Hi all, I ran into a strange problem yesterday. I have an Audiowerk 8 and route my 8 analog outs to my mixer (where I apply EQ, comp and fx) Now, instead of mixing down to my DCC as I usually do, I connected the spdif out of my mixer (VM7200) to the spdif in of the Audiowerk. I then went in the Audio hardware panel in Logic and change the Audiowerk settings with 'Digital In' instead of Analog. I then created a new stereo audio track in my song and tried to record so that I would get my mixdown on that track. The problem is that i got a sync error message and also the track was playing my audio at half the speed!!! I am sure there are some settings I'm missing here and some advice would be welcome. The sample rate in Logic is 44khz and same on my mixer. Otherwise, is there another way to achieve the same result? Setup: OS9.1, G4, Logic Gold 5.5, Audiowerk 8, roland Vm7200 console. Thanks Laurent

I'd like to thank you all for contributing this issue. After trying this with different ways I've decided to use my way (multiple audio objects with spesific midi channel). This is because I've found it to be the easiest way for me to work. On Eli's way I can get it to work if I edit the midi channel in Event list since all the exported midi slices on me are on Channel 1. I don't know what kind of a factor in my tests have been the fact that I used Logic's save and load setting with Phatmatik pro. Once again I'd like to thank you all for helping me to sort this thing out and here'e waiting for the multi audio objects in Logic ;-) Happy New Year -- Check out the web page for my band updated 11.11.2002 . New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

From: <geoffkaiser@...> > I've noticed that if I get the upgrade I've got to give up my USB > dongle and CD in exchange for the new ones... this obviously > means I can't ever use 4.x again if I want or need to....? Of course you can copy the LA 4 application CD (send the original back to emagic), and there´s a driver that allows you to use Logic 4 with the XSKey. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

Hey---pity its Windows only Paul : (

Hi Jason, > I have my JV 1010 set up and I have all of the channels running . I can hear > all the sounds and access them. But when I record a track using one sound > and then try to switch to another track to record a new sound, the sound that I > just recorded becomes the sound that I am trying to record next. I cannot get > one sound to remain while accessing another to record a new track. > It sounds like you are in patch mode; where you can only access/trigger one sound at a time. You need to go into performance mode and set up a multitimbral "performance" where the unit is set to receive on a unique midi channel in each of the performance's "slots". Check your JV 1010 documentation on how to set this up. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Hi Erick, > I plan on using logic to record bands and singers. I am confused > in how , when I am recording just vocals, what BPM do I set logic > to? > > Also, when I am recording a drumer, do I have to set the BPM to > a certain BPM? Like if I have the BPM at 250, but yet I am > recording a drummer and he plays at say, 90 BPM, will this > mess it up? > It is best if you can get the band to record in tempo with Logic. The drummer would need to play to a click generated by Logic. Alternatively, you could just ignore the tempo aspect of Logic and have them record "wild" (ie: not synced in any way toi Logic's tempo). In this case it wouldn't matter what bpm you have Logic set to. You would be severley crippling you're ability to do any sort of meanigful editing though in Logic afterwards. You would basically be using it like a big multitrack tape deck. The bar grid in Logic would be irrelevant afterwards for any sort of time based or position based edits. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

From: Lorenzo Lollis [mailto:renseven@...] > Hello all, > I have been using a MTP AV w/usb, and the Studio 5LX for > many years > now. I'm looking for some help deciding on changing my S 5LX. > Obviously > this interface is great due to the number of ports it offers. Would > anyone know of another Lg. scale interface that offers an equal number > of ports? Yes, the Studio 5LX is great, not just for the number of ports, but because it is much more than an interface - it's a MIDI processor, and a standalone MIDI patchbay on it's own. Unfortunately, nobody came out with something that matches all of it, so, there isn't exactly a replacement. As for the number of ports, I replace mine with two AMT8 (just because sync isn't on my needs). If you need sync, you can chain two Unitor 8. If ports is what matters to you, go for the new MIDI interface from Digidesign. Each unit allows 10 ports.

Geof wrote: >I've noticed that if I get the upgrade I've got to give up my USB >dongle and CD in exchange for the new ones... this obviously >means I can't ever use 4.x again if I want or need to....? With Mac you can. There is a small Extension Logic 4 XsKey driver which allow you to use 4.X logic should you need so. Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band updated 11.11.2002 . New home address : http://koti.welho.com/jpennane

Hi Teddy, > ya but if you use the select all button you can change all the slice's outs > at once, > Cool. I didn't know this. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

> > Adlimiter is a mastering tool only meant for use on main outputs. You > > will get a delay if you try to use it in a track. > > Bogusdogus > I know what it is for. > I use it on the main outs. > Try it for your self and see the delay. > > This should be fixed. There is nothing to be fixed. The delay is a 'look-ahead' delay and is part of the spec of this mastering tool. It is not meant for live use, just on a finished audio recording of a final mixdown. If you do not want a delay use a normal limiter plug instead. Hector.

> The input objects don'thave an input popup. They're assigned to a > specific input by setting their "Cha" parameter. As for the Aux > objects: they _do_ have an input popup, but maybe not in Silver -- I > don't know, but don't recall the Auxes being limited this way. > > Input Objects can _never_ have a Bus as input, but only a soundcard > input. Auxes can have an input, a bus, or a VSTi output (in > multi-mode) as input. So "using the inputs as Bus inputs" is not in > any version. So the Inputs aren't useless: just set the proper Cha > parameter. And the Auxes: I suppose you _can_ pick Trakcs and Busses > as input for them, so they're not uselesss either. please excust my inexactitude, i was abbreviating my description so my post didnt get over-long. Yes i know the input objects dont have an Input Popup, the above post applies to when i merely select the Input number under the Cha menu. The input popup was intended when referring to aux. In fact i get absolutely NOTHING on my input object when using either a pre-existing object assigned to an input or creating a new object and assigning it to the Input. i get just a blank channel strip except for the area where you can choose the automation type (touch, latch, read etc) weird. when i was saying "could accept a Bus input" i was referring again to the Aux's and the input popup which has, in fact no items at all in its list even tho i have at least 10 available inputs. so they are both, as i said, completely useless to me as it is. no matter what ive tried i cant get any signal into them. i found a copy of platinum 4.7 online that i downloaded to try and this feature worked fine in that version. so im assuming its no my hardware. unfortunately the version of 5 silver i actually own doesnt work. . . :( emagic support is on vactaion till jan 2, so ill post what they tell me then k

As others allready said, if the music (and the drummer's timing, erm...) allows, I would record with a click. It's just way easier to punch in later on, do edits and what not if you can navigate by bars. Of course there's some music that would be somewhat destroyed when being recorded at one straight tempo. In that case you should just record away at whatever tempo you like. In case you want to line things up later on, so they fit a bar/beat structure, you can use Logic's reclocking feature which will sync Logic to the music rather than vice versa (i.e. in a "clicked" recording). And while that one seriously isn't implemented in a way making you shout "hurray" it does work though. Regards, Sascha

Greetings, This message is intended for anyone who might be developing a VST-to-AU-Wrapper that would work in Logic under OSX: HURRY UP ALREADY; It's getting really ugly out there.... Happy New Year, -Mark

Thoughts from the mind of Sascha Franck, 31-12-2002: >Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: >> But you could achieve the same with 2 editor windows open, I guess. >> Copy/paste the zones & groups from one (instr without settings) to >> the other (instr with settings), and then "save as" the 2nd >> instrument using the name of (and thus overwriting) the 1st >> instrument. Personally I think that would be easiest -- unless I >> miss something. > >Maybe... but I sometimes prefer to just apply existing settings to existing >"GUI-less" instruments. Yes, that's what I'm talking about as well. If I wanted to transfer GUI settings from inst 1 to inst 2, I would proceed as follows (but maybe your way is easier -- haven't tried it myself yet): Load inst1 in EXS, open editor, load inst2 in EXS, open another editor, copy all from inst 1, select all from inst 2 and delete, paste the inst1 stuff in inst2, save inst2 under a new name. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Thoughts from the mind of fauxstout <stout@...>, 31-12-2002: > > The input objects don'thave an input popup. They're assigned to a >> specific input by setting their "Cha" parameter. As for the Aux >> objects: they _do_ have an input popup, but maybe not in Silver -- I >> don't know, but don't recall the Auxes being limited this way. >> >> Input Objects can _never_ have a Bus as input, but only a soundcard >> input. Auxes can have an input, a bus, or a VSTi output (in >> multi-mode) as input. So "using the inputs as Bus inputs" is not in >> any version. So the Inputs aren't useless: just set the proper Cha >> parameter. And the Auxes: I suppose you _can_ pick Trakcs and Busses >> as input for them, so they're not uselesss either. > >please excust my inexactitude, i was abbreviating my description so my post >didnt get over-long. Never a good idea when talking about this potentially confusing stuff :). The terminology of Logic is rather horrible, and thus always requires some attention imo. Tracks can be Arrange tracks, or the "Track x" which you can assign to an Audio Object's Cha parameter. Input can be either a soundcard input or an input you can pick from e.g. the Aux's Input popup, or the Cha parameter of an Input object, or the Input object itself. Etc, etc... Mighty confusing indeed... [...] >so they are both, as i said, completely useless to me as it is. no matter what >ive tried i cant get any signal into them. i found a copy of >platinum 4.7 online that i downloaded to try and this feature worked >fine in that version. so im assuming its no my hardware. >unfortunately the version of 5 silver i actually own doesnt work. . >. :( This is really weird... Are there any other Silver 5.5 users that also have this problem? >emagic support is on vactaion till jan 2, so ill post what they tell me then Please do so, as I'd be curious to know if this is "just" a problem with your config, or a Silver-5 limitation. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

> > nder way but it is being held up while one or two issues are > > resolved (my guess: the now legendary GUI issue). > > Is this _really_ the case with OS-X in general, that the people doing > AU plugs (including Emagic as we know) have no graphics to work with??? > After a year or two of OS-X (and the 'much improved plugins format:AU') > - this is the best they've got?? There are plenty of AUs out there with custom graphics: Airy's synths Bitshift's Phatmatik Elemental Audio's effects Urs Heckmann's Rumblence Chris Reed's Crunch Destroy FX's Transverb and probably more that I don't know about... What do you mean "including Emagic as we know"? I don't understand that part of your comments at all. Marc

geoffkaiser@... writes: >I've noticed that if I get the upgrade I've got to give up my USB >dongle and CD in exchange for the new ones... this obviously >means I can't ever use 4.x again if I want or need to....? The LAM5 dongle can open up LAM4. Emagic has since supplied a free USB driver that allows this. I don't think this is possible with LAW. >is there anything that doesn't >convert over to v.5 like I expect it should? Some very large Environment Macros created in Logic4 will not work in Logic5. So you'd have to unpack the Macro in Logic4 and make it smaller until it works in Logic5. I've never encountered one too large yet. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"

> >I too am having problems with Input Objects in LA5.3 under OS9, >>have made > >posts and written to Emagic (1 1/2 months ago), and am still >>frustrated. I > >have no input, faders, or meter on my newly created Input Object - >>I can only > >get a signal from an armed track. > > Signal from an armed track??? An Input Object doesn't even *have* >a > REC button, so how can it be armed? Are you sure the >object's "Cha" > parameter is set to some "Input xx"? Select the object and watch >its > parameter pane at the left side of the window. > And is it set to use the proper hardware ("Dev" parameter)? > > How about using the method described in > http://www.omega-art.com/logic/faq/faq04/faq04.htm#01 > under point 4.1.2, to create a new audio object based on an already > existing one (pick one that works, such as the "Audio 1" object (> Track 1). Set the new object's Cha parameter to "Input 1" (or > whichever input you like). That should definitely give you a >working > Input object. Let me know if this works for you or not. > -- > Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> > Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com Hi Hendrik et all, I wasn't refering to an "armed" input, but an armed audio track. I select Input 1-2 from the Cha parameter and the fader, meter, and input dissappear from the object. If I change the Cha to ANY other such as Aux, Output 1-2, S/PDIF output 1-2 (I use an Audiowerk 2)etc. the meter and faders return. I have software monitoring on, the appropriate input selected in the Audiowerk Driver Panel, etc. - still nothing. I have been monitoring through an armed audio track, but this is inferior - also, it is advertised that LA5 features Input Objects. Any thoughts? Best Regards, Boogs

> teddybut wrote: >> ya but if you use the select all button you can change all the slice's > outs >> at once, AFAIK > > Yes sure, but not as soon as they are on different internal/MIDI channels - > if I did understand correctly that was what Eli was talking about. ??? that makes no sense to me. You can't change the midi channel of an individual slice. > Also, I find it a bit of a hassle that you can either select all slices or > one - would be great if one could select multiple slices but all at once to > assign, say, all your snares to one individual out. yes, very good. I hope that gets added to phat, it would help alot. > This is when > Battery/DR-008 comes in for me, I'm just dragging the PPro slices onto it, > drag the sequence onto the Battery track and continue there. Assigning > multiple outs in Battery/DR-008 is way easier, let alone the option to > replace samples "in context". > > Regards, > Sascha very informative! thanks.. teddybut

I'd like to go mixerless, but I don't know if the current audio interfaces and their software would be able to replace my current mixer/Logic seteup. I was wondering how the audio interface software from the Mobile I/O, RME interfaces, MOTU 828, and Firestation interfaces work in conjunction with Logic. As far as I can tell with my Korg 1212 i/o card, when I'm in Logic, the audio signal of the 1212's inputs are controlled by the routing in the Logic environment (I have software monitoring set on in Logic's preferences in order to monitor live audio in Logic's mixer during mixdown). I get around the latency issue by monitoring live tracks during recording through a different 1212 routing configuration by changing patches on my external digital mixer. So my question is, can I use the audio interface software from the Mobile I/O, RME interfaces, MOTU 828, or the Firestation to create different routing setups for the audio interface, and will those routing setups be recognized by Logic, or is Logic overriding the audio interface software when you use software monitoring and talking directly to the audio interface, and using the routing set in the Logic environment?? Any info would be appreciated.. Paul

>There is nothing to be fixed. The delay is a 'look-ahead' delay and is >part of the spec of this mastering tool. Well, you may be right but I always thought this was comparable to L1 Maximizer series of waves(which is also a mastering tool). There is no delay issue with them. Don't they also 'look ahead'? May be they don't. I honestly do not know. However, I always add stuff later. Sometimes, you feel like adding an organ somewhere after you levels are well balanced. Then if you used Ad-Limiter, you would have to turn it off and redo everything. So, I will just use another type of limiter that do not cause any delay. I still think this could have been designed so it would not cause any delay. But that's me...:-) Yavuz AKYAZICI Guitar Player http://yavuzmusic.com

>>> nder way but it is being held up while one or two issues are >>> resolved (my guess: the now legendary GUI issue). >> Is this _really_ the case with OS-X in general, that the people doing >> AU plugs (including Emagic as we know) have no graphics to work with??? >> After a year or two of OS-X (and the 'much improved plugins format:AU') >> - this is the best they've got?? schrieb Marc Poirier: > There are plenty of AUs out there with custom graphics: > > Airy's synths > Bitshift's Phatmatik > Elemental Audio's effects > Urs Heckmann's Rumblence > Chris Reed's Crunch > Destroy FX's Transverb > and probably more that I don't know about... > > What do you mean "including Emagic as we know"? I don't understand > that part of your comments at all. Hi folks, due to the never-ending discussion and being a bit hyped by Transverb I started a neat experiment today: How long would it take to convert one of the most complex VSTs in means of User interface to AU, namely More Feedback Machine with it's 111 parameters? I started 12:45h and now, 16:45h I did almost the whole transition of the UI (lfo wave buttons missing and step-LEDs fine tuning) , the parameter handling, the presets handling, 4hours minus interruptions by some breakfast, taking a shower, planning the nite and playing some levels of Deimos Rising (luv my iBook!). This is way faster than I expected. If I manage to put up the rest before 20:00h, I'll post the download location. If not, expect to find it on my site tomorrow (depends on my tonite's abuse-situation). Cheers + Happy New Year, ;) Urs urs heckmann urs@... www.u-he.com

> >There is nothing to be fixed. The delay is a 'look-ahead' delay and is > >part of the spec of this mastering tool. > Von: YAVUZ AKYAZICI [mailto:yavuz1@...] > Well, you may be right but I always thought this was comparable to L1 > Maximizer series of waves(which is also a mastering tool). There is no > delay issue with them. Don't they also 'look ahead'? > May be they don't. I honestly do not know. > L1 does lookahead, and it has a delay of only 64 samples, like all Waves dynamic plug ins

>.....he said Drumagog.......He ran it on Acid, >but I assume it works Logic too.....the end >result was fantastic. I tried comparing the performance of Drumagog and MDA BeatBox in Logic Silver 4.7. Drumagog did indeed perform very well in replacing the hits in audio drum tracks with samples of my choice. It was a little unstable in 4.7 but better in 4.8. Not the most efficient plug I've used but the results were good. Didn't try all the features (such as ducking and "stealth mode"). The BeatBox has a more lightweight feel about it, and has the advantage of being able to play a kit of 3 drum samples at once, but it wouldn't track a rapid succession of hits in a drum roll anything like as well as Drumagog did, unless I used the hihat channel, but then I couldn't load a snare drum sample into this channel properly, I guess they've limited the sample size for hihats. Both plugs can reflect the dynamics of the original audio - this can be varied from 0 to 100% in BeatBox; with Drumagog it's either on or off, but it will play dynamic multi-samples. Does anybody know of anything that can create a MIDI file from the audio? All I need is to capture the timing of the audio drum hits. I know that higher versions of Logic have the Groove Template feature which is said to do audio-to-MIDI, but AFAIK that only generates a quantize template which then has to be applied to an existing MIDI track. Hard to see how that could help with a snare roll or a fill. Cheers, Andy

Hi Could anyone tell me why I get this error message while playing back audio samples in Logic Gold 4.0.0? 'Error while synchronising audio and midi. Sample rate of 48000 detected' The sample continues to play, and the message goes away when I click 'continue' but comes back again a few moments later. I have checked everything I can think of. Sound card is Audigy2 Thanks, Wes.