> Message posted by Xavier Davis <xdavis@earthlink.net>: > > This isn't really a question. It's more of a search for your ideas and > comments about this situation. > > I currently have a MDD G4 Dual 1.25 with MOTU 2408 MK III and a > UAD-1 card. I also have a 15 inch Powerbook 1.67 with the MOTU traveller. > > I would love to get rid of both computers and get a much more > powerful new Macbook Pro to replace them since I travel frequently. The problem > is that I am addicted to my UAD-1 card. Right now this is the only thing > keeping me from going ahead with this. magma expansion chasis. but not sure if they make one for the new little pcmcia type slot thingy. `jAs.n http://www.myspace.com/samonik http://www.myspace.com/theshellstudio

On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Trevor Gilchrist wrote: > It's fascinating to see how much each > one influences memory consumption and most of the time the feedback > from the Activity > Viewer makes sense. But recently, I've been watching the dark blue > "inactive" memory > segment — which I believe to be the cached 'waiting to be re-used' > memory — just fill and > fill until it's, well, full. At that point I get erratic behaviour > (clicks and stutters etc.) in Logic > and the only thing that I can find to clear back to proper > functionality is a restart. Logic > doesn't crash, per se, but it certainly seems to be straining. My > "active" memory segment > rarely gets up much beyond a few hundred MB. > > Is there enough detail in this description to get some advice from > someone with a bigger > brain than mine, 'cos I'm not sure what's going on. Is the > 'Inactive' memory segment where > the machine hangs on to samples on the off-chance I might need > them? If so, can I clear it > — like the 'purge' commands one finds in Adobe programs? Inactive memory is memory that hasn't been accessed in awhile, so it is eligible to be swapped to disk. The most likely scenario is that your rig is reading large sample libraries into RAM and then not using most of it. If your free memory goes down to close to zero (10-20MB or less) you simply don't have enough RAM. The stuttering starts when the o/s has to start swapping to and from disk. The giveaway is to look at the "page out" count (the second number on the page in/out line.) If it is nonzero, you have been swapping, and if it is going up, you're swapping now. (Conversely, if the page out count is zero and stays there, buying more RAM will *not* make your system run faster.) Additionally, the VM system will leave the executable code of applications that have exited as inactive memory, so that if you relaunch the application it will load faster the second time (since at least parts of it are already in RAM.) Since this memory is marked read-only, it will never get swapped out if the system needs more RAM (it will just get freed, and it will load from the application file again as needed.) This isn't optimal for your purposes, since the system may end up swapping other stuff unnecessarily while leaving the executable code pages in RAM, so if your memory is really tight it isn't a bad idea to reboot the system before starting your work (and not running anything other than the applications you require.) There is no manual method of flushing this memory (and it wouldn't help you in any case, since it will just write all those samples out to disk and make things run even more slowly.) To make a long story short, you need to get more RAM if you're running out... --Dave

Although nothing can beat playing (or recording) with real musicians, you can liven up the BIAB drum track several ways. In the BIAB "GS" paramaters,make sure the "Auto-send GM Mode at Start" is enabled,create a SMF and import it to Logic. Then make your own drum kit in Ultrabeat. The preset kits, in a word, are lame-especially for Jazz, (or Surf, for that matter). Play the sequence and choose samples that sound appropriate.Sometimes I will transpose rows of events in the Matrix editor up or down to match a sample to a more realistic pattern. Then open the track's Matrix Editor and experament with the Humanizer (Local>Function>Transform>Humanize).You can make your drummer as loose or tight as you want. Ultimately a Loop, by definition, is repetitive. BIAB arrangements can be tweeked to break up the monotony and Logic can add even more realism to your artificial band.

anyone know how i can get the all of the past LUG e.mails? i'm on a mac useing mac mail i would think some one could just zip the LUG folder or something `jAs.n http://www.myspace.com/samonik http://www.myspace.com/theshellstudio

On 29 nov 2006, at 02.11, Eric Salter wrote: > The automation I'm recording is not in sync during playback. It's > shifted a bit early, a little less than a 1/16th note. The data graph > appears where it should, so it seems the data is recorded with the > correct values, the shift happening in playback somehow. The shift > happens with both track and region based automation. Other midi data, > such as notes or mod wheel events play back perfectly in sync. Very > confusing. Anyone know what's going on? I've settled with the praxis to write automation from what I hear instead of depending on what I see on the screen. That's the only way I can get some automation to sound right. Especially with extremely fast and short parts the automation envelope curve magnified on Logic's screen does not at all represent the actual audio sent out. I can't explain where in this digital system the graphic curve "gets delayed", so when graphics and audio diverges I work with the audio and trust my ears. Takes a little more time though. If audio produced by automation sounds a bit late at one part I simply select that part of the automation and drag it bit earlier - until the music sounds right. If you use some hardware to "play" automation into Logic you may check your latency compensation settings in the preferences. You may also measure if there is a systematical timing error and move recorded "played" automation according to this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom

>>> Is there a way in Logic to scratch a sample like a turntable? I >>> have tried pitchbending using EXS24 but that is kinda lame. Any >>> plug-in sugeestions? >>> -kris >> >> try DestroyFX's Turntablist. >> dru > > The most effective way I have found is to use a hardware CDJ with > digitalut. Burn your sample to CD and scratch using the CDJ, > I use Turntablist quite effectively Cheers Clive Young

Hi Forum, I have beeen reading a lot of posts here and I can tell that you guys are serious about sharing information/insights. I have been waiting to get my hands on the MPC before posting any questions or concerns. Since I got it 2 days ago, I have been mastering the layout for a better understanding of the beast and I can tell you that I am very pleased. However, I do have a question for some of you that are using Logic with the MPC. I want the mpc to be the Master and Logic to be the slave. My Setup consists of an MPC 1k, Logic Pro, M-Audio OZONIC. The Ozonic has one midi I/O and is an audio interface. In Logic's setup, I have created a midi interface with connected port IN KEYBOARD EXTERNAL and Connected port OUT KEYBOARD EXTERNAL and called it MPC. I have connected all the cables properly to set up the MPC the be the master and it has worked properly. In Logic's Environment, I have created a physical input of which I have attached the External part of the Ozonic to a Channel Splitter and connected Channel 1 to 16 to 16 different Instruments within Logic. Since I want to use Logic as a sound module, I am able to record the Drum Patterns from the MPC to Logic but I cannot record an actual audio track from my insturments. The Midi Events have been recorded in the MPC but I failed to understand the reason behing not being able to record the sounds. I am already loving the workflow between the two sequencers and if I can make this work that would be a killer/perfect setup for someone to produce with ;as Logic would never crash or stop to state it has overloaded. I am pretty sure some of our power users might find and underline something that I am missing. I have spent more than 6 hours trying to figure out. I have attached teh instruments to an audio track, bus, aux, anything I can think of but it does not work. Desperate Times call for Drastic Measures (hence The Forum Experts 8) .) If there's a lack of info, please feel free to post a reply. Thank you in advance, Harmonik P.S I am still under the Factory V2 (BLACK MPC) if that matters

alberto cinco <alberto_cinco@yahoo.com> wrote: > Just to piggyback onto this, I'm especially interested in opinions on the best way to learn the Score editor functionality. I'm aware of the Johannes Prichl (sp) documentation. Are there other resources out there? You may be interested in a newly available book called "Logic By Arrangement" by Sheldon Sper, published by Oxford University Press, which contains a considerable amount of information on using the score function in Logic Pro 7. I should declare an interest in that I was involved in proofreading the text. HTH, Jonathan

Hi there, I just wanted to let everyone know today is the final day we'll be accepting FabFilter group buy signups, so for those who always wait until the last minute, the time draws neigh. :-) Signups will be disabled at midnight PST (-0800 GMT). Best wishes Jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------- For the LUG's 22nd Group Buy, we are pleased to offer a 50% discount on FabFilter's Total Bundle and Value Bundle! The bundles offered include all of FabFilter's creations to date, including two just released on October 25th 2006: FabFilter Timeless and FabFilter Simplon. The other three offerings are FabFilter One, released in early 2004, plus FabFilter Volcano and FabFilter Twin, both released in 2005. See below for more information about each one. All plugins are available as Universal Audio Units (Intel/ PowerPC) as well as VST 2.0 for Windows and OSX. Each purchase includes all formats, and licensing is done with a serial number (no iLok or challenge/response required). Signups will be accepted until November 29th and payments are due by December 13th. Please see the group buy web page, http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/fabfilter for full details and to sign up. (Existing FabFilter customers: unfortunately we cannot handle special discounts for people who already own some of these plug-ins through the group buy. However FabFilter is offering 40% discounts on Simplon and Timeless in their normal online store for anyone who already owns Twin, Volcano or One) About FabFilter: With the release of its first product FabFilter One in 2004, the Amsterdam based company FabFilter Software Instruments underlined that the emphasis in plug-in design should be on sound quality in the first place. That's why FabFilter have put so much effort into developing their highly acclaimed filtering techniques, smart parameter interpolation methods and superb digital oscillators. All FabFilter plug-ins available today also feature perfectly fine-tuned knobs and ranges and generally show great attention to detail.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "synesthesian" <synesthesian@...> wrote: > i'm having a hard time finding a attenuator to go between my > sound card and amp. not intersted in big knob. what i actually > want is the nht volume control. simple, low cost, great quality, > but they are out till january. can anyone recommend another. > thanks > here is link to one that i want but are out > http://www.nhtpro.com/products/pvc.html I have had good luck with http://www.smproaudio.com/MPATCH.htm I see they have an M-patch mkII out now as well but its not 1U so I'm still happy with my original M-patch.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Eric Salter <ericsalter@...> wrote: > > The automation I'm recording is not in sync during playback. It's > shifted a bit early, a little less than a 1/16th note. The data graph > appears where it should, so it seems the data is recorded with the > correct values, the shift happening in playback somehow. The shift > happens with both track and region based automation. Other midi data, > such as notes or mod wheel events play back perfectly in sync. Very > confusing. Anyone know what's going on? > > Thanks > Hi Eric, there is a preference setting for this, I don't know if its your problem, but its worth giving it a go... Logic Pro>Preferences...>Audio>General>Sample Accurate Automation Hope this helps, Mike

Xavier Davis wrote: > I would love to get rid of both computers and get a much more powerful new > Macbook Pro to replace them since I travel frequently. The problem is > that > I am addicted to my UAD-1 card. Right now this is the only thing keeping > me >>from going ahead with this. As I don't own a UAD card (only fooled around with some on friends' systems), I'm probably not the best person to comment on this, but: As you will gain quite a lot more of native power, have you checked out some (partially CPU hungry) native plugin alternatives? Also, which UAD plugins are you especially using? I think it really shines on the compressor side of things, but even for those there might be some native replacements. Sonalksis and the likes come to mind, plus, from what I know, ti won't be all that long anymore until the (excellent, but Windows only) Kjaerhus plugins will see an OSX port. At least that's what the developer seems to plan. The newer Waves plugins seem to be a fine choice as well, but of course they're rather pricey. The same goes for a Magma extension chassis. I think, for what they offer, they're overpriced. Let alone that, as samonik said already, there might not be models for the new PCMe (or whatever they're called) slots yet. I would in any case check out some demos of whatever native plugins. Most of the serious ones should be available as UBs rather soon as well. - Sascha

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "T.J." <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by T.J. <griotspeak@...>: > > final cut, or logic? > > does this happen regardless of the font chosen? and is there enough room for the font to be bigger? > Sorry it is logic express. It doesn't matter which font is chosen. As soon as you select any setting in the menu, the notes disappear. Re-opening the file with "system (8)" as the font returns the notes. I could do this years ago with logic score for windows.

On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Trevor Gilchrist wrote: > I've been studying the idoiosyncracies of memory usage whilst > working in Logic (7.2/Dual > G5/7Gb RAM/10.4.8) to see where the resources come and go as I > instantiate various > instruments and their libraries... > > I'm a big BFD user. And RMX, Kontakt, Trilogy etc. It's fascinating > to see how much each > one influences memory consumption and most of the time the feedback > from the Activity > Viewer makes sense. But recently, I've been watching the dark blue > "inactive" memory > segment — which I believe to be the cached 'waiting to be re-used' > memory — just fill and > fill until it's, well, full. At that point I get erratic behaviour > (clicks and stutters etc.) in Logic > and the only thing that I can find to clear back to proper > functionality is a restart. Logic > doesn't crash, per se, but it certainly seems to be straining. My > "active" memory segment > rarely gets up much beyond a few hundred MB. > > Is there enough detail in this description to get some advice from > someone with a bigger > brain than mine, 'cos I'm not sure what's going on. Is the > 'Inactive' memory segment where > the machine hangs on to samples on the off-chance I might need > them? If so, can I clear it > — like the 'purge' commands one finds in Adobe programs? Or am I > completely > misunderstanding what's what? There certainly seems to be some > correlation between the > 'filling up' of the inactive memory segment and poor behaviour in > Logic. > > Any advice greatly appreciated. No rush. Posted by: "Dave Katz" dkatz@dkatz.org dkatz42 [interesting explanation snipped] > To make a long story short, you need to get more RAM if you're > running out... But with 7GB installed you should be able to load Logic up to roughly 3GB of real memory before things get flaky. So it seems weird that the active segment rarely goes beyond a few hundred MB. The first question I have is whether it isn't something silly like disk-streaming not being turned on or installed in Kontakt? (Does BFD stream?) In any case, I've never seen this happen - once you have samples loaded, Activity Monitor shows the same amount of RAM assigned to Logic in perpetuity. Well, that's not entirely true, because if you're close to maxing Logic out and load more samples, I've seen it lower the RAM use and start filling up virtual memory (i.e. the hard disk). Anyway... there's a great trick for accessing way more than 3GB on a single machine, and that's to run stand-alone versions of instruments outside Logic. That gives each instrument its own memory space; you won't get 3GB per instrument, but I've been loading about 7GB reliably on an 8GB machine. This works well with K2, since it has 64 program slots, but you can't run it as a plug-in and stand-alone - you have to choose one. Does BFD have a stand-alone version? That would be a good candidate. Then you send the stand-alones MIDI using IAC and route their audio into Logic's mixer using Soundflower (free download from Cycling '74). Or if you have an RME interface, use its loopback feature to route the audio. (We actually have an article about this in our Dec/Jan issue, which is just about to hit the stands. Excuse the obnoxious own-trumpet blowing...) Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:52 AM, mt100uk wrote: > there is a preference setting for this, I don't know if its your > problem, but its worth giving it a go... > Logic Pro>Preferences...>Audio>General>Sample Accurate Automation Mike, That solved the problem. Thanks. Eric

Logic 7.2??, OSX - I'm setting up an environment for the Korg M1R and have a program card and Combis to contend with. I've been successful in getting only to the internal sounds to respond to program changes by setting up a multi-instrument. The program changes also respond under a combi in "multimode", but I cannot access the card sounds via prgram changes. I've tried setting up numerous bank change scenarios to access the card sounds, but it only defaults and changes to internal sounds. Does anybody know how to set up an environment to access the card programs in a Korg M1R or M1 such that you can pick all things available under your instrument list? Hope this makes sense to somebody... thanks bryan

BTW for those of you in the L.A. area I am teaching a 1 day seminar on Logic's score editor on 1/28.07. http://www.logicprohelp.com/training.php www.jayasher.com Logic Certified Trainer

> Posted by: "synesthesian" synesthesian@yahoo.com   synesthesian > > i'm having a hard time finding a attenuator to go between my > sound card and amp. not intersted in big knob. what i actually > want is the nht volume control. simple, low cost, great quality, > but they are out till january. can anyone recommend another. > thanks > here is link to one that i want but are out > http://www.nhtpro.com/products/pvc.html Sound On Sound just did a positive review on a new passive unit, the "SM Pro M-Patch 2". HTH, Peace, Ed Billeaud Snowflake Studio P.O. Box 7637 Breckenridge, CO 80424 970-453-6830 edva@earthlink.net http://www.soundclick.com/edbilleaud

Hello, I'm having issues with Waveburner (1.1.2). For some reason the ID's in the CD's I master are not showing up. When I put a CD in iTunes the CD just comes up as "Audio CD" and track names are simply "Track01" etc HELP !!!!

Hi, Does anyone know where I could find some mapped intruments for JV-1000's rhythm Preset A-B-C and D? Thanks!

Hi Xavier: If there's any way you could postpone making a move on this right now, it might be the best course of action to sit tight for a few weeks. There's currently a lot of chatter on the UAD forums about the possible imminent arrival of a UAD-2, which could be: a) a firewire box like the SSL Duende, b) another PCI card with much more power than the UAD-1, c) an announcement that they've created native versions of their plugs. I'm not sure which of these is most likely, or whether any of them rise to the level of probable, but if you can wait until NAMM in January we should find out whether UA has anything new up their sleeve. And they better. I love my UAD-1 too, but the antiquated processing power it provides is definitely a workflow bottleneck in my dual G5 system. FWIW, I'm transitioning out of using their plugs and into native alternatives (PSP, Eliosound, etc), and I won't be buying any more UA plugs until they do something to increase the power of their tools. Good luck! ~ MB

>"Xavier Davis" <forums@...> wrote: >I would love to get rid of both computers and get a much more powerful >new Macbook Pro to replace them since I travel frequently. The problem >is that I am addicted to my UAD-1 card. Right now this is the only >thing keeping me from going ahead with this. >-Xavier Sell your UAD-1 card on Ebay or elsewhere and buy a new one that's compatible for your Mac Pro. Pretty simple really. cheers

Dave and Nick, thank you both for such on-the-money (and understandable) explanations. Now I get it. I know that Kontakt hangs on to unused samples, but it does have its own 'purge' capability which dumps every sample NOT used in a given MIDI track (or universally). It's something one has to remember to do, but a great feature (not unlike the equivalent in Vienna Instruments, I believe. But this standalone/Soundflower idea is VERY interesting. I was in composer John Frizzel's studio recently and he'd ditched his two Gigastudio rigs in favor of a second G5 (for reasons that I won't drag up here) and was using a couple of free utilities to do much the same thing — with standalone instances of pre-v2 Kontakt running on the second machine. It was too much for me to absorb at the time, but now I'm ready for it :-) I've just done a search for Soundflower and see on the related forums that 'Jack' has just been released (formerly only Linux-based) and that it does much the same thing (some are saying better), so there's something else to look at. BFD *does* have a standalone version, but only in its stereo-only garb — no multiple outs — which is a shame. That said, to run Kontakt through Soundflower would free the RAM situation up so much that BFD would be less of an issue. I'm strongly considering getting this new Muse Research Receptor Pro as my BFD workhorse anyway. I've been talking with the grande fromage at Muse about it's capabilities in this regard, and here's what he emailed just yesterday: "...I loaded the JNF Big Gretsch Brush Set, the Gretsch Maple Kit, and the WFL 1958 Brush Kit from XFL, all at once on a Receptor Pro. You do have to set the RAM cache and disk streaming settings on BFD properly, I've got it set to 8192 and16384, if I trigger them all at once (all 3 kits, so I am playing 3 snares from 3 different BFDs every time I hit the snare, all on MIDI channel 1) for a layered sound the hard drive gives out, but that is probably not what you are doing, you probably just want them all ready to go so you don't have any load time, and will be playing individual hits fom each kit...so this setup plays with no glitches and will work perfectly for your needs. By the way, at this setting, Receptor says I still have 42% of memory available...and I have the buffer latency set to 256 samples." Allegedly, (word on the street) many of the revisions that have been made to BFD that have turned it from a buggy liability into a stable workhorse have come through FXPansion's close working with Muse Research... All good stuff. Thanks again for your wisdom. I'm going to report back when I get everything working and look forward to the article in your un-missable mag! Trevor

Thank you Dave for your great explanation :-) Please see my reply to Nick Batzdorf below — don't want to bore you with a duplicate response :-) trevor

> is that I am addicted to my UAD-1 card. Right now this is the only thing > keeping me from going ahead with this. >magma expansion chasis. >but not sure if they make one for the new little pcmcia type slot >thingy. >`jAs.n Yes they do make a interface card for the new laptop format. It's on their website. George Leger III ________________________________________________________ http://www.myspace.com/georgelegeriii http://www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}