> curious just what Logic is tracking Just to add to the confusion: There are two legal versions to end a particular MIDI note. NOF = Note Off (with or without a defined velocity) NON = Note On with velocity 0 CHristian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

> Most networks have delivery specs that ask for audio to not exceed > peaks of -10db on the digital scale (0vu=-20db) Would you mind caring to tell us which part of the world this is pertaining to ? Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

> I don't know about software or > Logic compatability. Anything that creates a QT file, really. You can use Final Cut Pro, you can use Premiere, you can use iMovie. iMovie creates a DV stream which has a high data rate, but at the sme time does not tax the processor too much, since there's no coding/decoding going on, as all this is handed over to the external FW video device. Since you also will be wanting to supply work prints (and showreels), VHS is still in good shape, cause really anyone can read it. DVD is catching up though. Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Recently I've been getting blank white Audio edit windows with no possibility to do any audio editing :-( Seems like some sort of memory problem to me. I've tried to reallocate the memory but no change. Anybody else having this problem or anybody knows how to avoid it? Cheers / Henrik

Le 29 mai 04, à 05:43, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> a écrit : > 'Huh' indeed -- esp. the part about not being able to see it. When I > open the TA folder, I get this Arrange like window, with plain > sequences (pain, as in 'visible' :), all containing Fader Events > (Track Based Automation). Should really work... > "See Automation Track" does work fine as you explain. L 6 Pro 6.4.2, Panther 10.3.3, Powerbook 12" 1Gg, 768 RAM --- Gérald Ryckeboer ryckeboerg@...

Hello I´m running Logic gold on a PC with a wamirack 24. After several years I now got a problem with midi in. Even if i works on other programs like finale I get no signal in logic from the midikeyboard. Any hints? Ole

Did the 6.4.2 update (or the latest 10.3.4 OS X update) have any positive effect on the the problems folks are having recording at 96kHz under OS X? I haven't run the update yet due to the problems being reported, but one thing that would make me hasten to install it is a resolution of the 96kHz problems. I'm under the impression that this issue is more CoreAudio-related than Logic, but it never hurts to hope... (For those who are tempted to answer with "why don't you try it and see," I have a big project looming, probably no less than 24-32 audio tracks, for which I'd like to record @ 96kHz, but the last thing I want is to get partway finished and then have to resample everything because Logic/OS X can't keep up.) Thanks! Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4 _________________________________________________________________ | Zebra Group Buy until May 29th!! details: http://logic-users.org |==================================================================| Logic Users Group - http://www.logic-users.org/ListPolicy.html | Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ | **** Search through all 160,000+ messages (thanks Gmane!): **** | http://search.gmane.org/?group=gmane.comp.audio.emagic.logic.users Yahoo! Groups Links

Evan Benjamin <evanbenjamin@...> writes: >Most networks have delivery specs that ask for audio to not exceed >peaks of -10db on the digital scale (0vu=-20db). Levels above that can >often get your tape bounced back to get fixed before they will accept >it. I've never heard of this spec. Ever. Where/who are these networks that you speak of? f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

I created some tracks at a friend's home studio and am trying to import the wav files into logic to arrange them. When I try loading them (dragging and dropping them), I get the following message: "Insufficient access privileges for operation, result code -5000". Since we created the wav files, I wouldn't have thought their would be any sort of protection on the files. Am I doing something incorrectly? PS - I had the same problem when I converted some old band tapes to CD using a standalone cassette-CD machine. When I import the files to edit, same error, then each time I launch the session, Logic tries to re-import the files. Thanks, Kevin

I recently tried recording a MIDI data dump from a drum machine into Logic. I'm trying to store/backup the patterns. Is there a way to do this, or do I need a different utility - librarian editor. Just recording the dump hitting the record key on a MIDI track yielded a single Sysex message. Also, playing the tracks into Logic with the sync to MIDI enabled did not result in a good sync. Any help would be appreciated. I apologize if this is posted elsewhere, but my MIDI knowledge is limited and I'm not sure what exactly I need to search for. Thanks, Kevin

> I created some tracks at a friend's home studio and am trying to > import the wav files into > logic to arrange them. When I try loading them (dragging and dropping > them), I get the > following message: "Insufficient access privileges for operation, > result code -5000". You don't mentioned what OS you're using... if you're on OS X try Get Info on the wav files and make sure your permissions are set correctly. Also check the file's association -- I noticed that Logic will allow me to import AIFF files that are currently set to open with either BiasPeak or Logic, but not others - I have to change the association first before Logic will allow me to use them. Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.4 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

Specs for Discovery, or HBO, or smaller cable stations, usually includes a maximum level. I have had broadcast masters come back that exceeded that level by even a small amount. Sometimes it's less. (-12 or +8 over 0vu)

> Did the 6.4.2 update (or the latest 10.3.4 OS X update) have any > positive effect on the the problems folks are having recording at >96kHz under OS X? In short.....NO! I recently did a test with Logic Pro and Cubase SX to see what gives with audio data transfer in different audio applications. While Logic is stellar at dual processor CPU usage,(much better than Cubase) it is terrible at audio transfer from disk. Since your track count is heavily dependent on the ability of an application to transfer data from disk, Logic fails to deliver the track counts it should in OS X. I thought the audio transfer rate thing was an OS X core audio problem, but in fact, it's a Logic problem. Cubase SX has much better transfer rates than Logic. Cubase SX was showing practically zero on it's VST Disk Performance meter with 36 tracks of 48khz audio being streamed. Logic was at about 30% on it's meter!! If you think about it, everything else audio and video transfers great on a G5. The only thing that gives you the "Disk Too Slow" warning is Logic. This is a major "pet peeve" of mine about Logic. If transfers were being completed as they should, the G5 would be capable of 128 tracks of audio at 48khz, and at around 64 tracks at 96khz. Right now, you'll be lucky to get 12 to 16 tracks of 96khz sample rate audio to stream from your HD before Logic gives you the "Disk Too Slow/System Overload" message. No amount of disk "Raid" or 10,000rpm SCSI or SATA disks, or FW800 drives are going to help your track count. There's a problem with Logic.

I'm on a Mac, exchanging files regularly with a writing partner who uses Logic for Windows, so we ran into the same problem. I found that I can select the WAV files and the folders containing them all at once and change Ownership & Permissions using Get Info (command I) only once. I don't have to repeat the process for each file.

I have started to put the burden of capture on the editor in order to save myself hard disk space and time.If the project is edited on Final Cut, I have the editor render out a small 320 X 240 cinepak movie file which features a timecode burn (using a Final Cut plugin). I then ask them to export the program audio seperately as an Aiff of the same length. I recieve the files on CD or DVD, and plop them into my scoring template. The program audio is placed in track one, and the video file is imported and locked within the screenset. The only thing to watch for is that your project framerate (29.97 or PAL) is set properly before you import the video file. I also keep the video file on a seperate drive from my samples and my OS. The main thing to keep in mind is that newer compressors like Sorenson will greatly reduce file size, but demand more processing to decompress them. DV is processor friendly, but uses a large datastream. I have found the ancient cinepak compressor to be a good trade off of space/processing. ALso, stay away from algorithms that use predicted frames like MPEG. They are not as responsive in shuttling around the timeline. Upon finishing a que, I goto the beggining measure of my bounce, and read the SMPTE time displayed on the video file. I then incorporate the SMPTE time into the file name, so the editor can't screw up the positioning of the music. Unfortunately, they normally figure out something else to screw up. In summary, I remember what my Econ professor taught us. Should Michael Jordan mow his own lawn? Of course not, his opportunity cost is too high. Most of us are not on the level of Michael, but I think we need to outsource all of the burden we can. For a feature length project with multiple re-edits, the time it takes to fiddle with the deck, capture the program, and then encode it to a usable format can be considerable. Time taken away from actually being productive. The big catch is that your editor may feel his time is more valuable than yours, but I would at least put in the request. -Rob Bowlus

> I created some tracks at a friend's home studio and am trying to >import the wav files into logic to arrange them. When I try loading >them (dragging and dropping them), I get the following message: >"Insufficient access privileges for operation, result code -5000". Go to "Get Info" from your FILE pulldown menu and check to see if your Privledges allow to to "read & write" or just "read". If the file is set to "Read Only" change it to "Read & Write" and everything will work fine. It's an OS X "permissions" thing.

>> is to damn weird, I need to know that kind of video editor :) I >> work with >> 15 video editors and no one knows how to do that and don't give a >> damn about >> it :) > > And we should all be very thankful for that! If these editors ever > learned > to use the audio tools they have, it might be perceived that we are no > longer necessary. But in the 15 years I've been doing audio for > broadcast, > I've yet to see much indication this will ever happen. Strange, I thought this was a low-end problem. (I.e. the guy that just got Premiere or Final Cut and now he be an editor.) I guess it happens at the higher end, too, where people can afford to specialize. In my little world, there are two of us video editors and we both use Logic Pro. The other editor's even a trained musician and audio engineer, so we both try to do audio right. I still have problems when I compose my own (simple) music, getting the mix right for the auditorium it will play in. Some of this may have to do with the environment I mix in as well -- not the best acoustics-wise.

What formats would you expect to get the tapes you want to capture/digitize? If you can insist on only using mini-DV as your exchange medium, most any DV deck should do. Just plug it into your Firewire port and use iMovie or Final Cut Express to capture. (It's already digitized on the tape and FIrewire is just a transfer mechanism.) I've used two methods to get video to/from other formats. 1. The JVC SR-VS30U is a nice dual S/VHS-DV deck that supports SVHS, VHS, and mini-DV in one deck. Some of the button combinations are a little confusing, but you can go via Firewire to/from any of the 3 formats, and you can dub between SVHS/VHS and miniDV. 2. I've also used a two-deck solution and dubbed: VHS (or other format) --> Sony DVCAM deck, then rewind the tape and input to the Mac. This lets you use whatever format you want, plus DV and DVCAM. There are also converters that accept analog (composite or S-video) inputs and digitize to DV, and cards that go in your computer and accept a variety of inputs (some are analog, some digital).

> I have started to put the burden of capture on the editor in order to save > myself hard disk space and time.If the project is edited on Final Cut, I > have the editor render out a small 320 X 240 cinepak movie file which > features a timecode burn (using a Final Cut plugin). I then ask them to > export the program audio seperately as an Aiff of the same length. > > I recieve the files on CD or DVD, Great tips. Thanks Rob. How big is all that? I'm not familiar with cinepak codec. Would a 120 minute project fit onto one DVD? And would any/all Final Cut editors know what I was talking about if I were to give them these specs? Also, in this scenario, how would you output to VHS for demos? -thanks again

hi, i am running a g4 800 and a digidesign 001, and have been having problems with logic platinum 6 on os 10. There is constant driver instability on the hardware end of things. Does anyone know of problems that exist with this setup, and can anyone recomend a better hardware interface with the same or more i/o? thanks dan

On May 31, 2004, at 11:45 AM, dab wrote: > i am running a g4 800 and a digidesign 001, and have been having > problems with logic platinum 6 on os 10. There is constant driver > instability on the hardware end of things. Does anyone know of > problems that exist with this setup, and can anyone recomend a better > hardware interface with the same or more i/o? The digi 001 is a bit of a bugger when it comes to playing with Logic. It's digidesign and their desire to have you only use their app with their hardware. Do not use the midi if you want it to work with Logic. Make sure the digital I/O is not set to light-pipe. Those 2 things should help a bit. A good replacement is the RME stuff, which seems to be the best at this time. Good stable drivers and such. I use 3 cards with Logic: The M Audio FW 410 works pretty good, but has issues with latency. The Tascam FW 1884 works very good as well, and can also be used like a Logic control type tactile surface. The Lynx 2 b sounds the best by a mile, and with the latest drivers, soon to be public, finally works with little or no latency, and plays well with my UAD-1 card. 3 other options than the RME... Either way, I'd ditch the Digi001, and get ANY other device... Good luck, George www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Now both Mac OSX and Windows XP... the only way to fly ;-)

I started this thread a couple days ago. I've got some great information. Thank you all. I forced myself to read this http://www.broadcastpapers.com/audio/audio.htm and the also the results from a few additional web searches on the subject. It's been a humbling experience. VU, RMS, PPM, Upp, DBu, Dbv, DBm, DbFS, Db- SPL, Db-SIL. I understand some of their meanings better than others. I'm not sure I need to understand all of them. And I know nothing of how they relate to my work in Logic. If I hope to deliver broadcast ready product, it seems I need three things: 1)The standards from the client 2)A digital peak meter 3)A meter that measures an average volume (like a VU meter) 4) Something to write a test tone. Logic provides me with peak meters, so that's taken care of. But how do I measure the average volume in the digital realm. Is there a third party piece of software that can do this? I found this: http://www.acumalabs.com/Mackie_d8b_Pro_Audio_Lab.htm . Would something like that work? Except I am using logic with a digi001. Not a mackie. And how do I write a test tone. Can I just make a sine wave with the es1 and level it at -12 dbFS? I'll keep reading. Thanks, Charlie

psp vintage meter is a good vu metering plugin. Probably not as accurate as a dorrough analogue Vu but it gets the job done.

> Specs for Discovery, or HBO, or smaller cable stations, usually > includes a maximum level. Russia ? Haiti ? Bulgaria ? Southpole ? Schwennigen-Jevertshausen ? Where *are* you ? Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Anyone know of a JV-880 environment, or even just a patchlist I can import rather than type it all out...??? AS