Craig, On the contrary. Yes, you do need another app. like LUI but you get to use much more of the card's power than with Logic alone. Peter "Craig, Curtis" wrote: > Oh, I know about using ASIO, but it would certainly be nice to be able to > more efficiently use the card natively; as an ASIO card, most of the power > of the card goes unused. > > Curtis > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> I thought that is how you get zero latency, by letting the card do the > routing, how about you connect the synth... To the Ins and the outputs to > the mixer? Do you get latency with the Software monitoring option>? Ray has > measured the routing with the disabled option and confirms its Zero > latency.... Zero latency: software monitoring OFF and then it's hardwired. Some latency: software monitoring ON and you can then process the audio you're monitoring. Hope this helps. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Hi, I had the same problem - You have to download the imate 2.6 driver from www.griffintechnology.com/imate/imate driver.html and then it works - not very good but it works. Here in Germany, you have the possibility of changing your dongle against a USB dongle. My problem is - and it's shurely your's too - when do I find 10 days for sending my old dongle and waiting for a new one ? All the best, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "david kingsley" <david@...> To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: [LUG] LAM: ADB key on DP450 > Greetings! > > I'm installing LAP from 4.0 CD on a G4 (AGP) DP 450 (OS 9.0.4) using > an ADB dongle with Griffin iMate USB/ADB adaptor. > > two issues: > > 1) I'm trying to do this without buying a USB floppy drive, by firing > up the G4 in firewire target mode under a beige G3 (desktop 266 w/ OS > 9.0.4) with firewire PCI card. the install CD is in the G3, and i > select the G4 system drive for the install. during the install it > asks for the floppy disk, accepts (in the G3) and seems to complete > the install no problem. i read on the emagic site that there is no > copy protection other than the dongle, and that the floppy disk > contains data relevant for the install and there is no software key > authorization. > > 2) After the above, the G4 gets restarted and i immediately update > the 4.0.0 software to 4.6.3 (assuming that the 4.0 is not G4 or OS 9 > compat) and when i launch get the ! message "Key doesn't respond! > Logic Audio requires both the LOGIC and the AUDIO key. please > reconnect and reboot." > > OK-- the dongle works fine on the G3. i have tried on G4 in many > combinations and orientations with and without ADB Kensington > TurboMouse (which works fine with the iMate) with of course many > reboots. the iMate was purchase AFTER a call to Emagic where i was > told a USB dongle was not required, and that the iMate was the > adaptor to get. sounded simple enough, though at the time i forgot > entirely about the floppy disk. > > what does the message mean "...requires BOTH the LOGIC and the AUDIO > key..." ? is there not only one key? has anyone else tried such a > thing to avoid buying a single use essentially disposable USB floppy > drive (hardly use the one in the G3)? i even tried firing up the G3 > using the G4 system disk (while in firewire target mode) which didn't > work (got a disk icon with ? and it reverted back to G3 system > disk)... > > anyone have a suggestion this snowy sunday? > > thanks!!! > > david kingsley > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Anyone have any inside scoop on when the Windows update will hit the Emagic site?

Here is my setup: Hewlett Packard computer 733 mhz 256 ram 18g hd ultra wide 10,000rpms digi96/pst sound card motu midi express xt interface oxygen 3dlabs video card I'm having problems with my midi interface, which I didn't have in my older system. When I run the midi express software to map out midi connections everything works fine. The drivers for the midi interfaces works fine, until I launch the LAW Logic platimum program. This is the message I recieve, "The IRQ specified in the driver setup appears to be occupied already. You may have set up another device on the same IRQ as your midi EXpress XT. If you continue with the current setting, conflicts may arise. Enable driver anyway? Yes or No". When I choose no Logic will start. The audio card(digi96/pst) works. The midi channels doesn't work. I can see all the midi express's channels, but they are shaded and don't respond. Even when I play the keys on my keyboard controller, no sign of any signal is being proccessed. Not in the software nor the cpu nor the Midi interface itself. Logic seems to disingage the midi interface when you launch Logic. When I choose yes I get a msseage that says, "The driver could not activate your Midi Express XT" From this point my only option is to press the cancel button, which eventually dumps me into Logic with no midi function. Now the midi interface works fine when I use the Cakewalk software. No conflicts at all, except when I launch Logic. I need your help. ASAP Thanks in advance Anthony

OK! I have just loaded a song created with 4.6.3. A drums loop with EXS is playing out of tune (I mean in this case pitched down a lot). Never happened before... (I have heard of this kind of trouble somewhere in this list) It's on my pbook G3 266,no midi interface connected.... If I bypass the EXS and turn it on again,I get the good pitch. If I restart the song :out of tune! Damned.... -- Rene De Wael rene.dewael@...

LAM is out but LAW is not :-(

Thanks guys ! It's good to see I'm not alone. Thought I did something stupid in the setup. Anyway, for now I'll do the updates in 4.6.1 and play it back in 3.6 as a workaround. Hoping for an update soon ! Cheers, Frank --- In logic-users@y..., mbhelmich@c... wrote: > Michael/Markus, > > Send emails to Emagic support. Got only replies that they recievd my > mail. No sollution yet!!! Issue is going on for months now!!! > > > Maarten > > > --- In logic-users@y..., mbhelmich@c... wrote: > > An update. > > > > Just installed 3.5 again. Didn't touch anything else. Midi timming > > is back were it belongs; rocking solid, no more "rubberband" > effect > > as in LAWP 4.5 or 4.6.1. > > > > My conclusion, it's not the audio driver, the soundcard it self, my > > PC's or what so ever that's causing the bad midi. It's (and I don't > > like to say it because I love it) Logic. > > > > So, for the last time, please, could it be confirmed by Emagic that > > there is a bug in LAWP > 4.5 concerning midi (timming). And will > 4.7 > > and the new midi engine solve this problem once and for all??? > > > > Please could you give us a reaction Markus, Michael?? > > > > Thanx, > > > > Maarten > > > > > > --- In logic-users@y..., mbhelmich@c... wrote: > > > Markus/Micheal, > > > > > > What's causing this? I (still) have the same problem. When all > > audio > > > drivers are disabled, midi timming is rock solid. Switching on PC > > AV > > > or ASIO makes timming really bad. Even with no audiotracks. Do I > > have > > > to make some changes in the BIOS (PCI-settings?) to make it > better. > > > Is it the audiocard driver? > > > > > > Help! I invested a lot of money in LAWP 4.5 (now 4.6.1), the > Unitor > > > AND the AMT (via USB) and a lot of time configuring my dedicated > > > audio/midi PC. (PIII 800, 512 mb, CUSL-2, G450) > > > > > > Maarten > > > > > > > > > --- In logic-users@y..., jufra@g... wrote: > > > > Hi Soren, > > > > > > > > thanks for your answer. Well, the bouncing works now, problem > > > > resolved !! > > > > As for the AW8 buffer size, it is already at it's maximum > setting. > > > > How do you set up your "Synchronizsation" settings for Midi and > > > Audio. > > > > It is not the effects on the audio that causes the hiccups. I > > > switched > > > > off all audio, the midi runs just fine. As soon as I switch on > > the > > > > first audio track (without effects), the problem starts. And > > again, > > > > this doesn't happen in LA 3.6. > > > > Sorry, I said I'm running LAP 4.5, actually I upgraded to 4.6.1 > > > > recently, but this doesn't change anything. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In logic-users@y..., sorenrv@h... wrote: > > > > > Dear Frank > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Question no.2: What I usually do is that I > > > solo > > > > > the audiotracks I want to combine to a single file. When all > I > > > can > > > > > hear is the sound of the audiotrack(s) and the effects, I > > bounce > > > to > > > > > disk from the master audio fader in the environment. > Afterwards > > I > > > > > mute the original audiotrack, import the new mixed down audio > > > file > > > > > and put it in the arrange windows where it should be. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding you Logic sync problems there are probably someone > > out > > > > > there more clever than me who can help. I have almost exactly > > the > > > > > same setup as you except for a PIII 800MHz machine and an > AMT8 > > > > > instead of your MT4. I would suspect your AW8 driver settings > > to > > > be > > > > > too optimistic. Try increasing the buffer size and see what > > > > happens. > > > > > My machine never stops with the "CPU or disk too slow > message" > > > with > > > > > four audiotracks. You can have almost as many busy midi tracks > > > > going > > > > > as you want, even with a lot of controller data going on. It > is > > > the > > > > > number audio tracks and the number of and kinds of plugins > that > > > can > > > > > bring your machine to a halt. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Soren Riis-Vestergaard > > > > > Copenhagen > > > > > > > > > > --- In logic-users@y..., jufra@g... wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to this list, so sorry if this has been asked > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have two problems with my LAP 4.5: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am using Pentium 3, 866 Mhz, an Audiowerk8, 256 MB RAM > > and > > > > a > > > > > > 20Gig 7200 rpm IDE Harddisk, Emagic MT4. And I run into > > > > > timing > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > When I play the song,(4 Audiotracks, 8 (busy) > Miditracks), > > > it > > > > > > > > > > sometimes doesn't sync audio and midi. > > > > > > It used to stop saying the Audioengine cannot cope with > the > > > > data > > > > > > and I increased the buffer size for the Audiowerk under > > > the > > > > > > Audiopreferences. Now the problem is still around > sometimes > > > > but > > > > > it > > > > > > doesn't stop saying the audioengine cannot cope. > > > > > > But it still sort of "jumps" a couple of milliseconds. > > > > > > This happens in particular when cycling certain parts of > > the > > > > > song, > > > > > > but also when playing it normally. > > > > > > The interesting thing is that this doesn't happen with > my > > LAP > > > > 3.6 > > > > > > version on the same machine !! So it must be a setting > in > > LAP > > > > 4.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess it must be in the sync or audio preferences > for > > > the > > > > > AW8 > > > > > > but I played around with those (Midi and Audio), it > > doesn't > > > > > really > > > > > > get better. I don't use any VST instruments or whatever, > > > just > > > > > audio > > > > > > being sent to the AW8 and MIDI. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. How can I apply the effects on a track to the audio > file, > > so > > > > > > that the effect is added to the file to free up the > > > processor > > > > > > a bit ? > > > > > > I couldn't work out how this is done. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone come across similar probs ? Your help REALLY > is > > > > > > appreciated ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Frank

I usually just do the bounce to disk in 16bit format using LAP. This week I tried dithering (as someone on the list suggested in an earlier post) but instead of dithering to 16bit on the master fader, I dithered to 18 bit on the master fader during bounce to16 bit. I can't really tell much difference between the 16 bit bounce and the 18bit dithered 16bit bounce, but I'm sure someone with better ears than mine might pick it up. I figured that dithering to 16bit will drop the quality too much strainght away. By dithering to 18bit first then bouncing at 16bit, in theory there would be only subtle degrading before the chop at 20hz and 20000hz. Mind you, I'm only recording in 20bit anyway, so there's not really going to be much difference. Hope this helps somebody. Dags

Jon wrote: > > > > > >--- In logic-users@y..., "Roussel, Laurent" <lroussel@b...> wrote: > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> I'd like to know how I can record changing parameters of a soft > > >synth like model E. > > >> For example, during a sequence, I want to change the cut-off > > >freq and record these changes so that I can play them back. > > >> Is it possible? > > > > > >Yes, but you have to use the *control* view for that. Then all > > >parameters are sent and recieved. > > > > Not true -- see subject-line: this is on a Mac, where you can record > > parameters in editor-view too. > > > > To the original poster: there's probably an instrument called "vst > > autoamtion' or so, in the arrange window's instrument popup. Assign > > that "instrument" to a track, enable the track for recording, hit > > 'record' and move whichever synth-faders you want. That's all there > > is to it. > > You can record automation data on _any_ miditrack, but you need to > > play it back on the right track in order to properly playback the > > data. To achieve automation all vst-instrument audio objects are > > connected to a channel splitter (take a look in the audio mixer -- > > you should see a channel splitter being connected to your audio > > instruments). That's the object you should send automation data to. > > As an alternative you could also put the automation data on the > > instrument's track itself, or make two tracks assigned to the same > > instrument: use one for normal mididata (notes and such) and use the > > second for automation. > > Anyone know how to do this for pc? I've been trying to find the vst > automation instrument and can't... > > cdin > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Mark Lennox wrote: > > >LAW 4.5 > Great! > >Asus Motherboard P3V4X AGP/4X > Good.... may need to upgrade the BIOS - you will need to get a SlotKet > slot1-> FCPGA adapter to allow you to use the new CuMine chips > >256 RAM > Is this rated at 133 Mhz?? it should be Cas2... > >Pentium 11 350 > Get a PIII top of the line, you have 133MHz to play with!! > >AW2 Emagic Soundcard > Replace with an RME Hammerfall and a suitable audio interface (Tango 24 is > VERY nice) > >20 gigs > What make? If its a recent Maxtor then you should be fine. IBM currently > ship the fastest IDE drives. As a guide, my three year old Maxtor can still > pull just over 30 stereo tracks (the machine is working HARD to do this :) > > good luck > > -- > Mark Lennox > Consultant > > ENDUSER > Guinness Enterprise Centre > Taylor's Lane > Dublin 8 > Ireland > -- > web : http://www.enduser.ie > e-mail : mark@... > phone : (+353 1) 4100665 > direct : (+353 1) 4100707 > -- > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Florian Schäfer wrote: > > > Fritze> --- In logic-users@y..., Markus Fritze <mfritze@m...> wrote: > > > >> Is there a USB dongle version for PC also? > > > > > > > Not at the moment. > > > > > > > Markus > > Well I don´t care anymore... > The notebook I want to buy has no serial port, but I don´t want to > hazzle around with a dongle anyway on my notebook, so I´ll work with > a cracked 4.6 instead. I don´t care because I´m a legal user, so who > else should care... > > Flo > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

----- Original Message ----- From: Sascha Franck <saschafranck@...> To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUG] Help me bouncing with LAW > Do you by accident have an audiotrack record enabled? > Did you defenitely set the bounce range correctly? > Can't think of too much other reasons, sorry. A helpfull user says that it was a bug of LAW 3.6, and there was nothing to do. Maybe he's write. Anyway, thank you for your help. > There still seems to be lots of trouble with some machines and USB. > As I don't use any USB MIDI device I don't know... but for some mainboards > (Via Chipset equipped ones for example) there's a dedicated USB driver > somewhere on the boards driver CD. > > Sascha > > What do you think about trying to update my BIOs ? I never did that. Do you now how to do it ? Hubert.

> > > > Do you by accident have an audiotrack record enabled? > > Did you defenitely set the bounce range correctly? > > Can't think of too much other reasons, sorry. > > Nothing to do with the problem. It is a bug in that version of the software > that nomagic has not fixed for years. I thank you all, even it's a bad news. Tomorrow, I'll thank the seller and emagic too. The good news : I think I'll sleep a whole night. Hubert.

same for me two downloads from the SF server crashed upon loading (type 39 error, whatever the )(*&* that is...) however, the version from the hamburg server worked just fine.... when one has probs like this, it is most likely a probelm with the file, NOT the computer system > From: Joe Albano <joea@...> > Reply-To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:44:40 -0500 > To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [LUG] Re: Updating Problems w/ LAMP 4.7 > > From: david first <d1st@...>: > >> Anyone having problems going from 4.6x to 4.7? I've tried two different >> updaters (4.6.1 & 4.6.3) with their corresponding LAMP versions on two >> different computers. I've zapped the pram, rebuilt the desktop, and ran >> all repair programs. What am I missing? I've never had a problem updating >> before... - df > > Hi David! > > The 4.6.3-> 4.7 Updater from "TEMP" server (on the left) wouldn't work for me; > the one from the server on the right did.. > > Cheers, > Joe Albano > ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS > NYC, NY > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >>>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

--- In logic-users@y..., Darren.McKinty@n... wrote: > instead of dithering to 16bit on the master > fader, I dithered to 18 bit on the master fader during bounce > to16 bit. The dither you set in the dither plugin needs to correspond to the final bit-depth you are bouncing to, otherwise you'll be dithering to 18-bit in the plugin, then TRUNCATING that to 16-bit at the bounce, completely removing any dither previously applied in the least significant bit (bit 18). You might as well just bounce to 16-bit with no dither... Don't do it - dither to 16-bit if you're bouncing 16-bit. John Pitcairn

I got error messages too, from both servers. I had to dig up my copy of 4.6.1 and update that one. "...would not update because an error of (xxxxx) occurred" FWIW Ken --- In logic-users@y..., MAFMusic <mafmusic@h...> wrote: > same for me > > two downloads from the SF server crashed upon loading (type 39 error, > whatever the )(*&* that is...) > > however, the version from the hamburg server worked just fine.... > > when one has probs like this, it is most likely a probelm with the file, NOT > the computer system > > > From: Joe Albano <joea@n...> > > Reply-To: logic-users@y... > > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:44:40 -0500 > > To: logic-users@y... > > Subject: [LUG] Re: Updating Problems w/ LAMP 4.7 > > > > From: david first <d1st@e...>: > > > >> Anyone having problems going from 4.6x to 4.7? I've tried two different > >> updaters (4.6.1 & 4.6.3) with their corresponding LAMP versions on two > >> different computers. I've zapped the pram, rebuilt the desktop, and ran > >> all repair programs. What am I missing? I've never had a problem updating > >> before... - df > > > > Hi David! > > > > The 4.6.3-> 4.7 Updater from "TEMP" server (on the left) wouldn't work for me; > > the one from the server on the right did.. > > > > Cheers, > > Joe Albano > > ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS > > NYC, NY > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >>>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] <<<<< > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

NO:) > The emagic Logic update page only has 4.7 for Platinum. Does this mean the > other versions are just around the corner. -- -- Made with Logic; www.mp3.com/BasharAR

Regarding when the Windows version of LAWP 4.7 will be out: > Tomorrow. The version left the development at the same time with the Mac > version, but the Windows guys in the testlab need some more hours. > > > MMM > -- > Markus Fritze > Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>; > Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS Tomorrow is my birthday!!! This is a nice present!!!! Thanks!:) Gratefully. . . Ted Fiebke efiebke@... http://www.toolivenurse.com

I'm trying to avoid looping audio so I record the MIDI straight across the time line but after about 2 mintes of recording, my loop starts to change? This makes no sense, it's supposed to be looping the SAME thing over and over? It's a line in a drum pattern (kick) and what happens is that the space between the two kicks almost disappears (and they sound like they trip over each other) and the level jumps to +6 (I leave them at 0) in the audio mixer. -Aardvark 24, buffer 8192, -4 delay in, monitoring off -16 bit, 44.1, ASIO driver (finally)

Probably a 'dumb' question, but how can you quickley know/find out what sample rate the wave file is in the first place. is is just in the properties section of the file ? --- In logic-users@y..., johnp@r... wrote: > --- In logic-users@y..., Darren.McKinty@n... wrote: > > instead of dithering to 16bit on the master > > fader, I dithered to 18 bit on the master fader during bounce > > to16 bit. > > The dither you set in the dither plugin needs to correspond to the > final bit-depth you are bouncing to, otherwise you'll be dithering > to 18-bit in the plugin, then TRUNCATING that to 16-bit at the > bounce, completely removing any dither previously applied in the > least significant bit (bit 18). You might as well just bounce to > 16-bit with no dither... > > Don't do it - dither to 16-bit if you're bouncing 16-bit. > > John Pitcairn

Hey Joe - Well, it was pretty weird - I kept on getting these error messages til I went through my archives, grabbed an old 4.6.1, updated _that_ to 4.6.3 then updated _that_ to 4.7. Glad I always keep a copy of *everything*... Guess now that 4.7's finally out it's time for a NYLUG meeting - think it's gonna be at my place this time - let's talk off list. df Joe Albano wrote: > > From: david first <d1st@...>: > > > Anyone having problems going from 4.6x to 4.7? I've tried two different > > updaters (4.6.1 & 4.6.3) with their corresponding LAMP versions on two > > different computers. I've zapped the pram, rebuilt the desktop, and ran > > all repair programs. What am I missing? I've never had a problem updating > > before... - df > > Hi David! > > The 4.6.3-> 4.7 Updater from "TEMP" server (on the left) wouldn't work for me; > the one from the server on the right did.. > > Cheers, > Joe Albano > ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS > NYC, NY > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: [LAM]/[LAW]/[GEN]/[OT] <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--- In logic-users@y..., "Mystic and Miranda" <latoya.walsh@s...> wrote: > I'm trying to avoid looping audio so I record the MIDI straight across the time line but after about 2 mintes of recording, my loop starts to change? This makes no sense, it's supposed to be looping the SAME thing over and over? > > It's a line in a drum pattern (kick) and what happens is that the space between the two kicks almost disappears (and they sound like they trip over each other) and the level jumps to +6 (I leave them at 0) in the audio mixer. > > -Aardvark 24, buffer 8192, -4 delay in, monitoring off > -16 bit, 44.1, ASIO driver (finally) Have you checked the event list in the audio track in case there is foreign data at approx 2 minutes? Thats my only initial , simple guess.

>This happened to me yesterday using LAMP 4.63, a guitar track too, >various WAVES plugs. It seem to fix it when I put an Emagic plug after >the other Waves plugs. I suspect there is some sort of buffering problem. >Also the signal was fairly hot. I didn't have any plug ins on audio track (though Goldreverb on one of the three VSTi tracks yes). Cheers -- Check out the web page for my band: Now solo works also: http://www.pp.htv.fi/jpennane

>Anyone having problems going from 4.6x to 4.7? I've tried two different >updaters (4.6.1 & 4.6.3) with their >corresponding LAMP versions on two different computers. >I've zapped the pram, rebuilt the desktop, and ran all repair programs. What am >I missing? I've never had a >problem updating before... I've had similar trouble updating lamp previously. That was due to the MBDF A/B virus. No problem since. @nders