Will we have to send back CD's as before, or do we simply get codes to enter into the XSkey? Mine are order - just curious. Regards - Colin

When you guys are talking about 'bouncing' is that a function or feature built into Logic or a manual process off routing mixer subouts into a interface then caputing that as a new 'track', exporting that as a wave then mastering from that wave ? Or is there some 'feature' to automatically bounce everything down ? sorry if I sound like a simpleton. Just curious and am away from Logic right now.

vigour@h... writes: > >how do I record the output > >af the FM7 (or any other VST synth) to an audio track "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: > 1) Use the Bounce To Disk feature (make sure you solo only > the track(s) you want to bounce: What You Hear Is What You > Get). Make sure you note exactly where the bounce started > (say, 1.1.1.1) > 2) Put the resultant audio file onto the desired track, starting > at that same time (say, 1.1.1.1 from the example above). Man, wouldn't it be fantastic if this rather archaic thing would go away? How about a bounce button on EVERY audio mixer channel, instrument, fader and output? Hitting this would bring up a dialogue with the bounce options already in there now, as well as options for bouncing w. or w/o. effects, sends, etc., and a little tick-me button for replacing the original file(s) with the bounced one, sample accurate and all! This would make life sooooo much easier for us all, especially now with all this internal synths going on ... Emagic? :-) Flemming Bloch Mindless Studio Aarhus, Denmark

"djblueberry" <djblueberry@...> > I have heard the sound all the time in some Trance forms, i'm > told the effect is actually a resonating chord chopped up to > the on/off groove send to a noise gate. > How can you do this in Logic? I tried this with the > automation, but its a bit fiddly and didnt sound right. Better > would be for someway to punch out the groove in a midi track > and send it to a plugin. > Anybody know any otherway that noise gates can be manipulated > to a groove. I know that cubase has a special midi plugin for > doing just this. use a bass track or another trigger with good transisents as the sidechain for your pad track :) ~Neil - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neil Parfitt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Composer for Multimedia Digital Audio Edit & PostProduction Custom Designed Digital Audio Systems Email: neil@... Phone: 416 668 1080 Web: www.neilaudio.com

>> I would say thank you from the bottom of my heart but being as there >> is not actually a link on the site to start the download On 30/4/02 6:11 pm, "Markus Fritze" <mfritze@...> wrote: > This driver is (almost) especially for you :-) Hi Markus I've found the link now but I had to use Explorer to see it, Navigator showed all the other links on the page but just a title for the Xskey driver. Cheers Markus, Gareth

Paul wrote: > Michael: My comment regarding the controls feeling toy-like is > purely an aesthetic opinion. I felt that the vpot knobs were > rather small and the hard plastic they're made if make them a > bit slippery. No big deal. I personally prefer larger > rubberized knobs. The flip feature pretty much negates this > criticism because if desired the vpots could be used for status > only and the faders can be used for input. Again I will say I'm > very highly impressed with the quality > and feel of the faders. Paul and others: I can see what you mean, aesthetically, there's a quite big difference 'quality feel wise' between the faders and the pots, I agree. They seem to work just fine, though (the pots), which is the main thing. One thing that nags me a bit about them is the clicks. I can see the point of having clicks, but it'd been nice if there were more, it feels a bit weird to turn a pot a click which is maybe a 20th of a full rotation, and then the resulting change is only 1/128th of panning movement. This also makes creating rapid pans impossible (as you said, you can just flip the desk, but it's not funny to do pans etc with a vertical fader). At least this feels odd for a guy like me, used to operating 'normal' analog consoles. Then again, I prefer the versatility of the automation system of my little Logic setup over the old SSL G series I normally use! Talk about outdated computers!! :-) The other thing about the pots is the v-pot/s-pot thing. EG: Choosing plugs to insert with these is not very practical, first of all, I've got quite a lot of plugs (Emagics own and a lot of VST stuff, the Waves Platinum range on it own is massive) so scrolling thru all these entries is rather confusing – it's hard to actually find the one you want. When you finally find it, it gets even tougher, cause you gotta hit the same pot to actually select the plug, and if you're not careful it's very easy to accidentally turn the pot a bit while pressing, thereby selecting a complete wrong plug. It'd make more sence if fx. the enter button was used for selecting stuff from 'menus' like this ... Minor problem, though: It still feels more natural to use the mouse for this anyway! :-) Flemming Bloch Mindless Studio Aarhus, Denmark

--- In logic-users@y..., "thestudiolife" <dreinstein@e...> wrote: > Does anyone know how to use the Bounce function to record > the audio output of external midi gear? I have read the other > posts on this issue and read the manual, but I still can't get > it to work. I have done exactly what you said - route inputs to an output and then bounce - it works here as long as software monitoring is on. You mentioned soloing the midi track and recording to another - I have done this also. Do you intend to simply record a midi'd instrument as audio, or do you want to include live inputs as you bounce your mix? If you are just tracking synths before mixing and need to use solo, just record enable your audio track, then put logic in record-enable/toggle (it pauses) then highlight the midi track objects you want to record/bounce, hit solo, then play. When Logic enters record-enable, solo'd track objects are no longer highlighted (at least in 5.0), so you have to select them *after* putting Logic in record-enable mode. Works for me anyway. Regards, Dedric

Hi Michael and technodork_2000 > I do have follow controller selected in the Adaptive Mixer as well > as the chain button selected., and when I bank over to 64 and > select it, it remains out of view to the right, same for the arrange > window? > > Any idea what I am doing wrong? > I have also experience something similar. I have found that the Mixer WON'T scroll when the LC is in 'Global View' mode but WILL scroll when not in 'Global View' mode. However, I could also be doing something wrong........ I can recreate this problem 100% of the time. Thanks Kim

"djblueberry" <djblueberry@y...> wrote: > I have heard the sound all the time in some Trance forms, > i'm told the effect is actually a resonating chord chopped up > to the on/off groove send to a noise gate. > How can you do this in Logic? I tried this with the > automation, but its a bit fiddly and didnt sound right. Better > would be for someway to punch out the groove in a midi track > and send it to a plugin. > Anybody know any otherway that noise gates can be manipulated > to a groove. I know that cubase has a special midi plugin for > doing just this. Pretty easy if you got the right gear, which in this case means Logic 5. You just use the side chain input of the Noise gate (inserted on the track you wanna chop)! Send the chopping track to this sidechain, and you're rolling! :-) If you don't wanna hear the chopper itself, just output it to some unused output! Flemming Bloch Mindless Studio Aarhus, Denmark

Paul wrote: > I've been in the engineering/recording business for over 35 > years. There IS a difference re bounce quality & original! > No one is trying to convince you one way or another. But some > do experience a difference and it's not helpful to dismiss > such claims because you can't hear it on your system. As we > all know, different systems may produce different results. To > be absolute on the matter is the same as saying ... "My Logic > system is OK. Therefore you must be wrong." If your system > does not exhibit any sonic problems then, I for one, envy > your setup! If phase reversing isn´t enough proof, blindtesting is the only other way. Please download the relevant ABX app. and check your material. For PC: http://www.downlinx.com/windows/Audio/MiscSoundTools/2.htm and for Mac: http://www.airwindows.com/dithering/index.html Best Lennart -- TAKING CARE of AUDIO(tm) tca@...

Steve wrote: > > Switch on LC and open up a new song in Logic > > Bring up the "Save As..." dialog - LC LED display shows "AlErt" > > as expected. > > Cancel the Save dialog - LC LED display still shows "AlErt" > > Move Song Position to (for example) 2 bars, 2 beats, sub division > > 3 - LC LED display shows "2 2A3Ert" > > As I said, this isn't a major problem, but I'm hoping it's not just me! From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@...] > For any dialog involving a file selector it is necessary to use your > keyboard and mouse. Sorry - I should have been clearer, I cancel the save dialog with the mouse/keyboard - this is fine - it's what's left on the LC LED display that concerns me - do you experience the same thing? Steve.

> I have heard the sound all the time in some Trance forms, i'm told > the effect is actually a resonating chord chopped up to the on/off > groove send to a noise gate. > > How can you do this in Logic? I tried this with the automation, but > its a bit fiddly and didnt sound right. Better would be for someway > to punch out the groove in a midi track and send it to a plugin. > > Anybody know any otherway that noise gates can be manipulated to a > groove. I know that cubase has a special midi plugin for doing just > this. I'm not totally sure that I understand what you're asking for, but I think that my MIDI Gater plugin might do what you're looking for: http://www.smartelectronix.com/~destroyfx/extras/ You need Logic 5 in order for it to work, though, since 5 is the first version that has allowed the routing of MIDI notes to VST effect plugins. Marc Poirier

I tried to do some step inputting today in the event editor. For some reason the note resolution values ( quarter, sixteenth etc,) which you can change using the small box in the event editor no longer changes the duration of the note you are inputting. Can someone else check this? Has the way you set the note value changed in 5.0 Thanks

From: "djblueberry" <djblueberry@...> > I have heard the sound all the time in some Trance forms, i'm told > the effect is actually a resonating chord chopped up to the on/off > groove send to a noise gate. > How can you do this in Logic? I tried this with the automation, but > its a bit fiddly and didnt sound right. Better would be for someway > to punch out the groove in a midi track and send it to a plugin. > Anybody know any otherway that noise gates can be manipulated to a > groove. I know that cubase has a special midi plugin for doing just > this. With 5.0... Lets say your Cord is on Track 1. Create an audio file with a high hat or something, with the rythm you want on track 2. On Track 1, insert the Gate plugin, and make your Sidechain track 2. Mess with the threshold and other parameters til you get the sound you like... You can also do this with audio instruments. Insert instrument you want on a track. Send output to a bus. That bus, insert a Gate Plug. Insert 2nd instrument for rythym. Send its output to another bus. Use the 2nd bus as the sidechain for the gateplug... Voila... -- Bryce Fischer <vbfischer@...>

> Will we have to send back CD's as before, or do we simply get codes > to enter into the XSkey? All currently shipping products come with codes for the XSKey. MMM -- Markus Fritze Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>; Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS

> Markus, will the key also validate my EXS24 inside Logic 4? ...Aaron You can even demo these products under Logic 4, when you enable the demo under Logic 5 :-) So, the answer is yes! MMM -- Markus Fritze Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>; Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS

From: Gareth Henderson <gareth.enmasse@...> > Remember that the difference between ATA100 and ATA66 is their > theoretical maximum transfer rate. If the drive won't transfer > more than 66MBpersec anyway then it makes no difference which > you use. Do you know of any 7200rpm EIDE drives that transfer > better than 66 MB per sec? No, neither do Apple! Well, that's true for *sustained* transfer rates (IBM 120GXP drives have 44mb/s sustained rate, IBM 60GXP drives get 40mb/s) - which are definitely the most important thing with Logic -- but thanks to the hard drive's cache, bursts of up to 100 mb/s can be reached with ATA100. Not a *huge* difference compared to ATA66, but when accessing a lot of different small files (e.g. .exs instruments, presets, etc) thanks to the hard drive cache faster speeds can be reached - just not for very long. I totally agree ATA100 is not a huge benefit, and especially when recording entire tracks (even just one track, let alone 64+ at once) it doesn't help at all. I just wanted to point out ATA100 drives can go over 66 mb/s in small bursts, which *sometimes* might speed things up very slightly.

Lennart Wåhlin wrote: > If phase reversing isn´t enough proof, blindtesting is the only other way. > Please download the relevant ABX app. and check your material. > > For PC: > http://www.downlinx.com/windows/Audio/MiscSoundTools/2.htm > > and for Mac: > http://www.airwindows.com/dithering/index.html Lennart, Thanks for that great tip about the ABX application - it's really very useful! http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Von: f-erenc szabo [mailto:zerobeat@...] > The sonic quality (or lack thereof) of music made with gear in > the last decade+ no longer determines if it will sell or not. > This is now completely the domain of the engineers, songwriters > and musicians. > The worst recording gear (hardware and software) made in the last > decade can still produce results that exceed the vast majority of > listener's expectations. > The pursuit of sonic excellence is always indeed a noble goal, but > don't kid yourself that it is the prime or even secondary reason > for $ucce$. > And even in the domain of sound quality itself, the choice of microphone > placement or choice of one eq setting over another, or relative volumes > of various instruments can have a vastly greater impact on sound quality > than the difference between 16 or 24 bits. In many cases I agree, but there are circumstands, where the bitrate gets very important, and even minor (ie. dither-) errors are enjoyment-killers. Best example: a classic-CD from the famous ECM-Label: Arvo Pärt, Te Deum (real audiophile!). If you see it anywhere, buy it, it's a milestone. Even for classic-haters! It's so pure and delicious... In the first 20 seconds, you can hear, what the advances of the last five years could have done to this Recording. The engineers who did this CD, knew a lot about their Job, although the beginning of the Te Deum goes under in smeary dust. There is so much athmosphere (it was recorded in a church somewhere in finnland), that I always want to pull up the Volume to catch more of it, but the 16 Bits say NO! But you're right, for Rock'n Roll, and major-company-radio-shit it's not quite important. Don't get me wrong, I'm Rock'n Roller in my roots, but in the meantime I also earn money with classic-recording and producing, and I'm happy to say that Logic is a good Instrument for that, too (after getting to know, what to avoid ;o)! Regards, Tim Dylla (waiting for the 24 Bit-consumer-CD & the FusionPower)

On 4/30/02 11:56 AM, "Markus Fritze" <mfritze@...> wrote: > Mac OS XSKey Driver for Logic 4 series > April 30th 2002 > > The Mac OS XSKey Driver enables you to run your existing Logic 4 Mac OS > version and plug-ins using your new authorized XSKey. A free download of > this driver is now available. We regret that it is not possible to offer a > similar solution for Windows customers due to technical reasons. Great news Markus, thanks. Is this driver for V4 only, or does it handle V4 and V5 interchangeably? Regards Malcolm ----------------- Malcolm Payne Music NYC http://www.malcolmpayne.com

At 18:58 +0100 30.04.02, Steve Baker wrote: >Can anyone respond to this and tell me whether this is a widespread problem >or something particular to my set up? > >Just to clarify - to reproduce: > >Switch on LC and open up a new song in Logic >Bring up the "Save As..." dialog - LC LED display shows "AlErt" as expected. >Cancel the Save dialog - LC LED display still shows "AlErt" >Move Song Position to (for example) 2 bars, 2 beats, sub division 3 - LC LED >display shows "2 2A3Ert" > >As I said, this isn't a major problem, but I'm hoping it's not just me! This would be a bug which slipped thru the beta test. Mac or Windows? Does it happen every time you close the "Save as" dialog? Do you mean menu item "File > Save as..." to save a song with a different name? (just to make sure) -- Beste Gruesse - best regards, Michael Haydn EMAGIC Soft- und Hardware GmbH SoundDiver Group Executive Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) Unitor8 Control Project Manager

I have recently upgraded to Logic 5 Mac and now have midi error problems. I had a super stable system with 4.8.1 and have not changed a thing in my setup otherwise. I am working on a track I started in 4.8.1 and have opened in 5, so NOTHING new has happenned except the software and driver upgrades. Two midi problems happen now:1. I get a message saying "midi error" and lose midi input from my master controller but Logic still sends midi to its Audio instruments and to my external synths (but wont receive midi from the controller). 2. I get no midi error message and just notice that Logic stops receiving midi. My controller is OK because I can see on the MT4 that it is sending midi, but the midi doesnt get to logic from the MT4. If I disconnect the MT4 from USB and reconnect it I am back on line again. Seems to me to be something like a driver error or similar? I have the latest Unitor driver installed. I am running unified virtual and classic midi engines. Can anyone give me any suggestions? Would upgrading to OS 9.2 make any difference to the USB drivers? Mac G4 OS 9.1 LAMP 5 MT4 324 megs RAM TIA Glenn Bartlett

I am changing my old G3 Blue for a G 4 733 . I was Logic 4.8.1 using the MTP AV with a G Port . Is anyone using the MTP AV with the USB connection , i remember trying that and not getting good results . Any tips ? Thanks in advance.

> Great news Markus, thanks. Is this driver for V4 only, or does it handle V4 > and V5 interchangeably? You can use them without any problems (but you probably can't use both applications at the same time :-) MMM -- Markus Fritze Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>; Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS

At 11:55 -0700 30.04.02, Neil Goldstein wrote: >For any dialog involving a file selector it is necessary to use your >keyboard and mouse. This is correct, but it should not garble the time display. -- Beste Gruesse - best regards, Michael Haydn EMAGIC Soft- und Hardware GmbH SoundDiver Group Executive Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) Unitor8 Control Project Manager