On 7/31/05 4:46 AM, "onekanshortofakrate" <onekanshortofakrate@...> wrote: > I might be getting this wrong and, I admit, I am getting more confused each > time I turn the unit on. Behringer's manual is so unhelpful they might as well > replace it with a kipper. They do not even tell you how to turn the unit on in > its various emulation modes! Is there any sort of documentation that > specifically explains how to use the BCF in these modes or will I just have to > figure it out for myself? I want to make the most out of what it can do and > the Logic Control is an extremely powerful unit. However, I don't even know > how to control the master volume on the BCF! The "manual" for the Logic Control mode (and other emulated modes like Baby-HUI) is the ReadMe PDF file included in the download file for the 1.0.7 firmware upgrade: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/bcf2000_107.zip In the ReadMe PDF are handy charts that show how each control is mapped in each emulation mode. Very useful indeed! -- Mibrilane

Mike Timothy wrote: > Hi all, > I'm working on a track where the vocalist hits a high note and I > want to get it to sustain for about 30 seconds or more, > I've tried looping, or/and timestretching > but the results are a bit glitchy, too synthetic, > or you can hear the loop, does anyone know > the best way to achieve this effect and get it to > sound unnaturally natural :-) > Is there a plugin that can do this kind of thing ? This would be easier to do in EXS. Make an EXS instrument, import the audio into it then use the EXS looping feature. Make sure you have search zero crossing selected and experiment with loop lengths. If there is vibrato on the note you may get a better result if you loop from the peaks or troughs of the vib. Otherwise it can be a lot of trial and error finding the loop start and end, but with crossfade enabled you can usually get something useful. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

> I'm looking for a soft synth that will offer the sound and > flexibility of the Oberheim Matrix 12 (or Matrix 6 or Xpander if not > the Matrix 12). Does such beast exist? If not, I'm also curious as > to what synths and / or filters would be the closest. As a last > resort or a supplement, what might be the best Oberheim / Matrix 12 > samples that still allow for flexibility in manipulating the sound > with filters, modulators, etc. in a way that still retains the > classic Oberheim sound. I've been looking for one too - my M1000 is getting a bit long in the tooth and is kind of a pain to rpogram. :) Oberheim's sound was really defined by its filter resonance peak. You can approximate it by using a 2-pole 12db/oct filter on something like ES-1, Reaktor, Vanguard, etc but what really had it going was the "fuzziness" of the filter as you swept the cutoff. IIRC it didn't get narrower as it swept upwards so unlike the meatier, squelchier moog, arp and roland filters, it just got fuzzy...which could sound sort of thin at times but had very handy uses especially for pads. I've not seen a direct emulator,but you should be able to at least come close with a good 12db/oct filter.

Paul Najar wrote: > You would not need to use Tiger's Device Aggregation with 2 x Digiface > as the HDSP driver supports up to 3 cards running either Digiface or > Multiface breakouts. Really? I didn't know that, I even had a small discurse with Matthias from RME at the AES because I was a little bit upset, that I could not get enough inputs into my powerbook under OSX where this was never a problem with OS9. I thought the multiple device thing would only apply to the ASIO drivers, not to the CoreAudio stuff... Good to know if it's true! Cheers, Daniel -- Daniel Hojka University of Music and Dramatic Arts Institute 8 (Jazz) Moserhofgasse 39-41 A-8010 Graz

> I have the following questions about this: > - It is obviously something to do with CoreAudio. Do I have to do > anything specifically to enable the new version of this component? > - I have been operating fine with only 512MB of memory. Could this be > the cause of the problem? > - some people on this list have referred to two different > ProAppRuntime downloads. How do I make sure that I have installed the > right one/ > - Is there any way to uninstall Tiger? Given my current situation, I'd > rather just go back to the way I was before. > - has any body else had the problem with the stuck "Initializing > CoreAudio" that I described? SAME PROBLEM HERE PLEASE HELP! thanks in advance Fer

On Jul 31, 2005, at 10:48 AM, ferisella wrote: >> I have the following questions about this: >> - It is obviously something to do with CoreAudio. Do I have to do >> anything specifically to enable the new version of this component? >> - I have been operating fine with only 512MB of memory. Could this be >> the cause of the problem? >> - some people on this list have referred to two different >> ProAppRuntime downloads. How do I make sure that I have installed the >> right one/ >> - Is there any way to uninstall Tiger? Given my current situation, >> I'd >> rather just go back to the way I was before. >> - has any body else had the problem with the stuck "Initializing >> CoreAudio" that I described? >> > > SAME PROBLEM HERE > PLEASE HELP! > > thanks in advance > > Fer > Try to install the Pro Application Support Update from Apple's website. Fived things for many people so far... George ________________________________________________________ www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

> I've been looking for one too - my M1000 is getting a bit long in the > tooth and is kind of a pain to rpogram. :) > > Oberheim's sound was really defined by its filter resonance peak. You > can approximate it by using a 2-pole 12db/oct filter on something like > ES-1, Reaktor, Vanguard, etc but what really had it going was the > "fuzziness" of the filter as you swept the cutoff. IIRC it didn't get > narrower as it swept upwards so unlike the meatier, squelchier > moog, arp > and roland filters, it just got fuzzy...which could sound sort of > thin at > times but had very handy uses especially for pads. > > I've not seen a direct emulator,but you should be able to at least > come close with a good 12db/oct filter. This is a very nice response. Thanks for the detailed analysis of the sound. I agree and it's exactly that beautiful fuzzy sound applied to pads that I'm after. What filter comes closest that you know of? I've never actually had the good fortune to play a real Oberheim myself so I'm just working from what I hear on cds and I haven't quite been able to match it yet... Regards, Matthew

> Try to install the Pro Application Support Update from Apple's > website. Fived things for many people so far... > > > George > Unless there has been a new one in the past couple of weeks - i did that. Is there any way to make sure that I downloaded the right one? I understand that there is one for panther and one for tiger. Thanks Naim

On Jul 31, 2005, at 2:48 PM, njmowatt wrote: >> Try to install the Pro Application Support Update from Apple's >> website. Fived things for many people so far... >> >> >> George >> >> > > Unless there has been a new one in the past couple of weeks - i did > that. Is there any way to make sure that I downloaded the right one? I > understand that there is one for panther and one for tiger. > Thanks > Naim > Does Logic get to the scanning of the plug-ins? If so, watch carefully, and you may see the plug-in that is causing the stall. Also, try taking out ALL your audio unit plug-ins, see if it boots then, and add them back in one by one if it does finally boot. George ________________________________________________________ www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Mac AND PC: The only way to fly 8-}

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Hojka <daniel.hojka@t...> wrote: > I thought the multiple device thing would only apply > to the ASIO drivers, not to the CoreAudio stuff... > Good to know if it's true! AFAIK, it isn't. The card may support 3 Digifaces, and TotalMix can see all three (separately), but they are presented to the OS as 3 CoreAudio devices, so it's necessary to use them as an aggregate device if you want _Logic_ to see all three. John Pitcairn -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LC Xmu Logic Control emulation, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff: http://www.opuslocus.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, George Leger III <george3@u...> wrote: > Does Logic get to the scanning of the plug-ins? > If so, watch carefully, and you may see the plug-in that is causing > the stall. > Also, try taking out ALL your audio unit plug-ins, see if it boots > then, and add them back in one by one if it does finally boot. > George Thanks for the reply, George. No, Logic doesn't even get that far. I never see anything about plugins in the beginning splash window. I stuff about setting up memory buffers then lots os stuff flys by to fast to read, then image init, sequencer engine, then the final "initializing CoreAudio" which never leaves. I would assume that the plugins would come after the CoreAudio Driver has started. Naim

> One thing I used to do to achieve this was to make sure I did any   > cuts for the extra segments in a beat, say 1/4 note, 1/2 note,   > whatever. Helps disguise the edit. That, and repeating different patterns. It will start sounding like a loop as soon as the listener hears any regular repetition in the sound, but if you cut it up in a few different lengths and glue/crossfade them nicely together, it will sound a lot more real. Maurits.

Paul & John, I have a spare BCF2000 lying around since getting the MackieCU and I wish I could use it for Totalmix, but Logic keeps auto detecting it at start up and grabbing it for chans 9-16. I would be happy if it just left it alone. Best Regards, Matt _____________________________________________________ MATT MCKENZIE-SMITH MUSIC • AUDIO DESIGN • PRODUCTION PO Box 10395, Adelaide 5000, South Australia. Ph.+61 416 197 883 goodaudiosense.com.au mattrixx.net _____________________________________________________

hello i wonder if we can auto save with logic our work? in final cut pro it auto save every 15 min,,,thank aurayan.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Matt McKenzie-Smith <matt@m...> wrote: > I have a spare BCF2000 lying around since getting the MackieCU and I > wish I could use it for Totalmix, but Logic keeps auto detecting it > at start up and grabbing it for chans 9-16. I would be happy if it > just left it alone. Logic is just far far too agressive about auto-detecting control surfaces. It scans every port in the system. This may have made sense when the LC was the only one it used, and only worked with Logic, but now it's just trying to be too clever, and this supposedly user-friendly setup feature becomes very user-unfriendly indeed. Other apps let the user _specify_ which controllers/ports should be used, and don't do any agressive auto-scanning at startup, which I think is a far more sensible approach. Replace the "Logic Control" control midi device plugin in the Logic 7.1 application package with the one from Logic 7.0.1, boot the spare BCF into MC-emulation. Logic won't see it. Boot the real MC into LC-mode. Logic will find that. Unfortunately, you will lose the LC improvements in 7.1 by doing this (mostly dialog-box related). Alternately, you could try using MidiPipe to "hide" the BCF hardware ports from Logic only, and always startup in this order: LC Xview/TotalMix, MidiPipe, Logic. But this is all just silly workarounds for a problem that shouldn't exist. Is Michael Haydn listening? Can we have the LC module only scan for LC/XTs, not for MC/XTs (so we can add any MCs manually)? Can we have the microKONTROL module as a manual-add only? Can we have a global preference that tells Logic not to auto-scan all unassigned ports for new surfaces? Please? John Pitcairn -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LC Xmu Logic Control emulation, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff: http://www.opuslocus.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 31/07/2005, at 10:05 PM, John Pitcairn wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Paul Najar <paulnajar@j...> wrote: >> I believe that MOTU's Cuemix has offered midi control for some time >> now. > > Yes. Unfortunately MOTU apps can't be used with LC Xmu because MOTU in > their infinite wisdom do not support control surfaces used via virtual > CoreMIDI ports - the control surface communication is via hardware > ports only. Interesting. For a second with the recent Totalmix update I feared that RME might have done the same thing. Clever Guys they are. They always seem to get their functionality just right to my way of thinking. > I got the master-fader split working. It requires using the older > Logic 7.0.1 LC control surface plugin (which doesn't do MC-mode), and > booting the LC into Mackie Control mode, so Logic can't aggressively > grab it (I really hope Logic will stop doing this in the future, no > other apps do it without the user's permission). Then LC Xmu can > handle it from there, though realistically only one app should write > to the MC displays & LEDs, otherwise it gets just a bit messy & > confusing. Advanced users only... > > In practice, it's also completely workable (and a lot easier to set up > and use) to use LC Xmu's host-switching ability to quickly toggle the > whole surface between hosts, allowing each host to think it has > exclusive use of the LC/MC, with full update on each switch & no midi > conflict. > > This currently works well, assigning the LC "user" button to rotate > between Logic, Cubase, TotalMix, Live 5 etc - though running all four > at once to test is really a strain for my poor old TiBook. Ok. So do you mean that your thinking is that you should -switch- the LC/MC so it's controlling one or the other at one time? It reads that this is what you're looking at. To my way of thinking the ideal would be to have certain buttons & faders on the LC/MC controlling Logic and other buttons & faders on the same LC controlling Totalmix. All active at the same time. The ideal way for this would be to be able to specify which program (logic or Totalmix) each controller on the surface sends to. Is this possible and do you see the value in this sort of approach? Kind regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 01/08/2005, at 3:31 AM, jonathankek2000 wrote: >> That's the main problem. The HDSP9652 occupies two PCI slots. One for >> the card, another for the daughterboard. As the G5 has only 3 slots, >> it's not possible to install two cards. >> >> Nickie > > Then 2 RME HDSP Multifaces and PCI Cards will do the trick. RME sells > the combo for around $700.00 US Dollars. So, 2 would be around > $1400.00 US Dollars. It's like they were made for exactly what you're > trying to do, and you'll still have one PCI slot left. Correct except that it's the Digiface He'll want not Multiface. Each DF has 3 x Adat I/O. Multiface has 1 x Adat I/O + 8 Analog I/O. Both have 1 x SPDIF I/O. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 2005/07/31, at 23:47, njmowatt wrote: > Sorry to revisit this problem but I still cannot get Logic to fully > boot after upgrading to Tiger. > > This is the situation thus far: > - I did and upgrade to 10.4 (not an archive or clean install) > - all other apps seem to behave fine so far except for Logic Pro 7.01 > (don't have 7.1 yet) > - The Logic Splash screen indicates that all it fine until it gets to > "Initializing CoreAudio" > - It stays here indefinitely – weeks if I just leave it! I experienced similar trouble (with Logic Pro 7.1- and in my case Logic stopped showing "setting up memory buffers"). I tried clean install then importing everything from backup using Migration Assistant, and Logic got fine. I'm not sure what actually caused solution, but I hope this could be some help. Tatsuo

On 01/08/2005, at 5:52 AM, Daniel Hojka wrote: > Really? I didn't know that, I even had a small discurse with Matthias > from RME at the AES because I was a little bit upset, that I could not > get enough inputs into my powerbook under OSX where this was never a > problem with OS9. I thought the multiple device thing would only apply > to the ASIO drivers, not to the CoreAudio stuff... I run a Multiface PCI in a G4 under OS X.3.9. X.4.X would not be any different. You can see the support for up to three cards right there in total mix and the other setup program. A laptop might be different since it only has one card bus and with Digi/Multiface you can only put one breakout per PCI card or card bus. That'ss why in A G5 it would take 2 slots to run 2 x Digiface. Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 01/08/2005, at 9:20 AM, John Pitcairn wrote: > AFAIK, it isn't. The card may support 3 Digifaces, and TotalMix can > see all three (separately), but they are presented to the OS as 3 > CoreAudio devices, so it's necessary to use them as an aggregate > device if you want _Logic_ to see all three. It's not the PCI card as such that supports more than one Digiface. In fact each card can support ONLY ONE interface (Digi or Multiface). So 2 x Digiface would require 2 x PCI cards. It's actually the Totalmix Software that sees up to three PCI + interfaces and turns them into one big core audio device. I'm reasonably sure this is how it works although I've never done it. Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 01/08/2005, at 9:16 AM, Matt McKenzie-Smith wrote: > Paul & John, > I have a spare BCF2000 lying around since getting the MackieCU and I > wish I could use it for Totalmix, but Logic keeps auto detecting it > at start up and grabbing it for chans 9-16. I would be happy if it > just left it alone. > Best Regards, That's a pain. The only other controllers I have don't do feedback so Logic doesn't care what they are - and I don't get any motorised fader updating. I just simply mute the midi in for that port in Logic. Maybe this could help you. Whatever midi port the BCF is coming in on, cable that port on Logic's physical input to an instrument that doesn't go anywhere. Is there some generic midi controller mode you can put the BCF into so it doesn't do the handshake with logic? Can't think of anything else. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 01/08/2005, at 6:14 AM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > This is a very nice response. Thanks for the detailed analysis of > the sound. I agree and it's exactly that beautiful fuzzy sound > applied to pads that I'm after. What filter comes closest that you > know of? I've never actually had the good fortune to play a real > Oberheim myself so I'm just working from what I hear on cds and I > haven't quite been able to match it yet... You'll probably find that part of the sound is eq & compression. Those old analog synths used to beat, swell and surge quite wildly & Oberheim was no exception. I've been playing, recording and mixing these synths since they were first around and I've nearly always used quite heavy compression on the pads in particular to control the dynamics since you usually want a pad to be like a wafer or thin layer in the overall mix. Compression really changes the sound of these pads and gives the illusion of changing the harmonic spectra a lot more than actually is there. Slow attack, quickish release. As for a good 12db per oct filter. Try all logic's synths but don't forget to try the LPF's in the various EQ plugins & dedicated filter plugins also as they offer certain flexability that the synths filters don't. To get the fuzziness try inserting and tweaking an exciter straight after or before the filter. Finally, whatever synth you're using make sure you're using a sawtooth waveform as this is where the "fuzzy buzzy" really kicks in. You really should be able to get very close to the sound with only the tools Logic offers. Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

Maurits van de Kamp wrote: >> One thing I used to do to achieve this was to make sure I did any >> cuts for the extra segments in a beat, say 1/4 note, 1/2 note, >> whatever. Helps disguise the edit. > > That, and repeating different patterns. It will start sounding like a > loop as soon as the listener hears any regular repetition in the > sound, but if you cut it up in a few different lengths and > glue/crossfade them nicely together, it will sound a lot more real. In Melodyne you can stretch notes as long as you want... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Paul Najar <paulnajar@j...> wrote: > Ok. So do you mean that your thinking is that you should -switch- the LC/MC so it's controlling one or the other at one time? It reads that this is what you're looking at. That's my personal approach - I prefer to keep it very clear which app is the current target, rather than having to remember how the controller is split up. Switching is pretty fast, and doesn't require bringing the target app to the front. > To my way of thinking the ideal would be to have certain buttons & > faders on the LC/MC controlling Logic and other buttons & faders on > the same LC controlling Totalmix. All active at the same time. The > ideal way for this would be to be able to specify which program > (logic or Totalmix) each controller on the surface sends to. > Is this possible and do you see the value in this sort of approach? I can see that some will find this useful, epsecially for the master fader, a few buttons and jogwheel, and this will be possible using LC Xmu, with the following limitations (at least in the initial version): You must use the older LC module with Logic, and boot the surface in MC-mode, so Logic can't hog the surface. You should preferably specify that a single target app has control over writing to the LC's display, (LCD, assign, transport, LEDs and v-pot rings), because: While you can use LC Xmu to remap or split LC buttons, the corresponding button LED feedback is NOT remapped or split at present. So if you want to remap/split buttons, using buttons without LEDs is somewhat preferable. The LCD display can't be split. It's unlikely I'll ever support this, it would be an awful lot of work. It is possible to allow multiple apps to write to it, but the results can be a bit messy. You shouldn't currently remap a motorfader, ie fader 1 should stay mapped to fader 1 regardless of the target app, to ensure fader feedback goes to the correct motorfader. This does not preclude app-splitting however. Ditto for v-pots, if you want the appropriate led-ring to be lit for the correct v-pot. Reverse-mapping the feedback for remapped faders, vpots and LEDs is technically possible however, and this may occur as a later update. John Pitcairn -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LC Xmu Logic Control emulation, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff: http://www.opuslocus.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > I'm looking for a soft synth that will offer the sound and > > flexibility of the Oberheim Matrix 12 (or Matrix 6 or Xpander if not > > the Matrix 12). Does such beast exist? If not, I'm also curious as > > to what synths and / or filters would be the closest. As a last > > resort or a supplement, what might be the best Oberheim / Matrix 12 > > samples that still allow for flexibility in manipulating the sound > > with filters, modulators, etc. in a way that still retains the > > classic Oberheim sound. Used to own a Matrix-6, kick myself for selling it. Not an Oberheim but still a beautiful analog synth emulation, the Pro-(52,53) series Prophet synths from Native Instruments, has an audio input so you can run tracks through the filters. http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=pro53_us Looks like there's some demos available. HW