Hi everyone! I am having the same noise problems that others have mentioned before, and I am trying to find the fix. I notice when I press the mouse down the noise stops and I get noise from hard disk activity. A high pitched kind of noise. Apple has told me to take the computer to Compuzone to have it checked out, but I can't be without the computer so I was wondering if there is something I can do to fix the problem. The apple guy tried to get me to buy the Apple support and told me that even if I took the computer to Compuzone and they found it to be a software issue they would still charge me. How can they say this is software? Is there a different cooling system or power supply I should buy? Thanks all, Paul

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "randwman" <randw@n...> wrote: > You need to > 1. start Logic... > 2. put Logic into PLAY... > 3. then launch Live. > > Also, make sure ample rates match up 1st. > Worked for m a while back. > rRand Never heared of that. Put Logic into play? I just start Logic, then Live and all works great! Try to download a new mididriver for your keys, happened to me once that functionality of the keys was only partly corrupted. Hope u can sort it out mate, this sux. O.

> From: haven siguenza <haven.siguenza@...> > considering the multipressor has audible phase problems to begin with, > I would never use it to master anything. but it does sound nice on > individual instruments, whose less complex sound may not be effected or > even may benefit from the phase shift around the crossovers. I may be too ignorant, or perhaps I am deaf, but I can hear that fase shift you are talking about. It occur to me that as I always use the Multipressor on a track insert (one track for each CD track, for mastering purpuse) the problem could appear when the Multipressor was put in the Master. Well, I did the test again, inserting a Multipressor in a track, and comparing with the Multipressor inserted in the Master. But I could not detect any leakage. No crossover at all. What I did for the test was a stereo audio file with a percussion beat only on the left side. Use the Multipressor and did a Bounce. The resulting file has absolute silence on the right side. What I am doing wrong? What should I be listenning to hear that fase shiftting? I don't get it. Abraços Mauricio Domene <mbdomene@...>

Hi there, here is my first post, because of my first mysterious bug under Logic, therefore I'm using it since version 2.5 ! I'm a french musician, using Logic Pro 6.4.2 under Mac OS X, on a G4 quicksilver 933. I've recently bought a Novation Remote 25 keyboard, a nice and small keyboard with a lot of controllers, and an USB midi interface included. It's delivered with a Core midi driver, and a set of Logic "command keys" for Logic to learn transports commands and so on. Cool. But sometimes, especially when working with a quicktime movie, the use of the transports keys on the Remote25 makes Logic crazy. As if a very long and quick serie of orders (screen set changes, play stop rec...) was sent. The only solution is to "force to quit" Logic, the most stable soft I ever used ! Any help ? Thanks, Yan

> I partitioned the internal drives on my G5. However it seems that you > can only do that when installing the system. I was used to the comfort > brought by PartitionMagic on a PC and had to reinstall Panther to set > up a suitable partitioning ;-) Hi Per- Doesn't partitioning the system drive still leave the drive heads divided between the tasks of recording and the OS? I was under the impression that it was recommended to have a dedicated *physical* drive to record on. best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production www.doghouseNYC.com The Doghouse NYC www.pianoVOX.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Ceri Thomas <payment@s...> wrote: > Why would you want to do this? > > Render a quicktime movie in Final Cut and then go into Logic and import > it using the Option:Movie menu item. Ah! You must think "outside" the box, grasshopper. As often as I need to edit the audio to match the video, I need to edit the video to match the audio. This is particularly true with intricate sound design. The constant rendering back and forth of audio, then video is a real time consuming pain. If you're working in an environment where the video is thrown "over the wall" and you're stuck with it, then your approach is perfectly acceptable. Also, if all you're doing is block overlap editing, then you can just do it within FCP. If anything, I'm biased towards the audio ruling the visual edits, but it really works both ways. Randall

> I can't load Moog Modular V with a message : Core Audio : Not enough > memory to open plug-in (-10108). I think is one is to do with enough memory to open the plugin GUI... try this workaround. open any other plugin... click the link button on the plugin window and the link button the arange to make the wondows linked.. now move the plugin window to the top left of your screen (right in the corner) .. now double click on the plugin slot to open the minimoog... does it work? cheers, Neil.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Stephenson" <pauls@p...> wrote: > I am having the same noise problems that others have mentioned before, > and I am trying to find the fix. I notice when I press the mouse down > the noise stops and I get noise from hard disk activity. A high pitched > kind of noise. Hi Paul Go here ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/Tool_Chest/Testing_-_Debugging/Performance_too ls/ and download CHUD Install and go to the window that says Nap and click it so the check mark goes on. That should do it.

Here is a well written post about the problem (from the now-defunct osx forum) http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?128@9.Bb3navPMhAu.5@.599a487d http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@140.RHXia7X9pU3.0@.599d2ccf Rob Yales email to logic-users: When you turn off the Nap setting in CHUD tools, you disable processor cycling. Because Apple put a cheap transformer coil in the power supply, the processor cycling induces RF which propagates throughout the G5. Check this out from the MacFixit article I mentioned: Reader Markus Altendorff has also posted a few excellent demo sound files, and provided a few informative comments: I can confirm the PSU noise problem - my machine beeps/chirps under any of the following conditions: a) Graphics card use, esp. with OpenGL b) Copying files over a network c) Opening a file in Quicktime player After installing the CHUD tools (Apple, Developer software), disabling "CPU Napping" (some sort of power-down mode during idle clock cycles) makes the chirping go away COMPLETELY and instantly. My guess (and backed by a friend of mine, former electronics pro and now IT...) is that (cheap) filter coils in the PSU start to vibrate, similar to loudspeaker coils, when the CPUs switch between high and low power use, which can happen very often at 2 GHz clock cycle. Since disabling CPU napping results in the CPUs consuming a fairly constant current, the vibrations stop (the magnetic fields in the coils remain constant). The bad thing about this is that the chirping also shows at the USB and Firewire ports, causing trouble when you try to use this computer in a recording studio - the thread at Apple Discussions contains quite a few complaints about how the G5 is barely usable for audio production because of this. Several readers report that Apple replaced the power supply in their G5 as a result of noise issues. In some cases this solved the problem, but not in every case.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "randwman" <randw@n...> wrote: >> You need to >> 1. start Logic... 2. put Logic into PLAY... 3. then launch Live. >> Also, make sure ample rates match up 1st. Worked for m a while back. > From: "darealbasoski" <mail@...> > Never heared of that. Put Logic into play? > I just start Logic, then Live and all works great! > Try to download a new mididriver for your keys, happened to me once > that functionality of the keys was only partly corrupted. > Hope u can sort it out mate, this sux. I suppose there are two issues here: 1. Getting my controller keyboard to work with Logic - without Live 2. Getting Live and Logic working together. At the moment, although (2) would be nice, I'm more concerned about (1) Even without Live running, my keyboard no longer works in Logic (maybe its got nothing to do with Live...? but I can't think of any other changes I made at the same time...) I checked for drivers for the keyboard, but you don't need any for OS X. It just works. (Yes, I know, almost funny, but not quite :-/ ) Thanks for your help, Andy

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zaremba" <jon@j...> wrote: > my entire studio is now on my mac. i'm getting ready to > complete a new project. i'm noticing a significant decrease > in sound quality after bouncing a song to a single stereo track. > the same song sounds much crisper and tighter when played > inside logic (as compared to the bounced version). my tracks > are set at 24/48. a few questions: > is this the fault of logic or my audio card? > i remember a post similar to this a while ago and some > external hardware was suggested. are there any alternatives > to bouncing without using external gear? I am working at 24/44.1, bounce at 24/44.1 (no dither) and send these files off for mastering. Having followed the previous discussions you mentioned, I couldn't hear any difference between my bounces and what I was hearing in Logic "live", although if you are hearing a difference I believe you (and the others who have mentioned this). I donb't wish to cast any doubt on your ears, but have you tried any scientific comparisons? The obvious thing to try is playing a bounced file back along with the Logic tracks, but invert the phase of the track with the bounce on it. (Insert a gainer plug in for this). When I've tried this I get total silence, which implies to me that the bounce is completely identical in all aspects, both tonal and stereo imaging. NB this sometimes doesn't work if you have a cycle active as one or more of the multitracks can play slightly out of sync in this case. It also won't work if your bounce has latency due to plugins on the output unless you can line the bounce up with the Logic tracks. The only slight problem area I've discovered so far is with EVB3, there appear to be a few very minor glitches which are inaudible to me in the bounce, but are there when I phase invert the bounce and use the cancellation test as above. These tests give me the confidence to bounce in Logic, after bouncing I hear what I expect to hear and the test backs it up, but this is just my opinion, I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong if someone can show me a better test or can point out the difference so that I can hear it. Perhaps I'm just lucky with my system Logic 6.3.3 OSX 10.3.4 G5 dual 2 gHz, Metric Halo MIO, UAD-1, Powercore Pete Thomas "The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra www.petethomas.co.uk www.soundtrack-composer.co.uk

> You do have plug-in delay compensation turned on, don't you? Yes I do > Even so, this doesn't work on Aux/busses (at least not on > v5.5.1/Windows...dunno about Mac) I'm aware of this and not using TC plugins on busses/aux channels. > I must say that I don't really find it that laborious to nudge > bounced files back into sync. In fact, I generally find it good > practice to check all bounces for their sync anyway - it's only a > moment or too to correct any waywardness. When you've become accustomed to 'bounce and add' and use it all the time, to have to add extra steps into this process is seriously gonna slow me down... however i'm beginning to feel that its unavoidable... major bummer :( > I have found too that it's best to allow one muted bar either side > of your desired bounce range - especially with the Powercore - I've > noticed Logic appreciates the extra time to get everything kicking > off correctly when the audio & midi come in. I've noticed this too... Good suggestion, thanks. > One thing I've found that is disruptive and irritating, however, is > that cycling isn't always glitch free if there's a Powercore plug-in > involved ..... this is on 5.5.1/Windows anyway so maybe they sorted > all that out in v6.xxx Still the same in version 6. Oh well .. it seems like this is 'just how it is' and that I'll have to learn to deal with it... I'm no stranger to workarounds. I've bought the powercore virus and if the bloody thing didn't sound so good, I'd drop this powercore card in a second as the implementation is shocking! cheers, Neil.

I found a Logic environment for the Motif [keyboard} but it's missing a couple of banks that the Motif RACK has. Does anybody have patch names for the Motif RACK, either as a pure text list or a Logic MultiInstrument? I already checked swiftkick.com f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Hi, Firium is instroducing a delay on my system of 3072 samples. Is there a way to 'slide' midi tracks by samples? ... 3072 to be exact... not ms or ticks. Thanks, Cobb

On 30 Jun 2004, at 15:52, fictionmusic2000 wrote: > > Go here > ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/Tool_Chest/Testing_-_Debugging/ > Performance_tools/ > > and download CHUD > Install and go to the window that says Nap and click it so the check > mark > goes on. That should do it. > > I thought it was take NAP off (not ticked) in the Hardware preference pane - as it is the constant cycling between NAP state and non-NAP that causes the chirp On my G5 Dual 2 GHz I found that disabling NAP eliminates the chirp but causes the internal fans to run significantly faster = louder For Logic I work with NAP switched on (ticked) without noticeable sound pollution issues. This is with a MOTU 896 Firewire interface. I have never tried the built in audio which is where most people have reported problems. Maybe we have better earth grounding in the UK!!! FYI - There have been two firmware releases for the G5 and after each one the fans have run faster but the chirping has remained. An initially silent machine is still very quiet but it does give out an audible low frequency rumble. I occasionally use Dreamweaver where the chirp is unbearable due to the context sensitive mouse position. This puts uneven demands on the processors. For this I switch off NAP. Logic seems to place a more even demand so I don't notice much chirping. Take your pick on which option works for you. Regards, Stuart

> One stereo track, panned hard left; Multipressor on the master output. > As soon as you insert the Multipressor the audio is now full stereo; > the top two bands (in terms of frequency) are left channel only, bottom > two bands appear in the right channel. Amazing, has this not been > discussed before? To me it seems like a HUGE bug in the plugin, unless > I'm missing something here... > > Brian When you are panning a stereo channel to the left you arent actually panning it left youre changing the central position of it arent you? It sounds much more reasonable to test the phase by doing what other people have suggested which is to take a left hand only signal into a stereo channel and then multipress that. Everyone else who has tried this is saying that there is no signal generated in the right hand side - which kinda negates the argument that something strange is going on doesnt it? STEPHE

Emagic removed the "playback delay" paramter away in OSX at first and never included this in the PC version. For those not aware there is a small amount of converter latency not accounted for with most ASIO drivers that you can compensate for with Logic 6, Nuendo 2, and Samplitude 7. However, Logic 5.5.1 for Windows PC has no feature to set this. To make sure your audio ends up on the arrange page where you played it you need to make sure you've compensated for input latency. Don't confuse this with your ASIO buffers, those are fine and Logic calculates those. A/D converter latency can be up to 200 samples with some MOTU gear and this is how late the new audio is being perceived by Logic on the arrange page. You can test your latency by running a click track out your analog out 1 of your hardware device and run a cable right back into analog input 1. If you do this on an analog machine (and go to an adjacent track) the latency from track one to the next is about 2 samples @48k. On your digital system many ASIO drivers do not account for input converter latency at all and will end up 1-200 samples late. In OSX now there is a feature to fine tune this timing but on PC forever we've been hooped. Until now. First you need to use the ASIO buffer delay as a coarse setting. This setting (as I've just discovered) is a multiple of your current ASIO buffer setting. You'll probably have your system set to 512 or 1024 so set the ASIO buffer delay to -1 (let's use 512 as an example). This will tell Logic to put the recorded audio 512 samples from where it "thinks" the audio was supposed to go. Yes, it's ahead of the beat now but don't panic, the problem in the first place is Logic is not getting all the information and this is step one of fixing that. This first step will be over-compensating for the delay. That's OK. Next subtract the current sample delay introduced from the round-trip. If your ASIO delay was 200 samples, this will be 312. Now insert a Sample Delay plugin in the Master Output channel and input 312. Because the channel's new latency is not accounted for by Logic, it counteracts the (over) compensation from the ASIO buffer negative delay. At this point we have fine-tuned the PC's ASIO timing! No more setting is required, only that you keep the small delay on the Master Channel whenever tracking. Furthermore, you can do accurate bounces with the -1 ASIO In buffer setting left permanently on as long as you turn off the sample delay plugin just before bounces - which is convenient since you're bouncing from the same Master Channel anyways. Bob

noone has mentioned the project manager....... great way to backup a whole project WITHOUT having to do it all manually as the previous people answering this question have suggested. Once youve set it up once you can then use it to backup all your EXS24 settings (including the instruments youve used on the song) and all the other logic plugins and all the audio and MIDI data. The project manager doesnt copy settings for your VST plugins though - but seeing as how thats the only thing you need to backup manually its not really bad. I've got in to the habit of backing up my VST plugins folder periodically (also good if youre taking the project elsewhere and need to use a plugin they dont have) and also my plugin settings folder.

Hi I have recently wiped my harddrive to clean it up. I have reinstalled all the software but am having real trouble having any midi input from my keybaord into logic. I have a midiman midisport 2x2 usp interface. My keybaord midi output is conncted to this interface and its usb output to the PC itself. I have loaded all the drivers etc for the midisport and the control panel says it is working correctly. However when I opened logic 5.5 the following error message appears: "A midi in error was reported by the midi driver. Some midi drivers report such errors although midi input data is OK" Help!

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Alberto <logic@a...> wrote: > Yesterday somebody informed about the existence of Receptor, an > independent 2u rack VST host, it can run until 16 instruments and 57 > effects, so many questions came to my head...there are other > alternatives like this for those like me that have a low G4 system? It > seems to be compatible with Mac and Logic but...what about AU support? > Is Receptor a better option than Powercore or UAD-1? It would be > possible to execute Logic plug-ins in in Receptor (o systems like > this)? Can you imagine 8 ES2, 8 ESX24 and 20 SpaceDesigners (or > whatever you want) without stole CPU power from your main CPU? Maybe > just a dream.... I think it will remain just a dream. Logic's main plug-ins (such as the ones you mentioned) are not AUs, by the way. They're built-in to Logic's application code (this is why you don't need to install them, only authorize your XSKey to use them). Emagic's only AU plugs are the EVP73 piano and the EXSP24 sample player... however it appears that Emagic/Apple isn't offering them anymore by themselves, only as part of Logic Express. Awhile back Emagic also released a freebie guitar tuner (ET1?) as an audio unit... GK

From: "lubimi" <cobb@...> > Hi, > > Firium is instroducing a delay on my system of 3072 samples. Is there > a way to 'slide' midi tracks by samples? ... 3072 to be exact... not > ms or ticks. > > Thanks, > Cobb Hi Cobb, Use the 'SampleDly' plug. (It's there at least in Platinum v 5.51 anyway.) It has the option of doing just this, up to 4000 samples max... Danny

HI, I'm having a problem with my xs key... I used logic 5.5.1 in a PC and was working fine. Until a day, that when a tried to open the logic appears a pop window that says: "XSKey communication error. Please remove key and reconnect." I did it. I reconnect the key but the same message still appearing. Please I need some help!!!

On Jun 30, 2004, at 4:10 PM, The Doghouse NYC wrote: >> I partitioned the internal drives on my G5. However it seems that you >> can only do that when installing the system. I was used to the comfort >> brought by PartitionMagic on a PC and had to reinstall Panther to set >> up a suitable partitioning ;-) > > Hi Per- > Doesn't partitioning the system drive still leave the drive heads > divided > between the tasks of recording and the OS? Hi Nathan, Yes, certainly. There's no idea in partitioning the system drive to create a dedicated audio partition. As I understood the original poster he stated that "the drives are too big". Partitioning into smaller areas can protect your system from disk fragmenting (don't sure that's really an issue with OS X systems though...). > I was under the impression that > it was recommended to have a dedicated *physical* drive to record on. > > best, Nathan That's correct. And that's how I'm working over here. My system has the system drive partitioned into (1) "Macintosh HD" (system, program and office working documents) and (2) "Backup" (backup of office work documents). The second internal drive, my "audio drive", is not partitioned at all and contains sample library and project recordings. A third drive, an external Firewire 800, is mirroring this audio drive. I feel quite safe with this set-up. Recordings and sample library mirrored on two different drives. Office working documents mirrored on two partitions of the system drive AND a portable Powerbook laptop (if the stationary machines system drive should break down). All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com

Hi, My 2ghz G5 has a PCI-424 connected to a 2408mk3 and I'm experiencing low level crackling every 10 seconds or so. I'm on internal clock with no extenal devices playing string triads from an EXS-24 instrument. I've changed audiowire cables and swapped PCI slots but I still have the crackle. MOTU thinks its a PCI bus issue. Is there a way to allocate recources on a Mac the way you might change an IRQ setting on a PC? Any other ideas? Thanks for any help I might receive. Jeff

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "wilcofan27" <bobby@b...> wrote: > Next subtract the current sample delay introduced from the > round-trip. > If your ASIO delay was 200 samples, this will be 312. Now insert a > Sample Delay plugin in the Master Output channel and input 312. Not a good idea. This is not compensating the recording, it is merely compensating the playback/monitoring. When editing, you'll be cutting 312 samples ahead of where you think you are, and you'll be unneccessarily delaying any audio that was accurately placed rather than recorded. A Sample Delay can be inserted on each of the Audio Input Objects, so the delay gets recorded and the audio is placed correctly in the Arrange. This is only possible in Logic 5, not Logic 4. By inserting the Sample Delays on Input Objects, you can accurately compensate for different A/D converters, digital loopbacks, etc, which will all exhibit differing record offsets; though you'll be doing so at the expense of adding additional latency when software-monitoring. It may be desirable to adjust your ASIO buffer size so the ASIO driver "IN" adjustment is as close to being accurate as you can get, before you start adding Sample Delays to inputs. See also: http://www.opuslocus.com/logic/latency.html John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------