>From: Wayne Folta <wfolta@...> >>Yes. In fact it is *so* robust it doesn't even break when it decides to >>smash other, more fragile things, like your preferences for instance , >>to pieces. >It may be that the OS throws out non-critical files to attempt to make >space and in one sense prefs are "non-critical", though they're so >small I can't see them really making a difference, so I still suspect >that it's not VM at all. You're trying to write to a disk that's full. >But that's not the fault of the VM, which is highly reliable and >efficient. (Especially compared to OS 9's "virtual memory".) This type of OS behavior is indefensible, doesn't matter the OS or the platform. User/Program generated files should never be written over. Are you sure there isn't an option hidden away that allows a permanent swap file of a defined size? HW

> > I have a PowerBook G4, 15", 800 MHz, with 512 MB RAM and a 60 GB > > internal hard drive. > > I am running Panther 10.3.2 and Logic 6.3.3. > Powerbook G4 Alu 17" 1.33 GHz > Ram 512 MB > OSX Panther 10.3.2 > Logic Platinum 6.3.3 > no midi interface > built in core audio Well, looks like you've got a nice system, much better than mine, spec-wise.... Don't know what to tell you... I have had NONE of the problems that you mentioned. There are SOOO many factors to all of these issues that people report..... For instance, does one have "cracked" software on their system? How much have they used the Internet with it? What have they downloaded? How many programs do you have in your Applications folder, and what kinds? By who were they made??? What plug-ins do you have running from third-parties? Again, are they "cracked" or REAL, supported versions.....? Do you regularly "repair disk permissions" and "repair the hard drive" with the Disk Utility (booted from the OS X CD-ROM)??? etc. etc. etc.... the list of possible factors goes on and on.... The ONLY problems that I have had with Logic 6.3.3 under Panther 10.3.2 are GRAPHICAL in nature, and some strange "oddities" that pop-up every once in a while, but nothing major, that I can see so far.... Sorry that this was really of no help..... I WOULD like to get some responses on my initial post about usuing an external monitor on the PowerBook G4, and using Logic... etc... Please refer to my original post, (all that might know about this issue and have experience in doing it)!!! Chris M.

On 31.1.2004, at 19:30, Zenon Marko wrote: > > Hello, > > It seems that one has to buy the physical box for this upgrade, then? > I was hoping that one could simply order the XSKey codes, a process > which would presumably be more efficient. Well the box includes at least the CD with Space Designer IR's.... > > Also, does anyone know whether the upgrade will be available in the > Apple Stores, or will one only be able to buy Logic Pro there at the > full price? Well the the suhject says that doesn't it ;-)..or maybe "upgrade" and "update" just get mixed here,,,but yes you can order the 199 dollar update from Apple Store..that is if you happen to live in USA..the rest of the world will have to wait... Cheers Check out the web page for my band updated 6.10.2003 . New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

<quotes repositioned by admin. Please place any quotes above the message you are sending> > It seems that one has to buy the physical box for this upgrade, then? > I was hoping that one could simply order the XSKey codes, a process > which would presumably be more efficient. > > Also, does anyone know whether the upgrade will be available in the > Apple Stores, or will one only be able to buy Logic Pro there at the > full price? I was at the Apple Store in Detroit last week and asked the guys if they would be carrying the Logic Line (Logic Pro Express and Logic Pro 6) and they said that they hadn't been told yet. Given the attention that Apple has been giving this launch and given that it is a mulit- tiered product line (Garageband, Pro Express and Pro 6) it would only make sense that they would have it available in the stores. ML

The logic help refers to it as "the preferences file". Anyone know the name of the logic preference file that contains custom key commands?

On 1/31/04 2:31 PM, "Jorma Pennanen" <jorma.pennanen@...> wrote: >> Also, does anyone know whether the upgrade will be available in the >> Apple Stores, or will one only be able to buy Logic Pro there at the >> full price? > > Well the the suhject says that doesn't it ;-)..or maybe "upgrade" and > "update" just get mixed here,,,but yes you can > order the 199 dollar update from Apple Store..that is if you happen to > live in USA..the rest of the world will have to wait... I think he means the physical apple stores not apple.com. Btw I just ordered the plat/gold 5/6 upgrade to pro 6 and it says expect to ship on 2/24 -andy

"bandsontheroad" <bandsontheroad@y...> wrote: > The logic help refers to it as "the preferences file". Anyone know > the name of the logic preference file that contains custom key commands? It's this one: info.emagic.Logic.plist (Always drag the current one out onto your Desktop (or somewhere) just in case you need it back for some reason, or just rename it in its place with "info.emagic.Logic.plist.bak" or something) Chris M.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Chris M." <thinkdeep@m...> wrote: > I WOULD like to get some responses on my initial post about usuing an external monitor on the PowerBook G4, and using Logic... Works OK here, Ti 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, OS X 10.3.1, Logic 6.3.2. Redraw on the second screen (19" at 1280x960) is a little slower than on the LCD. Using the external screen consumes more power at the video card, so the fan is on more often. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Jaensch <georg.faustus@g...> wrote: > Just to be sure, I got it right: As the 01V actually is a MIDI > device, the automation exampled would be adequate, if he wanted to > automate the 01V. Yes, if you wanted to automate the 01V from the 01V (or from another controller), which seems a little pointless. Or perhaps if you wanted a custom environment with faders matching the 01V's to be recorded to track automation. To simply draw in track automation for CCs and send it to the 01V you wouldn't need the example anyway. > As he wants to use the 01V as an input device to control the > internal mixer (and have automation feedback over 01V) this example > isn't what he needs. (?) Correct. The example isn't for controlling the internal audio mixer (it's for midi tracks); doesn't do anything about converting control moves or automation (Fader events) on the internal audio mixer to CCs and sending them back to outboard gear; or about managing different "banks" or "presets" of control mappings, extracting current values and providing feedback to the appropriate 01V faders when you switch those - volume vs pan, or tracks 1-24 vs tracks 25-48, etc. It's a way trickier problem than it first sounds, especially if you want it to work with track automation. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

Hello, Any advice on the most efficient methods to convert DP projects to Logic projects? It seems to require at the very least two far-from-seamless steps: 1. Conversion of the MIDI data as a Standard MIDI File 2. Conversion of the audio data as an OMF File Thank you for any advice. Best, 3

Hello, > > > Also, does anyone know whether the upgrade will be available in the >> Apple Stores, or will one only be able to buy Logic Pro there at the >> full price? > >Well the the suhject says that doesn't it ;-)..or maybe "upgrade" and >"update" just get mixed here,,,but yes you can >order the 199 dollar update from Apple Store..that is if you happen to >live in USA..the rest of the world will have to wait... Sorry to have been unclear. I was actually asking whether the update would be available in the "real-world" Apple Stores like the SoHo store here in New York. I'm just trying to estimate the fastest way to get one's hands on a copy, whether to order on-line and have it shipped at an unknown time or wait until the local Apple Store stocks the upgrade. Best, 3

now all we need to know is what the 'competitive upgrade' is going to cost so I we can dump DP and move on over :>)

> >Given the attention that Apple has been giving this launch and given >that it is a mulit- >tiered product line (Garageband, Pro Express and Pro 6) it would >only make sense that >they would have it available in the stores. > >ML > I would expect that Apple will sell the full version there, but not sure about the upgrade for existing XSKey owners. I just called Apple and asked, and the sales rep there didn't know. 3

"John Pitcairn" <johnp@r...> wrote: > Works OK here, Ti 1Ghz, 1GB RAM, OS X 10.3.1, Logic 6.3.2. > > Redraw on the second screen (19" at 1280x960) is a little slower than > on the LCD. Using the external screen consumes more power at the video > card, so the fan is on more often. Thanks John! So, you think that running Logic 6 with an external 17" Apple monitor (or something similar) coming from a PowerBook G4, 800 Mhz, 512 MB RAM is feasible, i.e. realistic and stable??? If I only have to be concerned with slightly slower redraws ON THE SECOND SCREEN, and the fan coming on more often, that really doesn't bother me, honestly... As long as I get some more screen space!!!! Your final thoughts? (And anyone else...???) Thanks again John! Chris M.

Dave Gross <dkgross@...> wrote: >now all we need to know is what the 'competitive upgrade' is going to cost so >I we can dump DP and move on over :>) I'm a DP user too. According to my Sweetwater rep, there will be no competitive upgrade to Logic Pro. I plan on purchasing, but I'm waiting to see if this is true. Anyone else think this is bogus? Steve.

> Hello, > > Any advice on the most efficient methods to convert DP projects to > Logic projects? > It seems to require at the very least two far-from-seamless steps: > > 1. Conversion of the MIDI data as a Standard MIDI File > 2. Conversion of the audio data as an OMF File > I have heard that you need to make sure your DP projects have the audio files saved as SDII in order for them to correctly line up in logic..

> I'm a DP user too. According to my Sweetwater rep, there will > be no competitive upgrade to Logic Pro. I plan on purchasing, > but I'm waiting to see if this is true. Anyone else think > this is bogus? > I don't know whether its bogus or not. But you might consider making the competitive upgrade right now. You can go to your local music software dealer that sells emagic products..and they do it there. It cost me about US$400 to do a competitive uprade to Logic. Then it will cost me another $199 to upgrade to Pro. So you're looking at $600-$650 range to make the switch from DP to Logic Pro.... Its not a cheap switch... But that is probably the wave of the future and its still less than buying it outright for $999. -steve

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Chris M." <thinkdeep@m...> wrote: > So, you think that running Logic 6 with an external 17" Apple monitor > (or something similar) coming from a PowerBook G4, 800 Mhz, 512 MB RAM > is feasible, i.e. realistic and stable??? Sure. I've been running a second monitor on various powerbooks since 1998. My current setup has been in daily use for graphic design since 2001, with a PBG4/500 then PBG4/1GHz and Panasonic 19" CRT monitor. Works fine in OS 9 and OS X. I've been hot-plugging the external monitor with no issues - OS X reconfigures on the fly. The Apple LCD monitors require an optional DVI-to-ADC converter to hook up. Unless you specifically want an Apple monitor, I'd go for a generic LCD with a VGA or DVI (better) input. If you're using OS X, get more RAM. Not for the dual screens, just because OS X really likes RAM. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

On Jan 31, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Orren Merton wrote: > > True, some rumors are leaks which turn out to be close to reality. But > the vast majority of them are wishful thinking, false statements by > people with agendas, or just folks who pass along something they think > they hear that may have no basis in reality. Please folks, try not > take rumors so seriously, and act as if serious decisions > can/will/should be made on the basis of untrue details. > > Orrren > Orren, Not to hijack your thread, but I've been enjoying your latest book very much. A friend of mine - a recent convert to Logic from SX - wants to get a copy, but get this - HE DOESN'T HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!! So he's trying to find it at a local Canadian bookseller, like Indigo perhaps. Rob Yale Yale Music Composition and Production

> I would expect that Apple will sell the full version there, but not > sure about the upgrade for existing XSKey owners. I just called Apple > and asked, and the sales rep there didn't know. Every word I've heard about the Logic Pro update has said March would be the soonest it would be available. Is this Logic Pro Upgrade available now at the Apple stores? Can we get a definitive yes?

Hi, ELFA has the Logic pro Upgrade (Gold 6->Platinum plus plugins) advertised for AUD525, which is in all honesty a great deal considering that my previous upgrades all cost about the same. Imagine my surprise when I contacted my local music shop (well the one I use), to find hat will sell me the package for AUD475, which really makes my day. Thanks to anyone commenting about Edirol MIDI interfaces - I still do not have concrete information about the quality of the 8x8 interfaces and their usage with Logic and Sounddiver however. I have a need for 2 8x8 multiport MIDI interfaces that do extensive routing and filtering of MIDI data. I want to do all the data thinning at the interface since Logic has no clock filter and the MID filtering is hopeless in software for my hardware purposes. I also want to be assured that Sounddiver will work - my current interfaces do not work properly with SD at all (I know it is another forum, but MIDI is MIDI). Someone *please* recommend to me a multiport 8x8 interface that is: Multiport cheap works with SD & Logic 100% cheap has routing and filtering cheap The Edirol UM-880 seems to have the lot covered, but I cannot find one person who is actually using one in anger with Logic & SD. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Systems Admin, University of Western Sydney V1-37, Kingswood Campus (+61 2) 47 360 291 <r.polanskis@...> "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Schow" <steve@b...> wrote: It cost me about > US$400 to do a competitive uprade to Logic. Then it will cost me another > $199 to upgrade to Pro. So you're looking at $600-$650 range to make the > switch from DP to Logic Pro.... > > Its not a cheap switch... But that is probably the wave of the future and > its still less than buying it outright for $999. > > -steve good point...I wonder if the retailers are going to sell Logic Pro for less than $999 list tho.. :)

<quoting fixed by admin> --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Schow" <steve@b...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Any advice on the most efficient methods to convert DP projects to > > Logic projects? Steve, I'm transfering my DP Projects to Logic Platinum 6.3.3 succesfully. Here's my steps below: First make a copy of the desired song with its audio copied also. 1. Save DP song as a Standard Midi File Format 1 2. Select all audio tracks, go to the "Windows" menu and select "Soundbites" 3. Go to the Soundbites submenu and "Select Unused Soundbites" 4. Hold down the "Option" key and from the Soundbites menu, select "Delete" to delete "Unused Soundbites" 5. Go to the "Audio" menu and select "Timestamps > "User Selected Timestamps" 6. Last step is File>Save As> OMF Exchange (and here select your desired file prefereneces 7. Open Logic>Open your DP standard midi file> it will ask you to "import the SMPTE" info>choose yes>Import OMF file All of your midi and audio will be lined up as it was in DP. Randy

> Correct. The example isn't for controlling the internal audio mixer > (it's for midi tracks); doesn't do anything about converting control > moves or automation (Fader events) on the internal audio mixer to CCs > and sending them back to outboard gear; or about managing different > "banks" or "presets" of control mappings, extracting current values > and providing feedback to the appropriate 01V faders when you switch > those - volume vs pan, or tracks 1-24 vs tracks 25-48, etc. It's a way > trickier problem than it first sounds, especially if you want it to > work with track automation. > > John Pitcairn John - forgive me for being naive, are the programs you suggested capable of letting me use the 01V to control the audio mixer in Logic? And if so, am I right in saying that they WONT give feedback to the desk, but DO have soft takeover? Thanks Gareth

> It cost me about > > US$400 to do a competitive uprade to Logic. Then it will > cost me another > > $199 to upgrade to Pro. So you're looking at $600-$650 > range to make the > > switch from DP to Logic Pro.... > > > > Its not a cheap switch... But that is probably the wave of > the future and > > its still less than buying it outright for $999. > > > > -steve > > good point...I wonder if the retailers are going to sell > Logic Pro for less than $999 list > tho.. :) > > Ok, for sake of fairness....Competetive upgrade retails for $499. So $698 is retail price to cross grade to Logic Pro if you do what I did. However, my retailer took $50 off the crossgrade price without any effort at all( I didn't even have to ask for it..he just did)..I suppose I could have shopped around and got for even less with a a little more effort. I've heard of others paying less. Undoubtedly...to buy the full product it would be the same...might be able to take up to 10% off the retail price somewhere. That being said...the street price is probably either $600-$650 to crossgrade/upgrade in two steps...or maybe about $900 to buy it full later. Or perhaps Apple will come through with a cross grade price...but I can't imagine it being much less than $650. More than likely, I'd bet it would retail for $699, if at all, and you'd get it for $650 on the street. That's -IF- they even offer it. The main point is this.. If you wait..you might not even have the option to crossgrade. But what it would cost now to do what I did...is about what it would probably be if they were to offer a crossgrade later...so if you're ready to plunge..I'd say you're better off doing what I did...get the crossgrade ASAP...and then upgrade to Pro as soon as you're ready in a few months.