retain default value when set ERROR: Parameter's min value is greater than max value WARNING: use -strict_DefP flag * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Parameter's Published defaultvalue does not fall with [min, max] range * * This will fail using -strict option. Will fail in future auval version * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.050000 (was 0.500000), Parameter did not retain minimum value when set WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.500000 (was 0.050000), Parameter did not retain maximum value when set WARNING: retrievedValue = 0.050000 (was 0.500000), Parameter did not retain default value when set WARNING: retrievedValue = 2.828427 (was 2.000000), Parameter did not retain maximum value when set * * FAIL -------------------------------------------------- FORMAT TESTS: Input/Output Channel Handling: 1-1 1-2 1-4 1-5 2-2 2-4 2-5 4-4 4-5 5-5 5-2 6-6 8-8 0-2 X * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- RENDER TESTS: Output Format: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, 'lpcm' (0x0000002B) 32-bit big-endian float, deinterleaved Render Test at 512 frames Slicing Render Test at 64 frames PASS Render Test at 64 frames, sample rate: 22050 Hz Render Test at 137 frames, sample rate: 96000 Hz Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 44100 Hz Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 192000 Hz Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 11025 Hz Render Test at 512 frames, sample rate: 48000 Hz PASS Checking parameter setting Using AudioUnitSetParameter Using AudioUnitScheduleParameter PASS * * PASS -------------------------------------------------- AU VALIDATION FAILED: CORRECT THE ERRORS ABOVE. -------------------------------------------------- Any ideas?

On 31 jan 2007, at 18.42, Sascha Franck wrote: > Easy: Thomann, Europes largest online seller. Absolutely reliable. > http://www.thomann.de/ > thoiw5_rme_cardbus_adapterkabel_45_m_prodinfo.html > 39 Euro, 367,06 SEK for the 4.5m one. Thanks! Once again you made my day, Sascha! Can't understand why I never found that page when searching the Thomann site? A good spaghetti of those will bring me a high score position among the Last Humans To Go Firewire ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)

Talking about the SoundDiver public beta: >What's the problem with the Beta? It's no longer intergrated into >Logic like it was in pre OSX days? The only thing that was "integrated" was Autolink, which provided the means to input patch names from SD into Logic. That stopped working in OSX. The current version (3.1.0 public beta 2) is quite buggy: - There is a known bug where SD causes Logic songs to play a half-tone lower. The only remedy I know of is to quit and log out and back in again. This really disturbs workflow and can cause great anxiety if you don't know about it! - There is a bug where SD can unintentionally overwrite internal sounds in some cases. Before modifying any sounds or doing edits, you should request all of the sounds from each of your hardware devices, copy these into a new Library, and save these as backups. Keeping a backup as above is essential to prevent loss of your internal presets. I think there were more.... Regards - Colin

--- subginge <ginge@subgud.org> wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "ygkaplan@..." > <ygkaplan@...> wrote: > > I recently upgraded to Mac Pro and having big > crash > > problems. I'm running 3gb ram, Logic 7.2.3 and a > Motu > > 828mk2 on this system and latest software. When i > want > > to insert a time signature or try to go to one of > the > > menus logic crashes. After the crash if i start > logic > > i can't get any audio from 828. The only way is to > > reboot the system. But if i try doing the same > thing > > on the same session it crashes again. <snip> > > Hi Kaplan! > > I have a similar configuration, Mac Pro 2,66 with > 828mk2. Most of > the time it runs smoothly, even when I run multiple > Kontakt > instruments, EXSs etc. Apart from Altiverb and > Melodyne I use > only logics own plugs. A thing that I know will > cause Logic to > unexpectedly quit on my system is to max out the > ram. I have 4 Gb > installed and Logic hit the ceiling the other day at > around 40 > sampler instruments, A few Kontaks but mostly exs. I > have also > experienced crashes on inserting audio directly onto > the arrange > window from finder using a key command and also when > clicking the > bounce button on the master output but that has only > happened on > very large sessions and I suspect it's a ram issue. > > Like you I sometimes need to reboot after these > crashes, it is not > as stabile as Logic 7.1.1 on my G5 but it is not at > all as bad as > your situation which sounds extraordinary. Your > configuration is > capable of working nicely. > > How much ram do you have installed? I have 4 which > is not at all > enough but the sessions are huge before that becomes > a problem. > When I hit the ram-ceiling I fiddled around with the > exs' virtual > memory settings and purged the Kontakt instruments > and that did > the job. > > Have veryfied/repaired disk permissions? Are you > experiencing other > kind of problems with the Mac? Have you tried > searching out which > sampler instrument og group causes the cue crashes? > Ram could be > the problem... > > I don't know what you did when you switched to > intelmac but if > you migrated the system from an older computer like > I did you > could be experiencing oddities from that process > also, unlikely > maybe but possible. > > > Hope this helps and that you will be able to fix the > problem in > time. > > Regards > > Ginge > Hi Thanks for all the replies. Yes the motu 828mk2 is running on its own bus and i'm using 3 internal drives no external firewires with 3gbs of ram. i don't think adding more ram should resolve the issue because logic can't reach more than 4gbs of ram as far as i know. it's interesting to see other people having the same problem. here's the weirdest thing i found out though. not after every crash but after some crashes, my motu 828 goes crazy. the small green display starts showing gibberish characters. i reset to factory defaults and that's the only way to fix it. Is logic/mac pro/coreaudio killing my sound card? is this possible? I'm usually good at finding the origin of problems in my computers, but i'm really puzzled by all this. It looks like there's more than one source of problem. And yes logic crashes if i want to add an audio file too. But all of this stuff won't happen in a fresh blank session. The problems start with bigger sessions. The whole thing might be because of running multiple 3rd party soft synths too but i simply would be out of work if i quit using stylus rmx, kontakt and all the good stuff NI has to offer. I had problems with RMX in the past so i'm usually bouncing that right away so it won't create problems. Thanks for all the input. Kaplan

Anyone able to shed some light on this error message? Song works fine, open it up next day and get this "Absynth was not able to initialize error 81767". If I open a new song and instantiate Absynth, it works fine. -Evan Benjamin

Freezing is pretty poorly implemented, as far as really helping you make the most of your hard drive(s). It needs to do some of the following: 1) Once a track is frozen, Logic should analyze that frozen audio, and break it into regions, only playing back the frozen regions that have detected audio signal in them. All of this done behind the scenes, the user being left blissfully unaware. Come on, Apple, this is well overdue. 2) Intelligent hard drive distribution of frozen audio. How many there among us watch our song hard drive crap out as it becomes overwhelmed with playback of frozen stereo audio files? I distribute my song audio across two additional drives, leaving the song drive to play back only frozen files and, still, it eventually craps out. Wouldn't it be great if Logic would distribute the frozen audio among other drives in your system as it deems necessary, so that your song hard drive would not be overwhelmed by lots of frozen stereo files. David

Hi, I haven't had this problem with Logic but I have had some goofiness with my MacBook crashing on other circumstances. I have three different Audio/MIDI setups I run at three different locations with the same MacBook. One thing that seems to help in my case is that each time I boot up the MacBook I will reset the PRAM (Hold Option/Apple/R&P) while the machine boots - I usaully wait untill I've heard the third "Mac Chime" and then I release the buttons. This 9 out of 10 times keeps everything humming along great. The other things is to run disk utilities and run the repair permissions option for the internal - assumably boot drive - ESPESCIALLY after any upgrade. Every once in a while I take the battery out, boot from the wall power supply, shut down, re-install the battery, and then boot as normal. I'm not sure but after doing this at the suggestion of an Apple Tech my flickering display cleared up as well as some other glitches - this might be some form of hard/system reboot? Anyway - best of luck. Peace, Frank Jones synthkbd@hotmail.com http:www.frankjonez.com

pancenter wrote: > What's the problem with the Beta? It's no longer intergrated into > Logic like it was in pre OSX days? That's right. Plus, it seems (to me, at least) to be less stable than the OS 9 version. IIRC (which is unlikely cos it's technical stuff that I didn't understand properly in the first place) many users wanted some changes that would've enabled much easier 3rd-party development of modules. As it was, only Emagic/Apple could do anything with it, but they weren't. Maybe someone else remembers it more accurately...? > Is the beta on Apple's site? I thought it was, but I couldn't find it. Anyone?

> Hello, > > when I had my Multiface I used my own FW cable with it > without any problem. > The protocol is specific, the cable is standard FW cable. > > Regards, > > Zsolt > Sounds like the MOTU "audiowire" - specific protocol, standard firewire cable (except they would like you to buy theirs) Blair

>Mibrilane wrote: >SoundDiver's usefulness is for the 20-year-old synths of >the past that are no longer being updated, that have no editor or >librarian for Mac OS X. *** Right. I still work with a Roland MKS80 Super Jupiter, Yamaha TX816, Oberheim Matrix 1000 and other older MIDI gear. They should be supported by MOTU Unisyn in OS X. One of the cool things about Unisyn, that SD never had, was the ability to combine and morph patches and generate an entire library. The SoundDiver Beta for OS X has a major problem- most of the adaptations don't work at all or correctly. I boot into OS 9 and run SD when I need to- of course, each time I have to reauthorize with a CD... Adam

Here's a link for anyone interested in soundfonts (which can be opened with EXS 24) http://pike.kw.nl/browse/files/documents/3rdparty/audio/public/soundfont s Haven't tried any of the sound samples as of yet but will be. I've some of these SF2 guys samples to be quite good. Usually they mess about with them too much in my opinion and loose the integrity of the original sound but there are some quite good brass ones out there I've seen and used occasionally. So for whatever it's worth...... Chug Silver Pine Digital

Thanks for all the thoughts on mastering. I fully understand that the loudness war is a destructive thing. I was into hi-fi for a while, and so I understand that dynamic range is basically a good thing, but there are a couple of reasons why I care about the comparison of my tracks to commercial ones. First, I know from my own experience that a lower volume can have a negative affect on a listener's perception of a track, and I even think that, to some degree, compression (however it is achieved) can, paradoxically, make a track seem more dynamic. I think there's something hard to define about the way aural perception of direct live sound compares to what we hear through a bunch of electronics picking up and recording those sounds. I think a certain amount of compression makes up for something that's lost along the way. Maybe that's even more true when you have modestly priced digital equipment like I do. On the other hand, I am generally in favor of leaving the dynamics in tact, especially since some of my tracks have parts that I want to explode by comparison to others other parts. Hard to have that feeling when everything is limited to the max. I guess the big question is where I, as a recording musician interested primarily in the songs themselves, not aspiring to be an audio engineer of any kind, should draw the line, in terms of trying to persue perfection from an engineering standpoint. Frankly, I think there is too much emphasis on the production quality of music these days anyway. I would like to hear a lot more music with second rate audio quality and the highest levels of originality, soul and character. Who would claim that Pet Sounds is the pinnacle of audio engineering artistry? No one, but it's a thousand times better than most of the slick, professionally produced stuff being put out today. There's nothing wrong with excellence in production quality, but it shouldn't be perceived as a prerequisite for good music either, and I'm afraid it very much is. I need to figure out what's realistic for me and my budget and know when to stop worrying about it.