<quotes repositioned and fixed by admin> > On 31 mar 2006, at 07.56, William Haubrich wrote: > > > A friend claims he's running Tiger 10.4.5 on his specially altered pc > > computer (not a Mac). He's offered this scenario to me as a 1/2 > > price alternative to upgrading to a G5. > > > > Is this legal? Advisable? Anyone have any experience with this? > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Per Boysen <perboysen@...> wrote: > Hi, > > You may read up here: http://www.xplodenet.com > > To me it's much more tempting to run XP on a Mac. I won't do it until > I need it though, because I still have a nice Centrino laptop handy > for the one and only XP application I need besides all the stuff I > run in OS X. But maybe next year I can do it all on one intel cpu Mac? Hi, My understanding is that Apple does not allow OS X to run natively on a PC (for example, a Dell). It can be done via emulation, but given Logic's power requirements, that's not advisable. If it was me, I'd just save for the G5, so then everything will work at top speed for that machine, drivers will be available, and audio cards will work fine (mine does!). In my experience, when I try to save money like is described below, it ends up costing me a ton of money in the long run, and turns out to be a decision I regret. I'd rather have a system I can count on and depend on, even if it costs me more money, but that's just me. I hope this helps. Russ

I have recently installed Logic 7.2 and now when I startup Logic, it hangs if I need to authorize any plugins or demos (For example - Antares Auto Tune) The white Antares Authorization screen pops up, but I can't press continue or cancel. If I try and click anywhere on this window I get the familiar (no can do) bong sound. To carry on scanning other plugins I must go to the Activity Monitor and Force Quit the AUVAL process which means I cannot authorize the plugin. Its like the white authorize window cannot be accessed in any way. I can't ALT + TAB to the AUVAL process as its hidden. I've tried sending commands to it through the Activity monitor, but all it does is quit the process or fail the authorization. Please Help!

Thanks for that tip - I tried it and it works. But the strange thing is that it comes up as -34 in the Key Commands window. Suppose it doesn't matter what the computer thinks is going on, so long as when I press "i" , I get Select Inside Locators!

> > Has anyone implemented the parallel compressors (up and down) > outlined in Bob Katz' book under Logic? > Yes- I have had pretty good success with parallel upward compression and the logic compressor. Amazing what parts of the music it brings out- hi-hat and cymbol decay in a drum loop- but it doesn't mess with the transients- I actually have a mastering envirnoment set up to do just that, it is nice to have it set up so you can just drop it in - the routing takes a while. Bob mentions using a short delay to get the phase right, this is no longer necessary with plug-in delay compensation. Stay away from the look ahead parameters- causes major phase issues. For this technique to work they have to stay in PERFECT phase, listen hard, it is subtle but effective. Many compression plugs - including waves- offer upward compression as part o' the plug and their implementation beats the manual way IMHO , and it is much easire to drop in a plug then do all the routing that Bob describes. But it gets you thinking in a different way; parallell effect processing can be used with a wide variety of plugs and can be quite cool. excellent book by the way, enjoy, Loudon -- http://loudonstearns.com

On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:22 PM, HKC wrote: > Two key commands - Select Inside Locators and Select All Following > - don't > work. They are i and f respectively, and are shown as such in the Key > Command window. But when I press i or f nothing happens. > > Have you tried using the key position setting in the key command > window > instead of the actual letters. Many people, including myself have > reported > that there can be problems when using letters without a modifier. I find I have that problem sometimes. In my case the bug is usually between the chair and the monitor. I find myself getting really pissed off at Logic for about an hour or so and then I notice that the caps lock key is lit. Duh. But surely nobody else is that dumb...

On 3/30/06, witsendcorky <witsend@optushome.com.au> wrote: > Today I installed the Feb 24, 2006 Mobile I/O Universal Driver Upgrade (http:// > www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/download/mio_driver.shtml) for my Dual 867 G4 running > 10.3.9 with MH Mobile I/O 2882, and experienced immediate (upon playing audio of any > kind) and repeatable kernel crashes. I backgraded to the Mobile I/O MIO+DSP v2.2 Update > from Sept 8, 2005 and system back to normal. > I have emailed Metric Halo support and will post any feedback I get. Approach with > caution. It's fine here (dual 2.5 G5 running 10.4.5) with a ULN-2 both standalone and as an aggregate device with a MOTU896HD.

There're a few plugs suitable for mastering, I think, that haven't been mentioned, and I'd like to hear other people's opinions. I'm in the market for a new final-stage limiter/maximizer, and as much as I'd like something like L3 I just don't want to deal with "renting" plugins from Waves. So what do y'all think of... Elemental Audio Finis (I love Firium. It's my go-to surgical linear-phase EQ. Is Finis as good?) SlimSlow C3 (A free FREE! multiband comp that happens to have a linear phase option. I've played with it a little and it sounds pretty surprisingly good in FIR mode, although the interface is kinda clunky. It's missing an input gain control, though, which is kinda irritating. Any opinions on this one?) PSP MasterComp (Tried to get the demo...they sent me the iLok key but no actual plugin demo. I like PSP's stuff though, generally. How's MC stack up?) Any others I should be looking into? __________________________________________________________ Eric Oehler / wonko@nulldevice.com / www.nulldevice.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, nturnill@... wrote: > > Have brought a MacBook Pro and installed Logic Pro without a problem. Great Machine! I have never been happier with a new Mac than I am with this MacBook (and I'm going on 18 years of owning various Macs, laptops and Desktops). Keep in mind, however, that as an early adopter of the Intel Macs, we are going to have to wait for the rest of the Mac developers to catch up. For example-- > Also installed Reaktor without a problem. But when I try to call up > Reaktor as a plugin whilst using Logic, there is nothing in the plugin > part/directory for any plugins apart from Logics own plugins. That is correct. Logic has been completely ported over and recompiled to run natively on the Intel CPU. That means it can only "see" plug-ins that have also been ported over and recompiled to run natively on the Intel CPU. Other applications that have not been recompiled, such as Microsoft Word, will still run on the MacBook, but they run inside a special "real-time compiler" called "Rosetta" that basically changes the PowerPC code into Intel code. But Rosetta is not fast enough for realtime media use, and doesn't include ALL of the PowerPC instructions (such as Altivec). So it won't work for plug-ins running inside native applications. To sum all that up, you're going to have to wait until Native Instruments releases their Intel Mac version of Reaktor to use it on your MacBook Pro. A bummer, but worth it, in the end. :) BTW--Native Instruments has actually already posted their Intel Mac support timeline on their website for all their software: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=intelmac_us&ftuÞ48c c5910 So they plan on releasing Reaktor in Q2/2006. Assuming they can make their goal, that only means a couple of months without Reaktor in Logic. Orren

On 3/31/06, nturnill@aol.com <nturnill@aol.com> wrote: > > Have brought a MacBook Pro and installed Logic Pro without a problem. > Also installed Reaktor without a problem. But when I try to call up > Reaktor as a plugin whilst using Logic, there is nothing in the plugin > part/directory for any plugins apart from Logics own plugins. Did you try to run the au manager? Does it show up there? it might be failing the validation. -Loudon

hi, fairly new to Logic... 4 months on it. At a beginning/ intermediate level using it. am basically writing tunes at the moment... you know, A sections, B sections, Chorus, Bridge... etc... wondering if any songwriters/composers can give me some workflow tips/ideas. I have a tune for instance, where the Arrange page is a mess at this point. I like to try re-hamonizing sections, so I have tracks of reharms... and then to hear the different versions - I mute them. However, the Arrange page gets cluttered... and I find I want to try transposing sections... then reharming those - or changing the melodies on the chords... anyways... my Arrange page is a mess. It just occured to me - that I should probably just make separate song files for each... but that's a lot of versions and mess also - though probably better than what I'm doing. How do you composers/songwriters go about having a logical order to such chaos when experimenting/creating within Logic? Could definitely use some tips from people who have figured out a strategy/process for this. Please assume I am a complete beginner when passing along ideas. Thanks in adance!!

Thank you for your knowledge. Its a shame because I was looking forward to taking Reaktor to bed with me tonight. Will have to make do with Sculpture instead. But seroiusly, going off on a different direction slighty. I can use Reaktor as a standalone but my 1.83Ghz 512RAM MacBook can not handle most of the ensembles. Is it down to my 512RAM?. Would find it surprising though and a little disappointing. Am heading to Kings Cross tonight to swap my body for more RAM Cheers Nathan

> > I can use Reaktor as a standalone but my 1.83Ghz 512RAM MacBook can not > handle most of the ensembles. though 512 is not a good place to be in reaktor land the bottleneck is most likely that it is running under Rosetta so all those crafty performance optimizations are useless. Loudon

> wondering if any songwriters/composers can give me some > workflow tips/ideas. > > I have a tune for instance, where the Arrange page is a mess > at this point. I like to try re-hamonizing sections, so I > have tracks of reharms... and then to hear the different > versions - I mute them. However, the Arrange page gets > cluttered... and I find I want to try transposing sections... > then reharming those - or changing the melodies on the chords... > anyways... my Arrange page is a mess. > > It just occured to me - that I should probably just make > separate song files for each... but that's a lot of versions > and mess also - though probably better than what I'm doing. > Welcome to the World of Ill-Logic ;-)) One good tip is to make use of "View > Object colors" (might have changed in your version) I use a kind of color hierarchy, say Red for best Orange for ok Yellow for probably needs re-doing and so on. Also have all the relevant takes on copies of the same audio track say Audio 1 put logic into cycle mode of the section you need to audition then just cycle round the takes muting as you go. You can then slice up good sections of each take. I then Have a empty copy of the same Audio track 1 at the top of all the takes which I then drag my definitely good take regions to, you can then use that to make your comp track and do any cross fades etc. I let some one else answer the transpose bit. Also this question has been asked here a few time try a search on "Vocal Comping" or something.

On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Blair Fisher wrote: > On 3/27/06 2:12 PM, "James Gathigns" <jegathings@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I tracked a drum kit for one of my songs this weekend. Does Logic >> have a tool that will map the kick drum to a sampled kick drum in >> Logic based on the peaks? >> >> Thanks, >> -jg. >> > James > > I have had limited success doing this in Logic - but I admit I > didn't try > very hard. Somebody on the group told me about AppTrigga - it works > very > well for what you want to do. I do this all the time in Logic. Just use the Audio to MIDI function. I takes a bit of experimenting to get the right parameters, but eventually it works out. You might have to go in by hand and add or remove a few notes to make it perfect, but it's not too hard. ~Rufuss

>> >> Message posted by peter wieschermann <y.music@netcologne.de> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> >> Is there a general experience in the forum with this tool? >> Is there an easier way to do it than I did? >> Thanks in advance! >> > Excellent question! I haven't had the 'nerve' to try this yet. I just wanted to mention that I tracked some drums with Audix D2's on the rack toms and an Audix D6 on the Floor tom. Initially I thought I liked the sound, but when I started mixing I decided I didn't like them sounding different. So I used the Match EQ to make them sound more alike. First I matched the rack toms to the floor tom, but only turned the intensity up half way. Then I matched the floor tom to the rack toms and turned it up half way. That way each tom was leaning toward the other's sound. The results were really amazing! They started off sounding totally different, and now they pretty much sound the same. You can hear a very rough mix of the song at www.estrummusic.com. This is a MySpace page so the sound is very degraded streaming audio, but you should be able to hear the sound of the toms. ~Rufuss

Hi all, Hope someone can shed some light on this, I'm somewhat in the dark here. I'm thinking of adding a TL Audio M3 tubetracker mixer to my setup. What I would like to do is use it as follows: - Audio and synths coming from logic going straight into the M3, from RME 8 channel ad/ da's. - Apply the EQ's from the M3 to the signals. - Feed these signals from the M3 Direct Outputs back into Logic, and monitor from Logic, not from the M3. (It's only 8-channels, so I would be bouncing the audio into Logic to free up channels on the M3. I rarely use more than 16 channels so it shouldn't become a major hassle I guess). Anyone know if this would be a workable situation? Would there be considerable latency with the signal going out and back into Logic? (Again, the idea is to still monitor thru Logic) Any insights would be very much appreciated! O.

> A friend claims he's running Tiger 10.4.5 on his specially altered pc > computer (not a Mac). He's offered this scenario to me as a 1/2 > price alternative to upgrading to a G5. > > Is this legal? Advisable? Anyone have any experience with this? There are (successful) experiments running Intel Tiger on PCs. However this requires workarounds for Apple's methods to make it NOT run on a PC, so it is an illegal modification of Tiger. Also this setup is known not to be very stable (yet). I think half the price of a G5 is a bit too much money for an illegal hack. :o) Wait for Intel Powermacs to be released, and either get one of those or buy a G5 which will then be half the price it is now. :o) Maurits.

Eric Oehler wrote: >I'm in the market for a new final-stage limiter/maximizer, and as much as I'd like >something like L3 I just don't want to deal with "renting" plugins from Waves. > > L3 is by far the best mastering plugin I have used....my demo is soon to expire and I will purchase it soon. It is a combination EQ and peak limiter. I like it better than the Waves Masters bundle, which costs far more. The L3 costs US$450 (which comes out to $225 for the EQ and $225 for the peak limiter). I agree that the WUP fee is no fun, but with L3 it isn't that expensive. >Elemental Audio Finis >(I love Firium. It's my go-to surgical linear-phase EQ. Is Finis as >good?) > > I love Elemental Audio Systems plugins...I have Equium and Firium and use both quite a bit. I am not all that impressed with Finis. Maybe it's just me, but it's not the best EAS plugin. >SlimSlow C3 > > I am not familiar with this one. >PSP MasterComp > > Never tried it so I can't comment. I love PSP stuff, but I would be stunned if it tops L3, given how good it is. Regards, Dave

<quotes repositioned and fixed by admin> >>On 31 mar 2006, at 07.56, William Haubrich wrote: > >>A friend claims he's running Tiger 10.4.5 on his specially altered >>pc computer (not a Mac). He's offered this scenario to me as a 1/2 >>price alternative to upgrading to a G5. >>Is this legal? Advisable? Anyone have any experience with this? Hi, >My understanding is that Apple does not allow OS X to run natively >on a PC (for example, a Dell). It can be done via emulation, but >given Logic's power requirements, that's not >advisable. Just to clarify.... the question originally posed is NOT an emulation. It's the Intel based version of OSX running on a non-Apple Intel machine. Is it legal..... I think I can say with all certainty, No! I've heard (never seen) that it runs well on both Intel and AMD processors. If you went this route it's doubtful you would have a regular upgrade path or that all hardware would be supported. It's a hack that tricks OSX into thinking it's running on an Apple machine. Everyone knew that as soon as Apple moved to Intel that Windows would eventually be running (legally) on Macs, and that OSX would be running (illegally) on PCs. HW p.s. If Apple sold OSX as a software package, then anyone could buy a copy and install it on whatever.... that is, if the code isn't modified. This is what MS does and why Mac users will be able to run a legal copy of Windows.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, amgshaffer <cedar.bay@...> wrote: > > Eric Oehler wrote: > >I'm in the market for a new final-stage limiter/maximizer, and as much >as I'd like something like L3 I just don't want to deal with "renting" >plugins from Waves. Personally I'm not that turned on by Waves products or their marketing. The best mastering plugs are from UAD-1, Elemental, PSP, and URS. That is, until something better comes along. As far as Expander.....Logic makes an excellent one. Cheers

On Mar 31, 2006, at 6:19 PM, amgshaffer wrote: > L3 is by far the best mastering plugin I have used....my demo is > soon to > expire and I will purchase it soon. It is a combination EQ and peak > limiter. I like it better than the Waves Masters bundle, which costs > far more. The L3 costs US$450 (which comes out to $225 for the EQ and > $225 for the peak limiter). I agree that the WUP fee is no fun, but > with L3 it isn't that expensive. Dave, I will agree with your assessment about the L3 as far as in the box mastering aid. It is the only Wave's plug-in we own, and life would not be as nice with out it. Dave Shirk Pamlico Sounds

> From: George Leger III <george3@...> > > Do you have any other devices on the FW bus? Also is the FF800 >hooked up to FW800? > > Same problem here, with a 128 sample buffer. Clicks and pops, > and glitches when I scroll the environment/do some other 'intense' > graphics stuff. > I tried to contact RME via their user group/Benelux outlet/German > HQ. Deafening silence, unfortunately. > > G5 2*2.7/10.4.5/3 GB RAM/LP 7.2 > > I did lots of testing, system is OK, doesn't make a difference if > the FF is hooked up via FW400 or 800. I even bought an extra FW > card, to no avail. Other stuff on the FW bus (HD) doesn't seem to > have any influence, tried with and without extra FW disk. > > Best, > > Zip I just got the Fireface 800 and I'm running it through the paces with lots of tracks and FX, and I've got NO Pops and/or Clicks. Everything is running seamlessly. Some of my songs are 60 tracks + and everything is pristine and full sounding. I'm using 128 sample buffer with this set-up in Logic and all is well. I've used internal HDs and Firewire HDs and the playback is solid with both. I have also lost the "Chirping" sound I used to get from my Mac G5 when using my older RME PCI card. Now that I'm dong the Firewire Audio thing, everything on the Mac is quiet. I did turn off my system audio sounds in the Audio Midi Set-up. IOW, my System output is being routed to Built In audio output and not my Fireface. The Fireface 800 is awesome. Totalmix is amazing. I can't imagine anyone not loving this product. Cheers

i usually begin working on songs with overlap selected from the drag options. when i switch to x-fade to create a blend everything is fine.. but when i switch back to overlap, x-fades continue to be created automatically. The weird part is, it only continues to x-fade on one track. Even if the regions aren't touching eachother, they crossfade from the edges of the audio file. i can't find a way to turn it off either. it's very strange, and frustrating at times. i searched for this problem in the forum but i couldn't find any posts. am i overlooking something, or is this a bug? I'm using 7.1.1 on osx10.4.4

I've downloaded a few icons from links appearing here in the last couple of days but I can't find where to put them. The manual suggests users/Library/Application Support/Logic/Logic Resources/Icons but that folder does not exist on my system and I haven't moved or deleted it. Where should they go? thanks in advance Andris

>Is there a general experience in the forum with this tool? I've only used match EQ once, but it was quite remarkable. I had to do an update of a TV theme and somehow the mix of version 2 didn't sound as good as the original. I learnt the EQ of version 1 and applied it (can't remember the %) to the new mix. The result - consistency between the two and a much better sound. Obviously, your best results will come from your source and destination having similar orchestration/instrumentation/genre etc. You can't expect to use a Steely Dan mix and apply the EQ to an arrangement of a Bach Orchestral suite..... Regards - Colin