>WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X >WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X >You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal >Modem is it not serial ? Hi, it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial MIDI (not necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I am a PC user and this has been clear to me. Ray

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachlan Deck" <ldeck@...> > The question Cyril, is if you're going to shout (which I tend not to - I > prefer to talk/reason) is what, and to whom, do we shout ?! > > To reiterate: > - I would absolutely love it if my Unitor 8 Mk I (no typo) would be > compatible with Mac OS X. > - I'm absolutely confident that if it _were_ possible that > Michael/Markus and Co (aka Emagic Inc) would provide a Unitor 8 Mk I > driver for Mac OS X. > > The facts are: > - However, as Markus has already pointed out (after having Coffee with > the dude who leads the development for CoreMIDI), serial devices are > _not_ supported at all through CoreMIDI. That makes it an impossibility > from Emagic's developmental point of view. Do you understand that? I'd bet that your old Unitor Mk1 will still be supported as a serial port extension of an AMT8 or U8Mk2 (going to the Mac trough a usb cable). Andrea

>Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...> >WE WANT SERIAL MIDI INTERFACES IN MAC OS X > >WE WANT SERIAL PRINTERS IN MAC OS X Apple makes a habit of not supporting legacy hardware: nubus, SCSI, floppy, serial etc are all taking the long dirt nap. I don't think our friends from Hamburg are going to change this. >You say there will be no serial devices on OSX, what about the internal >Modem is it not serial ? No -- it would either be a PCI device or embedded in part of the mobo chipset. Regards, Murray

http://www.5star-shareware.com/Music/MIDIPlayersandUtilities/midi- vianet-download.html I've had a play and it works, limited, but it works. Handy for people whose studio is completly virtual. At least it's more accesable than MLAN.

>For a recent surround project, I bought a $25 subharmonic plugin called >PhatProDX (not available for Mac, unfortunately) from Delay Dots, a >Ukrainian company. Although highly CPU inefficient, it sounds cool and >seems to work well. Since I have no experience with hardware subharmonic >synthesizers, however, I have nothing to compare it to. > >Anybody out there familiar with subharmonic synths who may also be >acquainted with this plugin? I'm very curious as to whether it does what >it's supposed to do, and how well. Thanks, Above you write "...it sounds cool and seems to work well". I guess that answers your question wether it does what it is supposed to do. The only HW subharmonic synth I'm aware of is the Doepfer Module for their analog modular system. There it is specifically created to build a Trautonium (which does sound quite nice, IMO). This PhatProDX thing seems to create a single subharmonic only, in particular either the 1. or the 3. (1 or 2 octaves below). Not sure what you expect from it but I'd compare this to a decent bass synth playing the same deep note. Or am I missing something ? Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@... Bang on the LEFT side of your computer to restart Windows. PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver

Does anyone know where I can find logic environment multisets for emu expansion roms(orchestral vol.1&2 and moPhat) Logic 5 comes with a set for the proteus2000 which works for the basic module but I couldn't find any for the cards. VERY GRATEFUL for any help.

Opening up Logic 5.2 always results in the same outcome: In the scanning window the AMT8's output is: "All from Creatve S/W synth" which i DEFINITELY don't expect or want. I've tried to uninstall it several times yet it always keeps popping up in the U8control scanning window. If i try to look it up where it is via windows search function it's nowhere, not even in the trash can. Yet it keeps showing up as "output" making it impossible to find my AMT8(via com port) My synths get into logic via AMT8 though. I can play and record my synths into Logic, but i can't hear the recorded sequences play back. I can play and record audio via AMT8 without any problems. In system settings i selected the following: Inputs Port Title 8 1 Unitor in O1 Outputs 8 1 Unitor out 01 Serial port Com 1 I use U8control 3.05, windows me and to tell you honestly my AMT8 setup, which still doesn' moths t work as it should, and this after 3(three!) months feels like a trip in hell. The thing is making me SICK. PS: when i play my synths i do get a n in/out activity in the transport bar, but if i wanna play back a recorded sequence i get no note ins. So how is all of this normal activity possible when at the same time i can't get U8 control to find my AMT8? How come the output isn't Unitor out1, as set in the system settings, but "creative s/w synth", which seems impossible to get rid off? I need help, desperately.

At 12:07 Uhr +0000 31.08.2002, kgheysen wrote: >Opening up Logic 5.2 always results in the same outcome: >In the scanning window the AMT8's output is: >"All from Creatve S/W synth" which i DEFINITELY don't >expect or want. You probably mean Unitor8 Control, not Logic. The message says "All from ..." which means that it checks multiple outputs at once. For some reason the "Creative S/W synth" is the first MIDI output in your system, therefore U8C shows this output's name. U8C can't simply use the "Unitor out 01" port instead of scanning all available outputs, as it is allowed to rename MIDI ports, therefore U8C wouldn't find it in this case. >I've tried to uninstall it several times yet >it always keeps popping up in the U8control scanning window. >If i try to look it up where it is via windows search function >it's nowhere, not even in the trash can. Yet it keeps showing up >as "output" making it impossible to find my AMT8(via com port) >My synths get into logic via AMT8 though. I can play and record >my synths into Logic, but i can't hear the recorded sequences >play back. Are you sure you have set up the track instrument's MIDI output correctly? >I can play and record audio via AMT8 without any problems. Umm, the AMT8 is a MIDI interface. It does not allow playing and recording *audio*. >In system settings i selected the following: >Inputs Port Title >8 1 Unitor in O1 > >Outputs >8 1 Unitor out 01 > >Serial port Com 1 > >I use U8control 3.05, windows me and to tell you honestly >my AMT8 setup, which still doesn' moths t work as it should, and this >after 3(three!) months feels like a trip in hell. >The thing is making me SICK. >PS: when i play my synths i do get a n in/out activity >in the transport bar, but if i wanna play back a recorded >sequence i get no note ins. >So how is all of this normal activity possible when at >the same time i can't get U8 control to find my AMT8? >How come the output isn't Unitor out1, as set in the system >settings, but "creative s/w synth", which seems impossible >to get rid off? >I need help, desperately. First check if for U8C or Logic some MIDI channels are disabled which you aren't aware of. Click Start > Run program..., then enter "Sysedit". You will be shown several setup files, among them "Win.ini". In this file, seek for sections [Logic] and [Unitor8 Control]. In these sections, there should be several lines beginning with "MidiIn_" or "MidiOut_". Check if they all end with "=1" or "=7". If they end with "=0" or "", change the ending to "=1". You can get rid of "Creative S/W synth" by changing the end of line "MidiOut_Creative_S/W_synth" to "=0". -- Beste Gruesse - best regards, Michael Haydn - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl.-Inform. Univ. Michael Haydn mhaydn@... SoundDiver Group Executive http://www.emagic.de/ Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0 Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

At 7:38 Uhr +0000 31.08.2002, johnpitcairn wrote: >A request - when the SoundDiver-style controller-assignments >arrive in Logic, it would be very good to still be able to patch >additional environment processing in there, both before and after >the assignment is made - to add extra capability like soft >takeover if it's not suported natively, trigger assignment changes >from the environment, etc. Currently, incoming MIDI events which match an assignment are not forwarded to the Physical Input object at all. Otherwise you would record the messages a Logic Control produces - this is definitively not what you want. -- Beste Gruesse - best regards, Michael Haydn - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl.-Inform. Univ. Michael Haydn mhaydn@... SoundDiver Group Executive http://www.emagic.de/ Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0 Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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> Currently, incoming MIDI events which match an assignment are not > forwarded to the Physical Input object at all. Otherwise you would > record the messages a Logic Control produces - this is definitively > not what you want. why not? ... could be fun ! and help going back to OBA ... keep an open mind! could also help on reverse engeneering the midi-language of LC in case emagic will stay with keepping it "a secret" .

-----Original Message----- > why not? ... could be fun ! > and help going back to OBA ... > keep an open mind! > > could also help on reverse engeneering the midi-language of LC in case > emagic will stay with keepping it "a secret" . i've said it before, and i'll say it again. anyone who reverse engineers LC and writes something to make it compatible with other apps will get my money! $$$$ i'd be more than happy to help, but i'm java developer, and you really need someone with c/c++ skills in order to get the speed necessary for it. -mark http://www.markbates.com http://www.bigfrankrecords.com http://www.bigfrankproductions.com

>What I need to know is can I :- >Use the converters of both Adats as an interface to Logic (simultaneously) >Syn the Adats and Logic together (which I couldn't with the PCR) >Achieve sample accurate transfers between Adats and Logic. Nick, AFAIK, Logic has never had the ability to sync to ADAT 9 pin- if that's what you are asking about. Even if your audio interface has the connectors to do so, logic (as yet) can't access them to do sample accurate 9 pin sync. This has been lamented numerous times on this list. It works flawlessly in Audio Desk (Mac only software bundled with MOTU 2408), but no joy in Logic. I would love to be proven wrong however :) Didn't Emagic OEM the software bundled w/ the PCR that does sync to ADAT 9 pin? Strange if so... I can use the ADAT converters w/ my 2408 with no problems. Everyone raves about the hammerfall :) Good luck, Russ

>The only HW subharmonic synth I'm aware of is the Doepfer Module for >their analog modular system. There it is specifically created to build >a Trautonium (which does sound quite nice, IMO). What's a Trautonium? >This PhatProDX thing seems to create a single subharmonic only, in >particular either the 1. or the 3. (1 or 2 octaves below). Not sure >what you expect from it but I'd compare this to a decent bass synth >playing the same deep note. > >Or am I missing something ? Michael- My understanding of a subharmonic synthesizer (like the dbx 120) is that it adds deep bottom to existing signals. This can be used to fatten bass tracks in music mixes, but I'm mostly interested in getting that larger than life sound out of spoken voices. I've noticed that, in Disney films for example, big voices have an impossible amount of bottom coming from the subwoofer, and I'm assuming this was accomplished through use of a subharmonic synthesizer. Experienced film mixers feel free to chime in here! Sean McCoy

Aug 31st, 11:51am (Mississauga, Canada eh!) I've had mine repaired twice locally due to outputs failing. Now the overall output is hotter than it used to be, & hotter than my Digi 001. As well, a few of the outputs are slightly quieter than others when tested with a Spector bass track. Perhaps it should now go back to Alesis US for servicing. Anyone else using this device please email me privately so as to not fester the whole group. <admin: Thanks!> regards, David Norris-Elye <www.bigfoot.com/~dnerd>

hello, hope someone can help me: i am trying to synchronize my roland vs1680 via midi with logic audio, but it doesn't work very proper... if i record tracks, which where synchron on the roland, they are a bit too late... but sometimes just 1/10 second, another time a bit more... can you tell me, why this happens? i need the tracks to be 100% in time... configuration: logic audio: synchronized by mtc roland: mtc, 30 fps. with best regards and please excuse my bad english... -- Andre Gronwald agronwald@...

Have Audio Logic audio and midi files that burned on MAC, transfering to CubaseVST32.5. Audio files changed to .wav files, midi changed to .mid, each file renamed individually in Audio Logic. When on PC, the CD files are listed in windows but cant get them to play in any media format or import in to Cubase. When try to import Cubase sees files, but nothing is imported. They are listed as read only files, so changed them to archive. They didnt come up as .wav files either. Told windows to view them as Cubase files, windows changed to Cubase icons but not come up as .wav files. Changed the file type via rename to .wav, seen in windows as .wav but not play on any format in windows. If try to play the altered audio file .wav in Media Player to test outside of Cubase, it says they are not in format that Media player will play. Placed all files in Transmac in case they were in MAC format, Transmac says they are not MAC files and therefore cant be transferred over to Windows files. Any ideas on solution to this 600 meg mess? I do not have access to original files from MAC only what have on CD later ExGroove

Anyone out there using a digigram vx pocket with their Tibook? Im considering gettting one for my 667 r3. It looks like it should do what I need it to.... but ya never know. I definately don't have a RME or an Echo in my budget. Any comments or alternatives would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance -K

> This is a small bug, but not a Logic Control bug. It will happen in > the same way by modifying volume with the volume fader in the track > title column. Will be fixed. > -- > > Beste Gruesse - best regards, > Michael Haydn Michael, you are a superstar. Thanks for looking after us all :) Could you reveal if that fix will be available for PC as well as mac? Regards, Nathan

At 07:46 PM 8/31/2002 +1000, you wrote: >it has been consistently stated for the past 9+ months that serial MIDI (not >necessarily other types of devices) will not be supported on OSX. I am a PC >user and this has been clear to me. My specualtion as to the reason why is that this is a new protocol (or whatever the correct term is) and Apple wants to keep it streamlined and efficient rather than bogging it down with extra code for legacy stuff which is just going to become less and less used as time passes. The decision will probably be negative to a small few in orfder to benefit the majority. I personally use the serial part of my Unitor, but I can understand Apple's thinking and will happily witch to USB when OSX is usable for Logic since core midi will obviously be optimized for USB.Hopefully some of the legacy users will start to realize that they are just looking at the future. It always sucks when you have to shell out some extra doe for some new gear, but I'm sure USB will last for a long enough time to justify the cost for those people. Just my 2 cents :-) Colin Miller

At 04:04 PM 8/30/2002 -0700, you wrote: >On 8/30/02 2:56 PM, "CDJ Tracks" <cdjtracks1@...> wrote: > >> (1) Now with that being said my first question is using the ADAT ports on >> the sound card at 192 sample rate, would it split the ADAT ports from 1-8 >> inputs per adat port it would be 1-4 inputs per port??? > Actually, and I may very well be wrong, but I thought lightpipe held 8 channels of 48k (24bit), which means you would get only 2 Channels of 192k audio, not 4. Thus needing 32 Lightpipe ports (How many are on each card?). Or have they implemented 8 ch of 96 on Lightpipe? What are you recording that needs 192K? And to do 64 tracks of it, phew. Good luck with the Hard drives. That.s over 3.8 Gigs per minute (assuming you are runnign 64 tracks, which may not be your case, but if you need 64 i/0 I assume it is). So a 4 minute song would fill a 20 gig drive. Though I doubt you could get any one drive to record/playback that much data. You may need 4 drives at once (not positive). Then of course there is the computer DSP to run a mixer of that size, though thats probably a non-problem compared to the other dilemas. And all that for a difference you 'might possibly' hear a difference on. Hey, if you can get it working, I think that's great. I am just skeptical. I may also bewrong about some of the things I have said above too, but they are just things to keep in mind. Colin Miller PS - Sorry if I am misunderstanding the situation! :-)

I just purchased the Logic Audio Platinum 5.0 upgrade and was reading how you need to send in the original software CD of the EXS24, etc., in order to get the access codes. What if I need to reinstall the software? Are the CD's returned? I don't like the idea of mailing away software that I've purchased. -Scott

hi, good news for Giga-conversion : Mac and PC: - The new EXS24 with its different triggering options is now fully supported. - Conversion of Giga programs with dimension (controller, keyswitch and note off trigger) to the EXS24 format. - An exclusive dimension compression algorithm that reduces the number of zones without any loss of quality. This algorithm is used when you convert a giga program with dimensions to the EXS24 format. - The Controller Switch function is now available for the EXS24 conversion. You can now select several different programs and combine them into one EXS24 instrument and use a controller to switch from one to another. Mac: - Improvement of the SampleCell conversion - In r4 the database was no longer accessible, this is now fixed. with regards, Sebastian --

OK, let me put it another way ... can _anybody_ record midi instrument track automation for cutoff, resonance, chorus, reverb, etc (anything other than volume & pan), by moving the "assign 1-5" knobs on a track mixer midi channel? John Pitcairn

--- In logic-users@y..., Michael Haydn <mhaydn@m...> wrote: > Currently, incoming MIDI events which match an assignment > are not forwarded to the Physical Input object at all. Otherwise > you would record the messages a Logic Control produces - > this is definitively not what you want. Agreed... Perhaps the environment could include a new "controller assign" object which would route any events cabled to it directly to the controller assignment window? Any events from a supported control surface (ie with a control surface plugin) could still be tapped off prior to the Physical input. If no "controller assign" object exists in the environment (which would be the default), all incoming controllers matching an assignment could be tapped off prior to the Physical Input as they are now. But if the user creates a "controller assign" object, the controller assignment window would switch to getting its input from that, maybe? A thorny problem I know - how to provide controller mapping functionality for beginners, while still allowing seasoned environment users to add enhancements. The environment is Logic's real "secret weapon" in my opinion - it would be a shame if new areas of Logic functionality were inaccessible from the environment. A semi-related question: Is track automation supposed to be recordable by moving onscreen controls for midi instruments (ie the "assign 1-5" knobs in the track mixer)? It's not working for me for anything other than volume & pan... John Pitcairn (freak) :-)