On 30/11/2004, at 6:26 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > No. But since you have internet access you probably already know about > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/. Yes, I'm on it. I just thought it was a tad inconsistent that there's an EXS list but no list for other VIs. Andris

Hi Pete, You said/asked: << I would avoid overlapping regions if possible. Why would you want them to overlap? To me it only confuses things. >> (These are all MIDI regions) Well, when I'm recording the chorus after already recording the verse, I use punch-in recording to record the chorus. I need to overlap the end of the verse because I tend to come in just a hair ahead of the actual start of the measure. So I end up with on measure worth of overlap. I have to do the same thing for at the other end for similar reasons. Now I've got overlap at both ends. I can clean up the beginning overlap easy, but not tail end. Anyway, the overlap is unavoidable. At least for the way I record music. Hope that explains the "why"... Kamm

Hi, In another DAW there is a command called "trim" that given no audio selection will "strip silence" off of the start and finish of a file _only_. This is extremely useful for when you have just recorded an external synth sequenced with midi and know that the relative timing between the notes are correct, but where the clip starts isn't due to midi and/or audio card latency. Once the silence is cut off of the front of the file you can snap it to it's position and the timing will be on. I know about strip silence. From what I understand this will affect the whole audio file, breaking it into regions based on the threshold and parameters. I only want to "strip silence" for the silence at the start of the file. Using the marquee tool with smart on seems to do an "ok" job of this, but that tool always seems suspicious to me, like i'm not sure what i'm going to get. Is there a simple way to do this in Logic? Thanks, -- Ben Harrison http://mumble.sectionz.com

> I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like 60% > of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking of > the > 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. I just purchased a 14" ibook, 1.3Ghz/60Gb/airport/etc for $1049 from the apple refurb site. It is great for small mixes and live recording. Brian

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sonny Keyes" <sonnykeyes@s...> wrote: > > I know this isn't what you want to hear, but I have the exact same > setup as you and have no problem at all with RMX drag and drop > into Logic. All I can think of is that the midi files that come with > RMX somehow got installed wrong and RMX can't find them..? > > Sonny Keyes > SKa Music > Toronto > > www.skamusic.ca If I only knew how to direct Stylus RMX to the correct file or copy the file or an alias to the appropriate spot. Any suggestions? Tech support hasn't figured this out so I'm hoping for some logic guru genius to come forth with the answer. David

> whereas the iBook only allows the external > monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Kamm Schreiner" <kamm@s...> wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > You said/asked: > << > I would avoid overlapping regions if possible. Why would you want them > to overlap? To me it only confuses things. > >> > > (These are all MIDI regions) > Well, when I'm recording the chorus after already recording the verse, I use > punch-in recording to record the chorus. I need to overlap the end of the > verse because I tend to come in just a hair ahead of the actual start of the > measure. So I end up with on measure worth of overlap. I have to do the same > thing for at the other end for similar reasons. Now I've got overlap at both > ends. I can clean up the beginning overlap easy, but not tail end. > > Anyway, the overlap is unavoidable. At least for the way I record music. > > Hope that explains the "why"... Ah, so you have a tiny overlap. Does it matter which is on top? If they are MIDI regions they will both play. It would only matter which was on top if one was obscuring the other, and you could sort that by "create new track for overlapped regions" from the track menu. I would either merge the regions or else create a new track (same instrument) Best Regards Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk

>From: "Kamm Schreiner" <kamm@...> >>Of course the very best option is to record to audio however many takes it >>takes :) >Why? It would just add another layer of background hiss to the instrument >(small, but measurable). It also soaks up a ton more CPU. As I've mentioned, >I'm testing out Logic as a current Sonar owner. Sonar is dead on stable and >I've never ever felt afraid that I was going to loose anything. Are you >suggesting that I convert to audio simply for fear of loosing a patch >setting? If no, why? There's quite a few good reasons to record the MIDI instrument to audio before the final mix. All of the audio plugins (including third party) become available. That synth part might really come alive with a bit of compression and eq. There are some great tools and efx that can only be done with audio tracks. Also, I think the final mix benefits from mixing purely from audio tracks, I couldn't prove it but it feels like everything sits more comfortably in the mix. Have you ever tried it? HW

> In another DAW there is a command called "trim" that given no audio > selection will "strip silence" off of the start and finish of a file > _only_. Strip silence on the whole file, then glue tool or keycommand. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on my second drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. Thanks in advance Gareth Hemmings Logic 6.4.3 Dual G4 1.42 1GB ram OSX.3.6

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Thomas" <pt@p...> wrote: > Ah, so you have a tiny overlap. Does it matter which is on top? If > they are MIDI regions they will both play. It would only matter which This is actually yet another wondrous 'L7 Bug'. It was discussed a few weeks back when I first ran into it. Unlike earlier versions of Logic, no amount of clicking on a hidden region will bring it to the 'top'. It's extremely annoying and serves no useful purpose. I have lots of old songs where an imprecise edit left two overlapping regions, say between two different takes in a 'comp' track. In this case, you can't just use "tie regions by length/ position'. You want to examine each track in close-up and fine tune the edit point where one ends and the other starts. In Logic7, this is no longer possible without shifting one of your overlapping regions to another track! Just what I need, another 'workaround'. Hey, maybe they should change the name of the program from Logic 'Pro' to Logic Workaround? You know, I used to be bugged just because L7 had so many old bugs still crawling around and biting me now and then. Now I'm more annoyed at the NEW bugs that have been thrown in as a bonus. I'm getting real tired of waiting for the 'inevitable' fix. Has anyone out there actually paid the outrageous 'support' price and gotten any idea if Apple has any timetable for FIXING this rapidly multiplying swarm of binary pests?

On 30/11/04 10:55 pm, "John Pitcairn" <johnp@...> wrote: > The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but > Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between > the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very > unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. Obviously it is "at your own risk" but I used this hack the whole time I had an ibook without any problems. Resolutions etc were all selectable independently from the monitors control panel and it worked exactly like my powerbook does now. This was a g3 not a g4 though. Steve parker.

Hi Howard, That never occurred to me. I'll have to give that a try sometime. Although, on my system, it is a pain to mix down from a midi track to an audio track. I have to hook up a patch cord and make sure I don't setup a feedback loop in the process. It might be worth it for one or two important instruments. Like you say, to give it that extra punch. Thanks, Kamm

On Nov 30, 2004, at 1:50 PM, Tony Perretta wrote: >> However, the PowerBook >> allows your external monitor to be a "second" monitor in addition to >> the PowerBook screen whereas the iBook only allows the external >> monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. That alone is >> worth getting the PowerBook IMHO, plus the PowerBook has a slightly >> faster system bus and a line in, which I am not sure the iBook has. >> >> Take care >> Jesse Widener > > I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like > 60% > of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking > of the > 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. 60%? The iBook in question was the 14" combo for $1299 US. The 12" PowerBook combo is $1599 US. $300 difference; less than 25% for dual monitor, faster system bus, audio line in and more video memory. Not to mention a better feeling keyboard IMHO. Take care Jesse Widener

> Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone > else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the > Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on my second > drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I > call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a > prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed > something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to > expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. > > Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. > > Thanks in advance > > Gareth Hemmings > > Logic 6.4.3 > Dual G4 1.42 > 1GB ram > OSX.3.6 Actually, I installed it, used EXSManager to resolve the file locations, opened an EXS instance, loaded the piano, waited almost five minutes for it to load, and it appeared. The problem was one side of the stereo image was piano and the other was white noise. This usually gets resolved when you change the file type, e.g. .wav to SDII, but that's a big bulk process I'm not looking forward to. I will email Michiel Post and let him know we're having problems and see if he can't help. James

Hi Pete, << >>Ah, so you have a tiny overlap. Does it matter which is on top? If >>they are MIDI regions they will both play. >> >>You are certainly right that it, strictly speaking, doesn't matter. However, >>I'm kind of a neat freak in this respect and it just bothers me to have them >>overlapping. Yes, it's a sickness, I know. <grin> << >>I would either merge the regions or else create a new track (same >>instrument) >> Although I'd prefer to just use the same track, that's a workable alternative. Thanks, Kamm

I see what you're talking about, but I tried all three selections (Overlap, no overlap, x-fade) and I couldn't see that it made any difference no matter which I chose. I'll have to dive into the manual to see what it is supposed to do and how to use it. Kamm

On Nov 30, 2004, at 2:55 PM, John Pitcairn wrote: >> whereas the iBook only allows the external >> monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. > > The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but > Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between > the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very > unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. Very unsupported being the operative phrase. There has also been mention of the hack damaging the iBook. I also don't know if the hack works with the latest and greatest iBooks. All in all though, would the supposed "professionals" of this list really want to mess around with / risk such a thing to save a few hundred dollars? The time you lose in work for the trouble would pay for the PowerBook. Take care Jesse Widener

Hi Timsonian, You wrote: << >>This is actually yet another wondrous 'L7 Bug'. It was discussed a few >>weeks back when I >>first ran into it. Unlike earlier versions of Logic, no amount of clicking >>on a hidden region >>will bring it to the 'top'. It's extremely annoying and serves no useful >>purpose. >> Well, that's encouraging actually. If it used to work, they may bring that functionality back. It certainly seems to me that bringing the clip to the front is what *should* happen. That is actually what I expected. You also wrote: << >>You know, I used to be bugged just because L7 had so many old bugs still >>crawling around >>and biting me now and then. Now I'm more annoyed at the NEW bugs that have >>been >>thrown in as a bonus. I'm getting real tired of waiting for the >>'inevitable' fix. Has anyone >>out there actually paid the outrageous 'support' price and gotten any idea >>if Apple has any >>timetable for FIXING this rapidly multiplying swarm of binary pests? >> As a Sonar user I can definitely say that Sonar has far fewer bugs than Logic. However, I still find myself drawn to Logic. I can't quite place my finger on why yet, but I do enjoy Logic. Both programs are extremely powerful. And I don't use the word "extremely" lightly. This list has been very helpful in getting me past the few stumbling blocks I've encountered so far. Thanks to all of you! Kamm

Kamm Schreiner wrote: > I see what you're talking about, but I tried all three selections > (Overlap, no overlap, x-fade) and I couldn't see that it made any > difference no matter which I chose. I'll have to dive into the manual > to see what it is supposed to do and how to use it. No need to do this, it´s broken in L7. :-((( Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

> I guess this is yet another annoyance. It should remember what > tool you just used without telling it "rememeber what I am about to > use". This is actually a very powerful feature, esp. considering that you can set your "option tool" independently for every editor window in Logic. BTW the "arrow with the squiggly line" is the automation tool. How are you curving your automation without it? Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 7.0.0 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.6 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

>No need to do this, it´s broken in L7. :-((( Wouldn't you just know it! Kamm

Hi, Using G5, L7 with RME Fireface, 2 UAD, Powercore, Mackie Control, etc.. I was hoping for some changes in v7.... but still miss many things..... and that is not!! more fancy plugins ;) Why on earth is it not possible to make a PUNCH in/out like on a tapemachine? Never got record toggle to work properly...... Especially when using Mackie/LOGIC Control this is really strange to me. Did some dubbing on a live session today (no midi, click etc) When using preroll... bars or seconds. You DONT HEAR whats happening on the track before the punch in (pretty relevant). I found a work around... set left/right locator and enable drop.... thats gives a lot! more mousework and more stress on your mouse arm.... you know how it is after a 14 hour session.. "Punch in on the second phrase" .. shift-enter, click drag, click drag..., zoom in, click drag, click drag, zoom out, click, click etc... Well, sorry for the rant and if these are old topics... I have used Logic for 8 years (and been here..) PT and now L7... I might need to find other ways to get "things" done.... but is hoping Apple would steal some more basic ways of work from PT... they did pretty good with the automation (but could REALLY improve more... like the grouping in...) How do you fellows handle dubbing (and 3+ tracks at a time...)? Best, Pelle

Hi all, I posted this on the EXS users group so to those of you on both groups....sorry for the duplication. I'm working on an orchestral piece. 28 exs instances so far. I'm in about 3 minutes into the piece and my song file has become haunted. When I open it I get a message that tells me the song is damaged. It offers me 2 options repair and encapsulate. Either of these choices produces a dialog that says minor problem in data (3)..... repair or exit. Hit repair and the song opens.... things seem fine.... but they are not. Note lengths in several sequences are extended to be maybe a hundred measures in length....fix them...they come right back....or I can get another dialog that tells me there is another minor problem in data (3).....repair or cancel. DON'T HIT CANCEL.....the sequence goes away. It becomes an empty sequence called trash. Hit repair and logic thinks for a minute and does seemingly nothing. One of my EXS instances keeps loosing it's samples. There have been other problems I copied a sequence from one track to another and was told that I had done some kind of circular something or other and to contact Emagic and tell them how. Notes in a sequence can just show up at a different pitch Anyway....the song is full of goblins. I need this song.... Is there someway to salvage this thing? All help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. julie

Hello No matter what channel I set the track that the EVD6 is plugged into, it accepts note messages from any MIDI channel. For instance, If the channel is set to 4, it will recieve note messages transmitted on 1, 2, 3, & of course 4. I must be missing something, but I don't know what. I do not have this problem with other instruments and plug-ins, such as for instance EVB3. Thanks in advance for any insight. Regards, Doug