On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:32 PM, fusionhead5 wrote: > Core Audio Overload is a nasty, annoying problem that has plagued > me for years through > every computer (G4 and G5), every operating system upgrade, every > version of Logic, any > amount of tracks, any amount of plug-ins, or any other variation of > conditions. It seems to > be mostly random but unfortunately frequent. I personally believe > it is a problem with how > OSX handles data transfers either from hard disk and/or from DSP > cards (I am using two > UAD-1 cards) or converter (I am using a MOTU 828MkII). > > I have tried many bits of advice from LUG folks, UAD forum folks > and others and, though > some of these methods may reduce CPU load or disk access rates, I > have still not found > anything that has helped me avoid seeing this particular problem > occur repeatedly during > every session. I would love to find the silver bullet that kills > it, but I fear it is in Apple's court > and still doesn't seem to be on their radar. FH I'd be interested in seeing one of your sessions. I have 2 UAD-1's, a Powercore, and use either a Yamaha i88x M-Lan audio interface, a Digi M-Box Pro, or just use the digital out of my Mac, and do not see this issue very often. I have run sessions with as many as 40+ 44.1 24 bit tracks, and a handful of audio instruments, as well as 20 to 30 audio fx plug-ins, including 5 or 6 space designers. In my experience, I'd suggest that something else is the issue. Do you have a high quality line filter, power regulator, like a Tripplite? I have a 15 amp/ 1800 watt version, and run all the power to the gear in my studio through it. I used to have random issues before I got it, that have cleared up since. Have you tried playing audio just from the Mac, to make sure your audio interface, or one of the cables in your system isn't messing things up? Are you sure you don't have a 3d party plug-in that is causing the problems? There are over 15,000 users here on the LUG, and I would suggest that if this was such an overwhelming issue, that that wold be all we would ever be talking about. Most of the time, it is one of the things I've suggested, or maybe a hardware problem, like ram, a bad drive, logic board, or something as simple as a bad usb hub. I'd be happy to help if I can. I do installs and tech service here in LA for one of the bigger pro stores, West LA Music, and so far we haven't been able to overcome a problem, eventually. And please understand I'm saying this with no disrespect meant, really. I know how frustrating this computer stuff can be. Also, make sure you update to the latest UAD-1 drivers. There have been a couple of issues lately that are being solved with the latest updates. Good luck... George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

An Apple Tech has confessed to me that after the G4s and somewhere during the G5s, they stopped manufacturing firewire buses that EXCEEDED the standard firewire specs, and made them to MEET the standard instead with later G5s and intels. This explains why your G4 and possibly your G5 at 1.8Ghz can run all that firewire stuff at once, whereas my imac G5 2.1Ghz w isight (last model imac G5 they made) and Dave's dual G5 with the Yamaha firewire interface has trouble handling the multi-device thing. Based on this, I'm not so sure it is Metric Halo's superiority to TC konnekt but rather a comparison between Apple's firewire bus capabilities between their later and earlier models with firewire.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan <james@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > My setup is a dual 1.8 G5 with 3 GB RAM. I recently had problems > with the East West Gold library crashing Logic, but after unplugging > everything because of lightning in the area and then replugging, Gold > worked again. I was able to build up a little latin funk tune using > an Apple loops loop, live electric bass on an audio track, the > Steinway B sample from the Gold library for a piano comp track, but > when I added an English horn sample from the Miroslav Philharmonic > library, Logic crashes. Did it several times. Battery is also > loaded as part of the autoload, > James Irelan > Hello James, Please send me the crash file at blanc(dot)cyril(at)wanadoo.fr I will tell you who is culprit Best Cyril

Hi Folks....I do most of my work on a dual g5, but I now have logic also installed on a new MacBook Pro, dual core intel, 3GB ram. Here's my problem. When working with quick time video, if I open the temp list window to change the smpte offset, I can't. Double clicking the smpte position TC doesn't make the text modifieable like is does on my G5...it just resets it to zero...if I try to add a tempo change, and then modify the new smpte position for that tempo change, it sets the previous tempo value to a nonsense BPM in the thousands....anyhow...all weird weird behaviour. I found the only way to change my SMPTE start time was to come at it from the synchroniztion preferences in the song settings... It's logic 7.2.3 on both my G5 and Macbook Pro....system 10.4.8 Anyone out there encountered this crazy behaviour, or have any idea what's causing it? best regards tom <><><><><><><><><>< ><><><><><><><> Tom Third Composer-Audio Post Production

On 31 Dec 2006, at 01:20, Eric wrote: > Message posted by Eric <eisenhar@mscd.edu>: > > Is there some way that I can take a clip of a dvd and get the sound > wave > view of it's soundtrack? > > Thanks, Eric. I've heard that the rear channels of a 5:1 surround mix often have the music only and so chunks of this can be used. But I've a feeling that it's illegal Steve :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Steve Pogson steve@musicroom.demon.co.uk check out my music and other stuff at www.stevepogson.com

Hey... I'm searching for the same environment... Just don't know how I can use logic as sequencer to the EMX-1... PLEASE HELP and THANKS A LOT!!!

Hey there! Please tell me how I can send midi commands from logic to the emx-1. I connected the midi out of my m-audio delta audiophile to the midi in of the Korg EMX-1, but the only thing which works is the midi clock. So I can use it synchronous to logic, but I just don't get it how I can send notes or similar things to it... PLEASE HELP!! THANKS A LOT! greets Alex

> > Is there some way that I can take a clip of a dvd and get the sound > > wave > > view of it's soundtrack? > > > > Thanks, Eric. > > I've heard that the rear channels of a 5:1 surround mix often have > the music only and so chunks of this can be used. But I've a feeling > that it's illegal > > Steve > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Steve Pogson > steve@... > > check out my music and other stuff at www.stevepogson.com Of course it's illegal, unless you apply for a licence to do so. As a writer, Steve, surely you must KNOW that it's illegal! BTW, great music on your site. Toby.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "rebbesoul57" <rebbe@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have any success with using Akai samples with the EXS? Here's my situation: I > have an Akai S2000 with my samples on ZIP discs. I'd like to put them in some kind of > format so that the EXS can use them. So far I've had no luck with transferring the ZIPs to > CDRs so I thought perhaps I could take my ZIPs to a more recent Akai sampler and somehow > burn them onto CDs from there. Any thoughts on this? > > -Bruce > Hi Bruce! I loaded all my AKAI samples into my S3000 from my zip's and exported them to a SCSI disk when I still had a Mac with SCSI-card. I then made disk images of the SCSI disk on the mac and burned them to cdr. EXS can read these cds and convert them to EXS-format. I remember the mac had problems reading the akai zips that made burned the samples to cd. There's more info and resources here. http://www.synthzone.com/akai.htm Hope this helps. Regards, Ginge

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Tom Third <zeromodule@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks....I do most of my work on a dual g5, but I now have logic > also installed on a new MacBook Pro, dual core intel, 3GB ram. Here's > my problem. When working with quick time video, if I open the temp > list window to change the smpte offset, I can't. Double clicking the > smpte position TC doesn't make the text modifieable like is does on > my G5...it just resets it to zero...if I try to add a tempo change, > and then modify the new smpte position for that tempo change, it sets > the previous tempo value to a nonsense BPM in the > thousands....anyhow...all weird weird behaviour. I found the only way > to change my SMPTE start time was to come at it from the > synchroniztion preferences in the song settings... > > It's logic 7.2.3 on both my G5 and Macbook Pro....system 10.4.8 > > Anyone out there encountered this crazy behaviour, or have any idea > what's causing it? Hi Tom You're not alone! I have encountered the same problem and the only way round it has been by exporting the file to my G5 PowerPC and adjusting the tempos/timecodes there, then re-opening it on my MacBook Pro. This is one of many programming bugs to do with entering text/numbers in text/ numerical fields since Apple rewrote (made a hash of) the software. This new problem seems to be Intel specific. There's another one too; put your Global Audio Pan-Law to -3dB compensated and then raise a fader above +3.1dB - the signal disappears totally!! Best regards Toby Wood.

Hello folks, Using logic 6.4 pro, I updated the Quick Time Player (vers. 7.1.3 pro) and the system (OS 10.3.9). My Mac is an G4 with an additional 1,2 GB processor.Everything is fine, exept one problem: The QT movies are dark. You can see something, the Quick Time Player plays the movie, but it is too dark. This problem occurs even with movies, which ran fine under the old system and the old quick time version. Does anybody have an idea, what the problem is? Thanks Boris Bergmann Film Music Composer

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> Message posted by Hendrik De Clercq <hendrikdeclercq@tiscali.be>: > > I don't wanna mess up my system with a demo, so I'm asking you guys: > what's the added value of Ozone, when having Logic Pro 7? > Waves or Ozone? Well.. Waves is the best.. But how "the best" is it? > Comparing prices.. As a budget engineer, what is the most bang for > the buck? > CaLLa/Caiez:: As Peter said, Ozone is more or less a complete grouping of mastering tools in one plug in. IMHO, the Ozone designers have done a good job of studying the mastering process, and then putting together in a logical way the necessary elements to do the job. Once one learns the way Ozone works, it becomes quick and easy to use. Also, I find the sound quality to be excellent, if used properly. Some of the Waves stuff is capable of sounding as good or perhaps better, but it is more expensive, and for me at least I prefer the way Ozone has most of the processes available in one plug in. Great bang for the buck. And just to second what Christopher said, accurate monitoring is a vital part of the mastering process, without question. Peace, Ed Billeaud Snowflake Studio P.O. Box 7637 Breckenridge, CO 80424 970-453-6830 edva@earthlink.net http://www.soundclick.com/edbilleaud

> I import the bounced song into 'Har-Bal' which is a PC only app I use > on a little laptop, cause I'm on a G5. > It shows the average frequency spectrum of the whole track as a > frequency spectrum graph line. It also shows the peak frequency lines > (which could go high up just from one cymbal crash in the song or any > loud peak). > 'Har-Bal' also shows the peak and average frequency spectrum graphs of > any commercial CD you wish to compare to. > Then squash it with 'waves L2' or similar till it's loud enough. But > yeah I don't like too squashed either. Gotta have some bump in the > music. All good points Roman. I just wanted to add that Ozone allows a similar form of EQ comparison, which as you say, is always very helpful. And, I seem to remember Ozone's limiter beating the Waves L2-L3 in a "shootout" that Sound On Sound did a while back. In my own personal tests, I preferred it too, and it also sounds clearer than Logic's Ad-Limiter, as well as having better sounding dithering than Logic's, which is quite impressive, because Logic sounds pretty good in that department. Peace, Ed Billeaud Snowflake Studio P.O. Box 7637 Breckenridge, CO 80424 970-453-6830 edva@earthlink.net http://www.soundclick.com/edbilleaud

I'm not sure if any of this is true or not - but I have heard some talk about the stereo spread in logic not being as wide in the mix as it could be. I think it had to do with using a stereo track vs two mono tracks instead. Is any of this true? Is it better to use 2 mono tracks rather than one stereo track to get a wider stereo spread? Someone else mentioned that it might be a good idea to use some sort of existing logic plugin to help widen the stereo spread on these stereo tracks. There is a special logic plug-in called " stereo spread " - would this be the proper plug-in to alleviate this issue? Is it really needed? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists]

Thanks, George, you make some good suggestions that I will try... see below for specific answers to your commments... > I have 2 UAD-1's, a Powercore, and use either a Yamaha i88x M-Lan > audio interface, a Digi M-Box Pro, or just use the digital out of my > Mac, and do not see this issue very often. Maybe my MOTU 828MkII is the problem... are any of the interfaces you list above using a Firewire connection? > I have run sessions with as many as 40+ 44.1 24 bit tracks, and a > handful of audio instruments, as well as 20 to 30 audio fx plug-ins, > including 5 or 6 space designers. That is pretty impressive, there is no way I can get that may plug-in instances at the same time without getting Core Overloads regularly. I typically use a mix of 20+ UAD and Logic plugs, and typically 40+ tracks of audio, sometimes with a few tracks of audio instruments. On my G5 dual 2Mhz I am regularly seeing greater than 60% CPU usage, spiking up to +80%. > Do you have a high quality line filter, power regulator, like a Tripplite? Yes, I currently have a Tripplite voltage regulator on my system that seems to work well in filtering most spikes and brownouts. > Have you tried playing audio just from the Mac, to make sure your > audio interface, or one of the cables in your system isn't messing > things up? No, I haven't tried this yet, but I will. This may narrow the problem down to the MOTU interface. > Are you sure you don't have a 3d party plug-in that is causing the > problems? I am not typically using any third party plugs except for UAD-1 plugs. Occasionally I might use something else (e.g. iZotope, Expert Sleepers), but not regularly, and my problem is happening with every song, independent of types of plugs I am using. > ...maybe a hardware problem, like ram, a bad > drive, logic board, or something as simple as a bad usb hub. I do in fact use a USB hub, but it is not connecting any audio related peripherals. But I will disconnect it entirely and see if that has any affect. All my RAM is high quality stuff so I doubt that would be the problem, but who knows. > And please understand I'm saying this with no disrespect meant, really. I know > how frustrating this computer stuff can be. Your suggestions are very much appreciated, I need all the help I can get with this! > Also, make sure you update to the latest UAD-1 drivers. There have > been a couple of issues lately that are being solved with the latest updates. I just noticed UA has a new 4.5.0 driver for the UAD cards so I install it. I also have a few hints from James Ciglar at UA regarding settings that might reduce potential FW / PCI conflicts. FH

On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Ed Billeaud wrote: > And, I seem to remember Ozone's limiter beating the Waves > L2-L3 in a "shootout" that Sound On Sound did a while back. > In my own personal tests, I preferred it too, and it also sounds > clearer than Logic's Ad-Limiter, as well as having better sounding > dithering than Logic's, which is quite impressive, because Logic > sounds pretty good in that department. As for limiters, the UAD-1 precision limiter is the best I've come across, and I have allot of plug-in limiters. It seems to be able to increase the volume without crushing the transients as much as others, for the same amount of gain reduction. Jody Whitesides can verify this, as I just mastered an Xmas CD for him, and he was pleased with the relative volume and sound compared to some of the louder commercial mixes out there. Take care, George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

On Dec 31, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Boris Bergmann wrote: > Hello folks, > Using logic 6.4 pro, I updated the Quick Time Player (vers. 7.1.3 > pro) and > the system (OS 10.3.9). My Mac is an G4 with an additional 1,2 GB > processor.Everything is fine, exept one problem: > The QT movies are dark. You can see something, the Quick Time > Player plays > the movie, but it is too dark. This problem occurs even with > movies, which > ran fine under the old system and the old quick time version. > Does anybody have an idea, what the problem is? > Thanks > > Boris Bergmann > Film Music Composer While I can't suggest why, I can suggest this: open your AV controls in QT player, and increase the brightness. Save the file (or export if you don't want to alter the original), and load into Logic. I have QT pro, so I'm not sure if you can do this without it.. George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:16 AM, revDAVE wrote: > When I import new audio into logic 7.2.3 - often it will first say > that is > creating wave forms for the display. > > Q: I notice that the audio files on disk do not show an altered > modified > date - so where are these wave form displays being saved - on the > audio file > or inside the logic song? I think there is a waveform cache in Logic, but I might be wrong... > > Q: I am interested in possibly going back and forth between logic > and Pro > tools LE - and at different times using the same audio files for both > platforms. Assuming I am not doing any destructive editing - is it > OK to use > the same set of files for both platforms - or do I need to make > duplicates > (I'd rather not)? I do this often, so I don't duplicate data. Works fine. Again I think PT has it's own waveform cache, so each app your import into will have to draw it's own overview. > > Also, how does this wave form display get dealt with by going back > and forth > between the two platforms? See previous answer... George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:25 AM, fusionhead5 wrote: To the list, I only answered the questions that there was a reply to, and edited out the rest... > Thanks, George, you make some good suggestions that I will try... > see below for specific > answers to your commments... > > > I have 2 UAD-1's, a Powercore, and use either a Yamaha i88x M-Lan > > audio interface, a Digi M-Box Pro, or just use the digital out of my > > Mac, and do not see this issue very often. > > Maybe my MOTU 828MkII is the problem... are any of the interfaces > you list above using a > Firewire connection? Both, that's why I brought them up. > > > I have run sessions with as many as 40+ 44.1 24 bit tracks, and a > > handful of audio instruments, as well as 20 to 30 audio fx plug-ins, > > including 5 or 6 space designers. > > That is pretty impressive, there is no way I can get that may plug- > in instances at the same > time without getting Core Overloads regularly. I typically use a > mix of 20+ UAD and Logic > plugs, and typically 40+ tracks of audio, sometimes with a few > tracks of audio > instruments. On my G5 dual 2Mhz I am regularly seeing greater than > 60% CPU usage, > spiking up to +80%. I know there is an issue with the UAD-1's. I work around it by using about 5 or 6, and then freezing the tracks. I can't remember the specific amount of tracks, but I can max my card out using the big ones, and can only use a certain number of smaller ones before I get the core audio issue, being caused by the UAD-1 card. I know a few others on the list have come up against this one. > > > Have you tried playing audio just from the Mac, to make sure your > > audio interface, or one of the cables in your system isn't messing > > things up? > > No, I haven't tried this yet, but I will. This may narrow the > problem down to the MOTU > interface. > > I do in fact use a USB hub, but it is not connecting any audio > related peripherals. But I will > disconnect it entirely and see if that has any affect. All my RAM > is high quality stuff so I > doubt that would be the problem, but who knows. Well I had about 3.5 gigs in my G5 and discovered after about 6 weeks of head banging (and not the good kind) that one of my 512 meg sticks was friend. I removed the gig (the G5 wants ram in pairs so both had to go) I stopped having problems. I just wish I could find something like a hardware ram tester so I could use the good one... > > > And please understand I'm saying this with no disrespect meant, > really. I know > > how frustrating this computer stuff can be. > > Your suggestions are very much appreciated, I need all the help I > can get with this! > > > Also, make sure you update to the latest UAD-1 drivers. There have > > been a couple of issues lately that are being solved with the > latest updates. > > I just noticed UA has a new 4.5.0 driver for the UAD cards so I > install it. I also have a few > hints from James Ciglar at UA regarding settings that might reduce > potential FW / PCI > conflicts. The guys at UA are great to deal with, and the webzine has allot of answers to issues as well. Good luck, George Leger III > > FH ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

On Dec 31, 2006, at 5:16 AM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't wanna mess up my system with a demo, so I'm asking you guys: what's the added value of Ozone, when having Logic Pro 7? > In my opinion Ozone is not a professional tool, The loudness tool is more like the loudness button on a stereo than a limiter or compressor although it does do some limiting. The eq and compressor are not great. The PSP mastering bundle is a far better tool . Lou Gimenez The Musiclab 2" 24 track and way more www.musiclabnyc.com

Every now and then a piece of gear or software comes out that changes our lives and the way we work. Its rare - I know - but it happens. When it does its magic. Ozone 3 was one of those that fit that category for me. -Jason Hefler PS: I DO NOT work for Ozone!

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, George Leger III <george3@...> wrote: > As for limiters, the UAD-1 precision limiter is the best I've come > across, and I have allot of plug-in limiters. It seems to be able to > increase the volume without crushing the transients as much as > others, for the same amount of gain reduction. > > Jody Whitesides can verify this, as I just mastered an Xmas CD for > him, and he was pleased with the relative volume and sound compared > to some of the louder commercial mixes out there. > > Take care, > > George Leger III Yeah, I totally agree with George on this one. Once I bought my second UAD-1 card, I've been able to use more of the UA plug-ins in my mixes and they sound great and are very reliable. I also like Sonalksis and Roger Nichals (Elemental) Comp/Limiters and EQs. As for watching a fequency analyzer for mixing. I glance at them, but I never rely on them. IMO, you could find a perfect curve of frequencies and be mixing parts that sound bad, but have great looking frequencies curves. Just raising or lowering frequencies isn't the answer. Solid arranging and parts is the answer. And when they fall in line, you'll know with your ears, that everything sounds right. Relying on Technology only goes so far. That's a quote from George Martin; not me. Cheers

On 31.12.2006, at 19:11, revDAVE wrote: > I'm not sure if any of this is true or not - but I have heard some > talk > about the stereo spread in logic not being as wide in the mix as it > could > be. I think it had to do with using a stereo track vs two mono tracks > instead. Sorry, I cannot follow. What means "as it could be"? We are in the digital domain. Do that people believe that Logic subtracts numbers from the left and right channel just to cheat us? Or do they expect a software to make their mix wider than it is? Where is the problem? ___ Peter Ostry

On 31.12.2006, at 23:32, Lou Gimenez wrote: > In my opinion Ozone is not a professional tool, The loudness tool is > more like the loudness button on a stereo than a limiter or compressor > although it does do some limiting. The eq and compressor are not > great. > The PSP mastering bundle is a far better tool . Would you please test that again? What you call "loudness tool" is an effective limiter. The EQ is one of the most neutral EQ's I know, therefore perfect for a so-called mastering plugin. The same applies to the multiband compressor (and there is no other compressor). PSP does not offer a "mastering bundle". If you refer to the bundle Neo/MasterComp/Vintage Warmer/MasterQ, that is just a software bundle. Although its components can be used for mastering I doubt that Vintage Warmer is in the mastering category. As George Leger has put it, Vintage Warmer can "save your ass" but it is definitely not a mastering tool. Btw - I love Vintage Warmer. __ Peter Ostry