For some strange reason the level indicator on audio tracks that I have panned all left doesn't show in arrange window? The tracks appear completely dead. Not that I use those indicators for anything... It's just convenient to see what tracks are active. LAPW 4.81 WXP

Yeap, it worked some times ago. I can't remember in what version it worked, though. --- In logic-users@y..., "the Doghouse NYC" <nat@d...> wrote: > > > I was under the impression that "Release Audio in Background" actually > > > meant releasing the audio *driver* in the background, not any used audio > > > files. But if I'm wrong, I stand corrected :) > > > > That's actually what it means. Necessary if you have no additional audio > > card for multimedia purposes, external wave editors and the likes. > > Anyways, even if it would work it'd only make true sense along with some > > "release files in background" feature. > > > Correct me if I am wrong but I though that the short time when LA worked > with external sample editors was when this feature was working. Or did it > never work at all? > > Regards, > > Nathan > ___ > Nathan Rosenberg > music production > The Doghouse NYC > www.doghouseNYC.com

No offense, but you should have shopped around more and made sure of the features *before* you bought Logic, which is a pretty significant investment (for Platinum). If you use Logic for a while, you'll start to notice that it's much more powerful, flexible, etc., than anything else. - Cakewalk Pro Audio (or even Sonar) just isn't for pro use (ask any pro audio professional). - Cubase is good, but not as cool and flexible. Also heard that a lot of people had problems with it. - Logic is really hard to learn and get used to, but once you do, there's no going back :) The bugs and non-features you mention aren't really that critical to making music. Most of the people on this list like to bitch. And I'm not kidding. If you go anywhere else, you won't find 1/16th the bitching going on. And I sometimes wonder why there's so much, but even that doesn't matter. Logic is perfectly well and good *right now* for making music. It has automation, just not intuitive and awesome like pro tools / other systems, and that will all change with v5.0 (which is coming out, almost right now). Offline track mix, a minor inconvenience. External editor support is a known bug, which will be fixed (you can already use an editor, but can't save in it. Apparently this used to work?). Emagic has a good history of making bug fixes and new features available in incremental releases for free, on their website. So the majority of us (you included) should not worry about things too much. If you absolutely *NEED* offline track mix and external editor support, etc, etc, consider going to cubase. But if you learn Logic, you'll find they are cool but not totally essential. Truth be told, I bought Logic because I originally bought a Unitor8 MIDI interface, and I heard that AMT technology could be used to its greatest advantage by Logic (or other Emagic products). At the time, I didn't really know much about the differences between Pro DAWs, so I bought Logic, simply because I needed a DAW that worked well with my hardware. It worked out nicely. My roommate constantly criticizes me (in fun ;) about how I like to have sex with Logic, that I never need a girlfriend if I have Logic, etc. He's also coincidently a sonar user. He's just jealous. :) -Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: no ext editor, no offline bounce, no automation..a lemmon? I'm new to Logic, but in the last few days I found out that we have: - no external editor feature - no offline track mix option - no self respecting automation Let me ask you guys, why do you use Logic? I bought it because I have an Asio card now, but also use Sonar 1.31 with my other non-Asio card and can tell you that it has all these functions very well developed plus any other option that I've found so far in Logic. I really hope I did not waste my money in something that is just fashionable but not really good I hope I did not offend anyone Regards _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, > Because my p3 733 can run 30 plus mono platinum verbs easily and use > less resources than my 1800xp. > So if anyone can clarify this I would be most grateful, because I > have spent so much time on this its getting very frustrating. > I have downloaded and installed the latest 4 in 1 drivers and I have > checked all the patches on the viatech and via arena sites, my bios > has been tweaked and re tweaked endlessly over the last few days. > I also put the 2 hard drives on the ide controllers and the DVD and > CD burner on the promise controller etc... I would do it the other way around. Put your Hard Drives on a Promise ATA100 Controller. VIA Controllers suck. I can do 31 Stereo PVerbs with Athlon XP 1800+. We tested this at PT LE Forum and almost everybody doubled+ their performance by adding a Promise ATA100 controller. If you do not have it buy it. It is $25.00 Yavuz

Matt, > From: "JL_Picard6288" <jl_picard6288@...> >I was under the impression that "Release Audio in Background" actually >meant releasing the audio *driver* in the background, not any used audio >files. But if I'm wrong, I stand corrected :) > >-matt > >>I may be wrong about this but I think this has to do with a feature >>that was implemented, fixed, and then broken in an update >>somewhere along the line. The feature is 'release audio in background' >and is available in one of the preference menus. >>It does not, I believe, work anymore. Originally "Release Audio in Background" released not only the audio driver, but the file as well. That was the whole point in configuring an external audio editor for use with Logic. On PC an Alt-dblClick would open the file in an external editor, it could be previewed, edits made (noise reduction...etc) and then saved. Closing the audio editor brought you back to Logic with the edited file in place, all that was left to do is rebuild the waveform image so that Logic reflected the edits. This has been broken for quite sometime, I use (used to) this extensively with SoundForge. Needless to sayu, I miss it a lot, I can't understand why Emagic doen't fix this. regards... howard

HI again, If you are interested in my setup... I have Gigabyte GA7DX (AMD 761 + VIA South Bridge) Athlon XP 1800+ 512MB PC 2100 DDR 2 X IBM Deskstars (Both as a master on Promise controller Channel 1 & 2 using seperate cables) Midiman Midisport 4 X 4 USB MIDI Matrox G450 Dual head SBLive AW2 Digi001 LAWP 4.8.1 ACPI disabled IRQs Digi001 IRQ 10 SBLive IRQ 9 AW2 sharing IRQ11 with video card(Even this works) Promise COntroller on IOR 5 (This works best if Promise is on IRQ 5 ALONE!!!) Check your IRQs since IRQ priority is not in a regular order. Choose your sound card's IRQ carefully... Really, as far as 'PC Architecture' is concerned, IRQ9 gets priority of IRQ10. However, if nothing is using IRQ9 (or not generating many interrupts) then 10 would be just fine. Think of this list like everyone of these devices generated an interrupt at exactly the same time. How would the PC handle it? Here's the order of interrupts as they are serviced: 0: System Timer 1: Keyboard 2: PIC#2 - IRQ's 8-15 8: Real Time Clock 9: 10: 11: 12: Mouse 13: Floating Point Unit 14: Hard Disk 15: Hard Disk 3: Com 2 Serial Port? 4: Com 1 Serial Port 5: 6: Floppy Disk 7: Parallel Port I think 9 is best, but if your motherboard has lots of junk on 9, and nothing on 10, then I'd choose 10. Best wishes Yavuz

>I also think that the Mac PV is buggy with MP right now . .as I've seen >error messages pop up with just 1 in line (as we previously discussed, Ray) Ah . .nevermind on this. It was the FAT EQ we were discussing. best, Jon -- config-- Apple G4 Dual 800, 1.5 gig of ram, Mac OS 9.2.2, RME Hammerfall DSP/ Digiface, MOTU 2408, MOTU MTP AV (USB), Apogee WC Master, Spirit Digital 328 (digital mixer/controller), ATI Radeon AGP, ATI Rage128 (second monitor).

MOTU tech support has told me that, with AudioDesk or Cuemix software and a 2408 (which I have), the individual inputs from the 24i can be accessed and routed. If this is true, it would allow me to dump my 01V, which I'm using strictly as a sampler submixer, grouping and routing signals via Lightpipe to a Mackie d8b. Can anyone confirm that this internal routing does indeed work? Any help appreciated. Sean McCoy Oregon Sound Recording

On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 07:26 , woodslanding wrote: > The cool thing about 32 bit is the notion of "absolute volume". Never > set > levels again! What you put in is what you get out! Inaudible or > deafening, > it doesn't matter! That makes a lot of assumptions, in particular one would need to have all sorts of standards in place, from the voltage levels microphones have to produce for a given sound pressure level, etc. By the time I'd have to fine tune and match all the components of an audio chain to be properly configured for absolute volume, level adjustment starts to look really simple. Of course getting rid of cheesy pots would be a good thing... ...but there's always ladder attenuators for purists. Absolute volume? Hm, I think my neighbors wouldn't like that idea too much if I were to listen to any music in absolute volume at 4 in the morning ;-) But seriously, the one thing against absolute volume is that most listening environments just ask for compressed sound, people get uncomfortable e.g. with the full dynamic range of an orchestra in the living room, even though the "insanely loud" 90dB one might reach on a decent system before people go running are just about the ambient noise floor in the NYC subway, and the same people don't mind that too much. People's minds are much too contextual for absolute volume or even absolute dynamic range to work in most settings. What would be cool however, and might be possible with MPEG4, is to have the uncompressed data stream sent along with parameters and processing algorithms, so the playback unit can compress things on the fly according to the mastering engineer's ideas, yet at the same time a user could bypass it and listen to the music in the original dynamic or process it according to their own preferences. Ronald

<In the german keyboards magazine michael cretu (enigma) said, that he's <happy with his G3 and eventually considers to upgrade to a G4. But not <really needed right now and no hurry ... hmmm, he rather writes hits than <plays around with 50 PV's I guess ;-) yoonchi, you're so right ... chianti: <villa antinori, I hope ... yeah :) but this guy don't needs native horse power. He has a huge protools system and besides the lame grafik card a g3 and a magma chassis is a rock solid system (when you never move it) but one reason is that he don't moves to G4 is that he cant use more then 2 monitors wich is really true.

Rebuild your desktop Restart your machine while holding down: Option + Command Keys When if finishes booting up a dialogue box will appear asking you if you would like to Rebuild Desktop. Click Okay, each time it asks you to. That should do it. Peace, Alexis > >Jan 31st, 5:50pm (Mississauga, Canada) > >B&W G3/450, OS 9.1 >G4/400, OS 9.1 > >Lately 2 LAM friends of mine are having icon problems. Their VST & mp3 file >icons have changed to blank (whitish) look & won't load. They have to >re-install them to get them back up. Type & Creator have not changed....most >odd! And the solution is.................? > >David Norris-Elye / Towne Music ><www.bigfoot.com/~dnerd>

on 31/1/02 8:49 PM, Greg Richardson at suresuper@... wrote: > Can someone helpme hear? Or do we want 3 second bounces on 8 minute > tracks??? Go back to cubase ...what a bunch of complainers.... ..well, imagine if you are working on a very complex (and long, say 10 min) piece.. with say, 40 mono audio tracks. you wish to go and mix it elsewhere, where logic is not available and you have done editing and have realtime plugs on every track that you wish to preserve... seeing as logic currently offers no OMF support...you need to bounce each track out separately in realtime... 10min x 40 bounces = 400 minutes. this is the sort of thing that you could get your studio assistant to do, if you had one. if not, that is over 4 hours of dumping.. granted, I mix most things in logic.. but sometimes when people want parts for a remix, they want them track by track, start to finish...which means you have no choice but to do the above. I think it is legitimate reason to 'complain' .. and I have _never_ used cubase so it is nonsensical to suggest that I go back to it.. regards, ------- antonio gambale [composer] tonemeister +61 2 93808606 +61 416052800

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald C.F. Antony" <rcfa+logicaudio@...> > What would be cool however, and might be possible with MPEG4, is to > have the uncompressed data stream sent along with parameters and > processing algorithms, so the playback unit can compress things > on the fly according to the mastering engineer's ideas, yet at > the same time a user could bypass it and listen to the music in > the original dynamic or process it according to their own preferences. > > Ronald Which would be nice when we have the processing power to do all this in real time... This of course is one of the main goals which will be at sometime achievable but 'results may vary' according to the hardware AND software that is on the receiving end. ('Can't we all just get along?') Danny

Hey guys, here's a theory; Maybe there's a mention of 'Sysex' (as in system exclusive messages) on Joeri's site. The firewall skips the 'sy' and reads that the word 'sex' is contained in the page and refuses access. Maybe? -Markus Notfritze ----- Original Message ----- From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: [LUG] Re: [LUG][OT] Joeri's Website > > > > > >Hmmmm.... out of curiosity I thought i'd check Joeri's Belway website to > >see what it was all about.....but my employers firewall rejected access to > >that website declaring 'The websense category "sex" is prohibited' !! What > >sort of work are you into?? and do you have any jobs??!! > > > Well, I make soundtracks for sex films, didn't you know that? ;-)) > No seriously, I'd appreciate if you could forward me the message you > got, as I just got a new host and apparently there are still 'some' > problems. :-)) > > I don't have a website yet since moving to the new host. I'll upload > 'something' but right now you won't find anything there. What you should > see is: > - > This is the placeholder for domain belway.com. If you see this page > after uploading site content you probably have not replaced the > index.html file. > This page has been automatically generated by Slash Server Administrator. > - > > The website, once it's uploaded, will contain some basic studio info, > some links, some freebies, some promotion for my music perhaps (although > that's not sure yet) and a link (demo@...) where people can send > their demos. But except for that link which works already, it'll still > take some time. > > As for my jobs: I'm recruiting the girls for the films and I'm "beta > testing " them whether they are good for the job. ;-)))) (only joking, > and not meant as a sexist joke!). As for your question about my jobs: > I'm mostly producing music, I also do sounddesign and I sometimes > license music for other people. Then there's the list administration and > I also study "commercial sciences" at university during evenings > (writing a thesis on "Future Growth Strategies in the Music Business). > Finally, I also do management and roadmanagement for some dance acts. > Hope this answers your question. > > Sorry for the OT. > > Bye, > Joeri > > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com > List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >>>>> Please include [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] in your subject line <<<<< > > FAQ: http://www.logicuser.net > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

--- In logic-users@y..., "hjmmann" <harvey_mann@h...> wrote: > Hi in case anyone missed the thread about the AMDXP 1800+ vs Pentium > platinum verb test. > My tests on the AMD XP1800+ were done with STEREO platinumverbs on a > stereo track and I was able to get roughly 18 or 19 then the system > folded (asio overload) on a Hammerfall card, My Mac results were with Mono plugs. With stereo I get exactly as Betasonic . .19. Sorry for any confusion on my part. best, Jon

It's Feb. now. I thought they were shipping at the end of January. Are they shipping yet? Have Anybody had hands-on experiences with them? Or got one already?

>OK . . with the Hammerfall DSP I get 25 PV and 13 SG. What's also >interesting is that when I turn Multiprocessing off . . I get 21 PV's (so >that's 1 800 G4 running). But the graphics are absolutely abysmal. I believe Dual processing in Logic terms means, one is Application the other being Plugins...but because of the architecture involved with the Dual G4, you almost always need it on. :-( >Regardless, it's quite evident that Logic's current MP implimentation >leaves a substantial amount of untapped processor laying here. As far as I am concerned that is putting it mildly...really. One po'ed mac user over here...and I am really through pissing on Apple. It is time to start directing the stream of urine somewhere else...get my drift. >But, it is >very stable, and the unaffected screen redraws are essential in my opinion. Yes...irritating to say the least. Peace, Alexis

He jo, I have 2 macs with a nvidia DH running under logic and I could not find any problems. But I am not sure that we are speaking about the same card? I only know dual cards with one ADC (apples version of DVI) and one analog output. That's the one you can choose at the apple store. Its at least fast ebough for logic audio. <is anyone using an NVIDIA dual-DVI grafics card (AGP) <on a G4, and if so what are your experiences so far? <It's going to be used in conjunction with LAMP, no video <editing or gaming, so 3D perf.

I called eMagic today. They are taking orders for Logic 5 in the states with an upgrade price of $149. Here's what else I learned Upgrades will only be available through eMagic Should ship mid-February. They said the CD's have already been burned The USB dongle will come and you'll be expected to return your old disks and keys. For those with EVP88, EXS24 and ES1, you'll also be expected to return those disks as well as Logic 5 will contain all programs and when you return the disks, you'll be given a key which will activate them (no need for inserting disks every few weeks) It will also come with full versions of ES2 and EVOC20 which will be active for a limited time. This is a good way to try them both out. They will not sell Logic Control direct. Relative to Logic Control, I called www.audiomidi.com (a great site by the way) and they already have it on their website for $999 though they don't believe they'll start shipping till mid-February. All in all, looks like mid-February before we'll have it in our hands at the earliest. MM

Thanks a lot for the timely info. ;-) --- In logic-users@y..., "witelite2001" <witelite@e...> wrote: > I called eMagic today. They are taking orders for Logic 5 in the > states with an upgrade price of $149. Here's what else I learned > > Upgrades will only be available through eMagic > > Should ship mid-February. They said the CD's have already been burned > > The USB dongle will come and you'll be expected to return your old > disks and keys. > > For those with EVP88, EXS24 and ES1, you'll also be expected to > return those disks as well as Logic 5 will contain all programs and > when you return the disks, you'll be given a key which will activate > them (no need for inserting disks every few weeks) > > It will also come with full versions of ES2 and EVOC20 which will be > active for a limited time. This is a good way to try them both out. > > They will not sell Logic Control direct. > > Relative to Logic Control, I called www.audiomidi.com (a great site > by the way) and they already have it on their website for $999 > though they don't believe they'll start shipping till mid-February. > > All in all, looks like mid-February before we'll have it in our > hands at the earliest. > > > MM

><In the german keyboards magazine michael cretu (enigma) said, that he's ><happy with his G3 and eventually considers to upgrade to a G4. But not ><really needed right now and no hurry ... hmmm, he rather writes hits >than <plays around with 50 PV's I guess ;-) yoonchi, you're so right ... >chianti: <villa antinori, I hope ... > >yeah :) but this guy don't needs native horse power. He has a huge >protools system and besides the lame grafik card a g3 and a magma >chassis is a rock solid system (when you never move it) > >but one reason is that he don't moves to G4 is that he cant use more >then 2 monitors wich is really true. Eh hem...*cough* You can install multiple monitors on current G4's. And also, Magma has new support for PCI expansions systems and is development partner with ATI. So, I can't imagine how that could be serious problem. http://www.magma.com/ Click on: Development Partners Peace, Alexis

Hello all, I would like to know if there are any Logic users of FMHeaven, who know (or have gotten the vst to load) how to get other preset sounds to play? I have searched the internet including the creators site, and have found very little to help me get FMHeaven to function. Please help!! renseven

> From: "hjmmann" <harvey_mann@...> >Hi in case anyone missed the thread about the AMDXP 1800+ vs Pentium >platinum verb test. >My tests on the AMD XP1800+ were done with STEREO platinumverbs on a >stereo track and I was able to get roughly 18 or 19 then the system >folded (asio overload) on a Hammerfall card, whereas my old P3 733 >mhz can get more STEREO platinum verbs on stereo tracks than that and >thats using a hoontech card on a crippled version of WIN ME. I still think your comparison is flawed in the sense that you're using two completely different audio cards on the systems you're comparing. As others have posted, drivers and latency settings will have a pronounced effect on the results. Increase latency on your Hammerfall and try again. Howard

On 1/31/02 5:38 PM, Jonathan Christensen <jon@...> wrote: > OK . . with the Hammerfall DSP I get 25 PV and 13 SG. What's also > interesting is that when I turn Multiprocessing off . . I get 21 PV's (so > that's 1 800 G4 running). But the graphics are absolutely abysmal. To me, that begs for another type of test: how many PVs in SP while still graphically usable? Right now, the difference in maximums is 20% when MP is on. But if you were to stop adding PVs when the redraws stopped allowing for realtime operation, I'll bet you'd only get about 17 PVs or so, and the difference will be about 35% or so. I also think that will change with Logic 5, because from what Markus has been insinuating, I think a lot more G4 and AltiVec optimization has been going on, so I expect to see the difference to be even greater. > Regardless, it's quite evident that Logic's current MP implimentation > leaves a substantial amount of untapped processor laying here. But, it is > very stable, and the unaffected screen redraws are essential in my opinion. And I'm 100% with Jon on this, that stability and speed can't be overestimated. Digital Performer and Cubase may offer more raw juice in MP mode, but they both become absolutely unusable when you start hitting the limits. Logic keeps sailing on until the bitter end, much like the "Pro Tools TDM experience" F-erenc was touting. I think the combination of Logic Audio and an MP Mac is an absolute winner in every way, and I've no doubt that the same does or will hold true for the Windows platform. Orren --------------------------- http://www.dvboutique.com http://www.emberafter.com

Hi Howard, > I still think your comparison is flawed in the sense that you're using two > completely different audio cards on the systems you're comparing. Yes, but i was using 256 buffer. Buffer change did not do much difference in mysystem only about 10% unless i go to the lowest it decreases by 30%. We did many tests with the new Athlons at PT LE forum and the correct use of Promise controller on mixed chipset Athlons (AMD North B. and VIA Southb.) always produced 100% better results. In other words, it doubled the performance. So a Promise ATA100 controller on IRQ5 fixes most problems of GA7DX, A7M266 boards or simmilar mixed chipsets. Yavuz