Hi there, This is a question for those knowledgeable sound engineer people amongst you: I'm experimenting with feedbacks right now (recording the feedback I'm getting when routing output 1-2 through my mixer and back into the 2408). Of course I have the speakers off for that purpose as I don't like my ears to get damaged. Now, the file that I get obviously has clippings. If I'm not mistaken then the speaker moves back and forth to produce sound, but what happens to these continuos samples that just stay the same value. Does that hurt the speaker? Cheers Hans

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Chapman <dan@c...> wrote: > on 7/27/03 9:12 AM, Dan Chapman at dan@c... wrote: > > > > > Do you have to upgrade to 6.0 first, then upgrade to 6.1, or can you upgrade > > directly from 5.5 to 6.1? > > > > DC > > > Please You can upgrade from any Logic to any other Logic as long as you have the EXKey. Each version of the application as far back as I can remember was a separate file, and installers simply added a new application file to the folder rather than altering code within the app. Sonny Keyes SKa Music Toronto

Now my concept of soloing (and correct me if I'm > wrong!) is, that only (and I mean _only_) the soloed channel is > audible. > > I've had trouble with soloing tracks and still hearing non-soloed > tracks before, and those were confirmed as being bugs that are not > yet traceable (...), but I think, if I remember correctly, that the > setup was different than with the bus-pre-and-post-fader-setup. > > Thanks and Cheers > Hans > Hi Hans, as far as my experience goes, in the real world we used to have (to my knowledge) two types of solo: just plain bold solo and solo-in-place, which was kind of a luxury. The first one bypasses all sends and eq's on the desk and gives back just that single solo'ed signal. The second one, and afaik Logic works like that, gives back the solo'ed signal with the sends still open, the eq's on. This means that any signal being routed pre-fader to a bus will still do so, so you'll hear some delay or reverb or anything inserted on that specific bus coming back. As far as I can tell, no bug. Goodluck, O.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Eric Seaberg <eseaberg@s...> wrote: > We're in the process of building a large multi-room facility for > post-production and mastering of our syndicated radio and TV programs. > We're currently using Sonic Solutions with our current version no longer > being supported. The next best thing, as far as we're concerned, has been > SADiE's new Series 5 DAW and we've got budgeted 4-systems at almost $40k > each. This is a bit late in coming, but in case anyone else out there in mailinglist land is interested in a Logic demo... I just picked up a copy of Apple's "Logic 6, Professional Music Creation and Audio Production" It's part of the Apple Pro Training Series by Peachpit Press. I haven't read any of the book yet, but on the cover it states: "CD-ROM included, Logic Platinum 6 license included (30-day version)" If thirty days are enough for you to evaluate it, spending $44.99 on the book is a darn sight better than $799.00 for a program you might not use. You won't get the (crapy) Logic manual, but you will get a book designed to make you "certifiable" in Logic. And I assume the online help will still be there, and it was always better than the manual anyway. Anyways, thought you (all) would like to know. Cheers, -Josh Emmons

[Note from admin: as with all [OT] messages, please send your replies privately or to Logic-OT@yahoogroups.com, thanks!] Hi List, Just installed OSX last night and this morning Im having a problem with iTuenes. The "open-apple E" command to eject the disk wont work. I've also discovered that pushing the "eject" button on the main iTunes window does not work also. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond off the list. Thanks, Ken

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, tony vincent <aps@t...> wrote: > what kinds of > connections are necessary to connect an external flat-screen with > this machine Standard VGA connector. > also, what happens when you use an external > monitor with a TiBook?-- do you close the screen (lid) and the > computer works just the same as if you had the lid open and running?-- > or does the screen go black when an external monitor gets plugged in? You can close the lid and use only the external screen, or you can mirror the powerbook screen onto the external, or you can use both screens independently for a seriously larger working space. The Ti500 only has an 8MB video card, so if you do use both screens, resolutions over 1152x870 on the external screen must be in thousands of colours, not millions. John Pitcairn

> ME TOO! Same thing occurs............looks like twice is > the magic number. > > M-De yes that happens here as well - it does save though sam

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, YAVUZ AKYAZICI <yavuz1@m...> wrote: > I think it is simple but i might be wrong. > I think you are using Direct I/O in OS9 and Core Audio drivers in OSX. > Just go to audio config page and copy paste to Core Audio. Yeah, when I've had slashed-out plugs, selecting core audio from the drivers window has corrected the problem. Peece, Dexter

>> If you really want wishful thinking... >> A firmware update similar to the v2 Mackie firmware - this allows the > LC/MC to boot in either HUI, LC or MC modes. And now for some really really wishful thinking; (sorry to waite your bandwith) UAD plugs will make it into logic natively, hence no latency-probs... Hmm, no chance I guess, since it's only the Audio Control Surface Technologies merging. Hey, I warned you it was far-fetched! cheers

Hi guys, I've very definitely noticed some dodgy behaviour with the automation system tonight, which has caused me a few headaches. For instance, I have the track automation settings to always move automation with objects. In my current song, on *some* tracks, I drag an object and the automation data goes with it fine. On some other tracks within the same song, I can drag an object and the automation doesn't move at all, which definitely shouldn't happen. On investigating this, I discovered one gotcha you may have to look out for :- when moving/dragging an object, only the automation data *within* the object boundaries will move with the object - this is relatively obvious if you think about it, but one major good thing with the TBA is that you can ramp up the volume (or whatever) before and after an object without having to extend the object or create dummy objects before and after like you had to with the object-based automation in previous Logic versions. So if you're not careful and have these ramps outside the object boundaries, moving an object *will* mess up your automation data. (Using insert time and move by locators will move everything, so the automation data will be handled correctly in this case.) And worse of all, on some tracks, I move an object and the automation data moves, BUT MOVES TO THE WRONG PLACE. This happens every time I select all objects and move them say 4 bars - the sequence/audio objects move four bars, but the automation moves about 6 bars!! I couldn't understand why inserting a few empty bars and moving stuff was starting to mess up my automation data. Be warned if you ever get strange automation anomalies, and check that the automation data is being handled correctly. Well the multi-undo comes in handy, anyway!! LAWP 5.5.1 / XP / AMT8 / AW2 / P4 2.4 / 512meg Ben Hall www.benhall.co.uk

> From: "Danny .S." <dj@...> >Hi, > >Ive just been playing with partitioning, cluster size (and the nightmare of >trying to clone a working copy of WinXP...at this point i still haven't >succesfully!) I read in Sound-On-Sound about Red Submarines computer having >a 4k cluster size for the System disk and a 32k cluster size for the audio >drive? Should I convert my 180gig audio drive to 32k cluster size? Will it >perform better, will it damage the data if i try to convert it over? > >Should I also convert my system disk to 4k, are these optimum settings for >each drive? What difference does the cluster size make? > >thanks >- Danny Large cluster sizes are more efficient when using long contiguous files, such as audio files, less work for the audio drive. Small cluster sizes make better use of disk space when using smaller files, such as your system drive, Windows OS....etc. I use 8K cluster size on the system drive and 32K clusters on the audio drives. I would be careful trying to change cluster size on a drive with data. Format commands for a D; drive at 32K Format D: /Z:64 If no Z command is used format always uses 4K clusters. I think your WinXP cloning problem is "drive geometry" related. See here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20577728.html Run a search in Google using WinXP Ghost Boot Problem Maybe include the .dll you listed earlier. Might want to take this off list. howard

Hi ! > >no apparent reason. This has happened various times. Keycommands that worked > >suddenly are ineffective. Later, they come back again. Maybe there > >is some mode involved? > > > I was thinking that this had happened when I was working on a 6.0.0 > system in OS X on my friend's iMac G4. Then they came back and I > didn't give it another thought. > > I checked the window focus, Caps lock and all that. really strange... May be it is/was another keyboard language selected ? I have 2 languages installed as I am not native-english.. Ray.

I'm new to both the Mac Platform and Logic 6 and I'm confused about a few things. I have a powerbook "17 G4. When I just click on a midi file in the finder, it plays and I hear everything - drums, strings, piano etc When I open the same midi file inside Logic, I can't seem to find a way to use the same driver that the quicktime midi player uses. Is there a way to connect to it from Logic. BTW, there are no external midi devices connected. That's why I want to use the internal midi stuff Thanks Naim

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, wrote, in part: > ... I'm still having way too many crashes, though (big problem!). FWIW, my current WinXP system seemed to be rock-solid until I installed Control, and then it became crashy. It was even crashy when the Control wasn't physically plugged in. I deleted Control's icon from that "control surfaces" window, and now its stable again. So I figure that (on WinXP), the MIDI-stream-sharing stuff that lets Control read and write to midi buffers shared with the main app might be buggy. Some of my crashes seemed to be related to GUI activity that probably generates MIDI or automation info. The crashes "felt" kinda similar to the sort of crashes that I used to get under XP with SoundDiver, which was again, probably to do with logic's own special system for sharing MIDI buffers (my copy of SoundDiver is now not allowed anywhere near my PC!). With SoundDiver, I think you were supposed to be able to alleviate the problem somewhat by increasing the size of the Windows MIDI buffers, but I don't know how you do that for just Control. > And way too many hanging notes > which require me to turn my (Roland) keyboard off. <perks> Which Roland keyboard is it? I know with the battery-powered Roland PC-series, the things have a habit of starting to send corrupted MIDI data when the battery runs low, some time /before/ the unit's battery warning indicator starts flashing. And that corrupted data can crash Logic ... Maybe Logic's MIDI handling is optimised more for speed than for crash-proofedness? ... dunno if there's any magical way to boost stability at the expense of some reaction time. [Erk]

> That would be great. Also, could it be possible for your key commands and > autoload set-up to be stored in the XS Key. > Why can't there be an option where screensets are universal. Its a hassle every time I change a screenset, first to transfer it to the autoload file, then when to every other song. When I open an older song, the first thing I do is import the screensets. Isn't it much more logical to have a way of working on all your music, rather than individual screensets for each and every song?

> If thirty days are enough for you to evaluate it, spending $44.99 on the > book is a darn > sight better than $799.00 for a program you might not use.  You won't get > the (crapy) > Logic manual, but you will get a book designed to make you "certifiable" in > Logic.  > And I assume the online help will still be there, and it was always better > than the > manual anyway. > Since Emagic rarely seems to make Logic easy to use, nor to share the documentation easily (I have manuals for v2 and v4 and little update brochures - and I did a search for CATCH in the infoweb last night and got nothing useful - what the heck does that word mean anyway?), its part of the strategy - you buy it for big bucks and are stuck with it so you have no choice but to spend the agonizing months coming up to speed. So demos are not in their interest - they might scare buyers away.

On 7/30/03 12:29 PM, "Hans Hafner" <hanshafner@...> wrote: > I'm experimenting with feedbacks right now (recording the feedback > I'm getting when routing output 1-2 through my mixer and back into > the 2408). Of course I have the speakers off for that purpose as I > don't like my ears to get damaged. > > Now, the file that I get obviously has clippings. If I'm not mistaken > then the speaker moves back and forth to produce sound, but what > happens to these continuos samples that just stay the same value. > Does that hurt the speaker? Good question. The answer is yes and no. Since clipping is essentially sending the speaker a square wave which is forcing the cone to go to extremes in very short periods, a case could be made for this damaging the speaker. The key to keeping things under control is to make sure you're monitoring at relatively low volumes that your amp and speakers will be able to handle. Keep volumes low and you should be allright.

> drive? Should I convert my 180gig audio drive to 32k cluster size? Will it > perform better, will it damage the data if i try to convert it over? > For large files like audio files, bigger cluster sizes mean less disk i/o, and faster performance. If you are using a lot of small samples a smaller cluster size means more efficient disk usage in terms of storage space. All of the optimization tips i've read about XP reccommend a cluster size of 64k for large audio files. As far as conversion goes, you should move the data to another drive temporarily or back it up to cd or whatever before you try to convert the cluster size. I'm fairly certain the only way to change the cluster size is to reformat which would destroy all your data. I could be wrong about the conversion being destructive, but i would back up everything you wanted to keep either way. Thanks Bigg John Free Loops @ www.looplibrary.com

I'm on Logic Gold 5.5, OS9.2. I used to be able to name tracks and have the names show in the track mixer. What do I need to set for the track mixer to show the names I assign the arrange tracks? Peace.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Gill <adrian@z...> wrote: > Any GuitarPort users here tried out the new > v2.0 drivers (ASIO) with Logic? > Haven't tried GuitarPort ... I've briefly tried the Line6 PodXT v2 ASIO audio drivers with logic, and those /seemed/ to work pretty well (after doing all the other PodXT updates). [Erk]

>As far as conversion goes, you should move the data to another drive >temporarily or back it up to cd or whatever before you try to convert the >cluster size. I'm fairly certain the only way to change the cluster size is >to reformat which would destroy all your data. I could be wrong about the >conversion being destructive, but i would back up everything you wanted to >keep either way. Actually, Partition Magic can resize the clusters without reformatting or removing the data---but I still second the recommendation to move the data off first both for safety and speed reasons. PM makes changes much faster on clean partitions.

> Subject: [LUG] [LAM] I name my audio tracks and the names aren't shown in > thetrack mixer Hi Roman In the view menu for the TM, there are options for view track name, instrument name, number, etc... best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production www.doghouseNYC.com The Doghouse NYC www.pianoVOX.com

Hello, all. Below is the interesting post that I copied from mackie forum. //////////////////////////////////////////// Beginning sometime in August, the Mackie Controller upgrades will allow all Mackie Control (main unit or XT) or Logic Control (main unit or XT) Hardware to use either the Mackie Control Protocol or the Logic Control Protocol. The user will be able to switch back and forth between modes by holding a key combination (select buttons on channels 1 and 2) at boot up. This will essentially make them function as identical units and both will be able to be used with a DAW supporting either the Mackie Control Protocol (Nuendo, Cubase SX, Sonar, DP, Cool Edit, etc.) or Logic Control Protocol (Logic). The only remaining difference will be in the silk screening on the front and back panels of the units and the different color of the plastic used in the armrest and bezel. Upgrades will be available for all existing Mackie Controls (main units and XTs) and Logic Controls (main units and XTs). To upgrade a unit, the user holds down the Record buttons on channels 1 and 2 and the select button on channel 1 while turning on their unit. A message will appear on the screen stating that the control surface is waiting for a midi upgrade. The user will then playback the appropriate midi file into their unit to perform the upgrade. If the user plays back the wrong upgrade file, the upgrade will not occur. Here are some further details about the different upgrade paths: Existing version 1.x Mackie Controls and XTs will be upgradeable via midi to version 1.02 and will support both the Mackie Control and the Logic Control Protocols. This will be a free downloadable upgrade. Existing version 1.x Logic Controls and XTs will be upgradeable via midi to version 1.02 and will support both Mackie Control and Logic Control Protocols. This will be a free downloadable upgrade. Existing version 2.x Mackie Controls and XTs will be upgradeable via midi to version 2.1.0 and will support Mackie Control, Logic Control, and HUI Protocols. This will be a free downloadable upgrade. Existing version 1.x Mackie Controls (main units and XTs) and Logic Controls (main units and XTs) can be upgraded to the version 2.1.0 processor which will add HUI support (giving the user all three control surfaces in one) by purchasing an upgrade processor from Mackie for $99 + shipping. Please note: if you purchased a Mackie Control on or after March 1, 2003 you are eligible for a FREE upgrade kit. Go to the following link to see if you need to upgrade your unit: http://www.mackie.com/support/hottopics/index.html#mc_need_upgrade All new units will continue to ship from Mackie with the version 2.x processor but they will now be loaded with the version 2.1.0 operating system and will support Mackie Control, Logic Control, and HUI Protocols. The new units will also have new silk screening for Mackie Control Universal with the Logic Control shortcuts. New Mackie Control and Logic Control overlays will be available soon. Mackie Parts Department will accept your order when the overlays become available. They will be $10 per overlay plus a $10 shipping and handling fee per order. Please call 1-800-258-6883 (1-425-487- 4337) and ask for the parts department to order overlays. Ben

Before posting, I went to the 'old' Logic Test Site to look at processors performance ect. It has not been updated for quite a while so hence my questions. 1. What is the best motherboard/P4 and dram setup these days. The old site goes up to the Northwood 2.53 P4. I assume that now that windows Logic has ceased, the P4 optimisation would only be written for the technology that was around at the time Logic 5.5 was developed for windows. 2. I have been looking at a Creamware A16 converter interface plus a Creamware Pulsar or Power Pulsar. I note that most on this site use either Hammerfall or Motu soundcards/interfaces. This mat be because most use a Mac? Does anyone use the creamware products and if so any favorable/unfavorable comments.... or others ..why your sound card is so good ect? I don't have a budget to consider, so I'm trying to get the best I can ? Thanks Greg

I am very happy with the motu equiptment as far as hardware I use a 2408 mkIII on both the pc setup and the mac, both work killer. Rilen13