// >What seems to be happening is that in, for example, a three >minute arrangement when I've got a hi-hat line or whatever playing >steadily throughout, three or four of these hi-hat notes will not be >played back. The rest will be fine. If I try the line again, it'll be >something similar, though not in the same place. hey! it is my "logic&audioinstuments-bad-timing-or-simply-missing-notes-but-i-am- all-alone -thing" now also running on the PC version. i am sorry for you, but i am actually happy to hear that there is the same "problem" ("its more than a problem") on the pc. now even more than ever: ... what is this? cheers fz. //

Thank you Markus and Kenny Jenkins for your advice! Bob Markus Fritze wrote: > >> Well? > > Yes. > > > MMM > -- > Markus Fritze > Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH -- "The US policy in the first month of President George Bush is suggestive at once of a lack of coherence and hegemonic arrogance. Only time will tell whether this is disorientation caused by the GOP's eight years out of office or this is the US as the new cowboy on the rampage. The Bush administration has possibly set a record for alienating so many nations in such a short period. " The Times of India, Feb. 24, 2001

Hey all, As a follow-up to a recent question I now have a second one. I would like to purchase a PCI card that offers a combination of USB and Firewire ports. Kenny Jenkins warned me against the Orange Micro card and I must say this is not the first time I have read of such problems with this card. There also exists the Sonnet Tango card. Anybody know of any compatibility issues with it? Thanks again for your time, Bob -- "The US policy in the first month of President George Bush is suggestive at once of a lack of coherence and hegemonic arrogance. Only time will tell whether this is disorientation caused by the GOP's eight years out of office or this is the US as the new cowboy on the rampage. The Bush administration has possibly set a record for alienating so many nations in such a short period. " The Times of India, Feb. 24, 2001

Hi, wondering if anyone can help with this short question: I have a very large audio file that plays pretty much through the duration of my song (which is ~250 bars long). I have an event Gina (not gina24) card, set with EASI->MME adapter (PC AV). I've tried with ASIO but still get the same results. If I play the song from the beginning, and then use the fastforward button on the transport window, should I expect around a 2-3 second delay for the audio to catch up with the MIDI? for example, I press the fastforward button, and I hear immediately the MIDI data that is at that forwarded position, but the audio cuts out for 2-3 seconds and then catches up. Is this due to the latency on the drivers (which I have modified heavily, and I don't know too much about) or the actual card itself, or the fact that the audio file is so big that it has to seek? Sonic Foundry ACID Pro has a feature that instantly (no delay) updates the playback of the track no matter where you are in an audio file, why not Logic? As a side question, wondering if there was a way to draw envelopes directly on an object like ACID pro or Pro Tools. Hyper editor sorta does it, but only for MIDI. Shouldn't we have this for audio? And shouldn't hyper edited (or directly drawn) envelopes show up on the objects in the Arrange window? Maybe this feature is coming in 4.7. I hope so... Thanks, -Matt

original message ----------------------------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:23:01 EST From: GAmoore@... Subject: GEN - careful question >Can an EMagic dongle plug into a USB PCI card? > >> Yes. >> >> Markus Fritze Of course it will plug in - thats just a square peg in a square hole - the question probably should have been "Will it work? Will it authorize LAW?". You have to remember that Markus with his superhuman intelligence is like a computer, and he answers literally whatever you ask him, so pose your questions carefully. -------------------------------------- end original Actually the original question was about LAM, so Marcus was literally correct.... ;-)

Feb 28th, 2:35pm I have non powered Alesis M2's & they sound quite good & are very "true" in my studio! Did you know that there is now a powered version of the AlessM1's? Also I really liked the Soundcraft Absolute Zero monitors that I heard at a friends studio recently. Nice imaging & quite punchy. regards, David Norris-Elye / Towne Music Subject: Re:[LUG]GEN / OT: Studio monitors-Mackie hr824?? as I am considering buying the Mackie HR-824s, I might as well join in here. Does anyone use them, and what do you guys think? Our control room is quite small, but I'd like some more punch than what our Alesis Monitor 1s can deliver. Any comments aprpreciated.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Mantani [mailto:Smantani@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:55 PM To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: [LUG] Law: audio track serious problem I have just started with logic and I can't figure out what is wrong with my audio. First of all I am using the sound blaster live platinum sound card. I have my mini disc plugged into the audio input. I can here the mini disc using the sound blaster recorder so I know that I just have one of the settings messed up. So I recorded a wav and imported it into logic. That wont even play so I figure my inputs and outs are messed up can someone please help me. Anything is appreciated. Thank You, Steven Mantani Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Our friend Phil sat down and wrote : >I think Logic should adopt this approach as well. Maybe a >statement like 'yes, we are expecting to incorporate that fix in a >future release' would be better, and then just surprise everyone >either an event such as the messy music or on the Web Site. Exactly! Why can't Emagic pay someone to simply read this list, and have an automatic response "We've noted your bug report, and we'll look into it. Hopefully we'll fix in an upcoming release". Then when they release a new version, they list the bugs fixed. Futhermore, they could take note of our wishes. Not that they have to do anything about them, but if they could simply acknowledge that they heard us, and possibly considering things, it would make it seem like they care a tiny bit. Thats what is really missing... any meaningful communication. I feel like we're talking to the CIA. Every thing is a big secret and the response to every thing but minor questions is implicitly "no comment". I'm surprised they even use their real names. Maybe "Markus" is a code name for agent 004.7 with a license to compile. Come on, just talk to us like human beings. We may complain, but we provide some valuable feedback for what is wrong, and a wealth of creative ideas for improvements. We ARE all on the same team! >I also think Emagic should have a page on their site which lists all >the expected bug fixes being reviewed for future releases and leave ... They may not want to do that because potential users would see it and think LAM/W is a piece of bug-ridden crapware. We need to keep this aspect a secret... I mean the few minor bugs, because overall its a great product. We all have an interest in Emagic's success. My first sequencer was "Personal Composer" running on DOS in 1986. Version 2 took forever to come out, and shortly thereafter the company folded. Its in our interest for Emagic to be profitable. Thats one of the reasons, they should clean up the rough spots (i.e. environment, etc) and make it more user-friendly - not for the good of the super-experts like Mr. Sasso, or F-Erenc, but for the common person - especially the new person, and the music store sales people, and magazine reviewers.

>Have you ever heard drum MIDI tracks played with a piano >patch. Unfortunately, yes! Sometimes its the right patch but the wrong bank. F-erenc wrote : >GAmoore@... writes: >>If I change the bank and patch on any of my synths, >>I see the patch change in Logic, but not the bank. >>There seem to be some other problems with bank >>changes not taking affect. > >Oh! I haven't ever selected a patch this way. I select... Its a lot easier to hit 8-6-7 on my synth, than go to logic, and get the mouse on the patch parameter and scroll way down, and overshoot 67 and then go back up to zero in on 67, then go to the bank parameter and get 8. And then I want to try 904,..... etc

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Matthew Samet wrote: > Hi, wondering if anyone can help with this short question: > > I have a very large audio file that plays pretty much through the duration > of my song (which is ~250 bars long). > I have an event Gina (not gina24) card, set with EASI->MME adapter (PC AV). > I've tried with ASIO but still get the same results. > > If I play the song from the beginning, and then use the fastforward button > on the transport window, should I expect > around a 2-3 second delay for the audio to catch up with the MIDI? Well I don't know if it /should/ work that way, but my system does the same thing (of course, if I _stop_ the playback, and transport 15 minutes forward, and then resume play, it's instantaneous.) > Sonic Foundry ACID Pro has a feature that instantly (no delay) updates the > playback of the track no matter where you are in an audio file, why not > Logic? ACID works with a bunch of small loops, which are less taxing on the system. I would think there to be some delay if you had 8 or so simultaneous 16bit 44.1k continuous audio tracks streaming off a hard drive and then decided to scrub forward a few minutes. But maybe not :) > As a side question, wondering if there was a way to draw envelopes directly > on an object like ACID pro or Pro Tools. Hyper editor sorta does it, but > only for MIDI. Shouldn't we have this for audio? And shouldn't hyper edited > (or directly drawn) envelopes show up on the objects in the Arrange window? Hyperdraw envelopes are visible in the arrange window underneath the sequences (if you drag the tracks wide enough to see them). And since these can be set up to send any kind of midi controller data, you can hyperdraw all kinds of stuff for audio tracks onto the channels you're using for automation (like pan, volume, and plugin settings). Is that what you meant? -Denizen

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Joris [mailto:Jounet@...] Skickat: den 28 februari 2001 19:52 Till: logic-users@yahoogroups.com Ämne: Re: [LUG] LAW/ SW1K driver confusion Hi John, That is exactly what I did. It doesn't work like that. Always the same : SW-MIDI-port works fine, check asio for it and it doesn't. Uncheck it again and the port works back fine again. Joris > Hi Joris. > If you use the SW ASIO drivers you dont need to set anything in the EASI MME > setup. > The PC AV menu should be unchecked. > You need to go to audiodriver menu 2 and check ASIO, then choose the > drivers. either SW+DS16 or 32. > > Mikael Adle Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I have had a pair for a couple of years and am very happy with them. They replaced a pair of JBL 4208s, and I find them far better. Good bass extension (but not overly hyped), and they have a number of setup options (in terms of DIP switch settings depending upon whether you've got them close to a wall, etc.) that let you tailor their response. They seem to translate well to other speakers as well. I've tried the mid-level Genelecs, but found that they sounded too flattering--they weren't (IMO) giving a true picture of what was going on, whereas the Mackies did. YMMV, especially for something as subjective as monitors. Irwin __________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:59:08 +0100 From: Recky Reck <reckie@...> Subject: Re:[LUG]GEN / OT: Studio monitors-Mackie hr824?? Hi, as I am considering buying the Mackie HR-824s, I might as well join in here. Does anyone use them, and what do you guys think? Our control room is quite small, but I'd like some more punch than what our Alesis Monitor 1s can deliver. Any comments aprpreciated. Cheers, Recky

Hi Chris, > I am considering the AMD Thunderbird 800, and ASUS A7V. Comments? Athlon/ Duron systems on a Via KT133 or KX133 chipset should work well, support most audio HW perfectly bar a few fairly obsolete models. However those Asus motherboards are *rather* expensive. I'm building a P3 850 on ABit BX motherboard which should be cheaper than your system *and* pretty much a compatability reference. > I need to support LAW Gold 4.5, Win98, DS2416 and SW1000XG. The DS 2416 is not really in favour, the drivers and control of this card are not ideal. Have you purchased it already? Cheers, Thomas

OK, then, will an EMagic dongle authorize Logic Audio Platinum for the Macintosh when said software product is successfully installed on an internal drive of an Apple Power PC model 9600/300 running system 9.0.4 or above, and the dongle is attached to a USB PCI card, when said product is used on or after February 28 2001 Anno Domini? Bob >> Can an EMagic dongle plug into a USB PCI card? >> >>> Yes. >>> >>> Markus Fritze > > Of course it will plug in - thats just a square peg in a square hole - > the question probably should have been "Will it work? Will it authorize > LAW?". You have to remember that Markus with his superhuman intelligence > is like a computer, and he answers literally whatever you ask him, so > pose your questions carefully. > > ;-) -- On the East Coast, Gore's concession speech preempted "The West Wing." Bush's victory speech preempted "Law and Order."

1.check if you really recorded something with the wave player in windows 2.In the enviroment open the audio mixer, select an audioobject by clicking on the letters down under the object. Then check in the parameter box if you have selected the soundblster as device. 3. There should be somekind of mixer with the blaster, maybe its in a program called audio hq or something like that and check the routing. Maybe there is a through switch, that you even might here your music but do not record. Hope this helps Michael --- In logic-users@y..., "Steve Mantani" <Smantani@a...> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mantani [mailto:Smantani@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:55 PM > To: logic-users@y... > Subject: [LUG] Law: audio track serious problem > > > I have just started with logic and I can't figure out what is wrong with my > audio. First of all I am using the sound blaster live platinum sound card. > I have my mini disc plugged into the audio input. I can here the mini disc > using the sound blaster recorder so I know that I just have one of the > settings messed up. So I recorded a wav and imported it into logic. That > wont even play so I figure my inputs and outs are messed up can someone > please help me. Anything is appreciated. > Thank You, > Steven Mantani > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >>>>> Subject lines MUST contain: LAM/LAW/GEN/OT <<<<< > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi Joris, > My problem in LAWP : > If I check the ASIO for my SW1000XG card the midi-port wont work > anymore. > If I uncheck it, without a LA restart, the midi-port works fine > again. > I wont to have use of both, if possible. Very strange. One explanation could be that the audio & MIDI data stream into the card together, and the ASIO driver doing audio also takes MIDI away from the MME drivers. This would be unusual, and someone else (John?) seems to have it ASIO & normal MIDI working, so suggests it's not the case... Is the MIDI port an external MIDI I/O or just the MIDI synth of the SW 1000 XG? > In my setup I have a second card a little yamaha OPL. > This could be the problem-maker like other SW-users told me. > I remove hard- and software of the OPL, no better result. OK, the OPL almost certainly is not a factor. So you probably don't have to remove it or disable it. Does the MIDI work OK when SW-1000 audio is by MME? Get back to me with more info & I'll think about it again. The key is the interaction between audio drivers and MIDI... Cheers, Thomas

Secret Agent Moore (GA Moore) wrote: >Exactly! Why can't Emagic pay someone to simply read this list, and have >an automatic response and he also wrote ... >Futhermore, they could take note of our wishes. Not that they have to do >anything about them, but if they could simply acknowledge that they heard >us, and possibly considering things, it would make it seem like they care >a tiny bit. > >Thats what is really missing... any meaningful communication. I feel like >we're talking to the CIA. etc etc This kind of complaint about Emagic comes up time and time again. I once studied economics / the organizational structure of businesses, and Emagic is going through a very common phase. A short thread came up a while ago about Emagic's advertising, and Markus Fritze made the interesting observation that at one time Emagic people did this themselves when they could, but that now they have hired a full-time person. Companies that grow always go through a stage of trying to retain control over everything which means resisting handing over to outside controllers etc. In cases like this the company's original founders are used to doing everything themselves and so find it hard to bring other people in to do things ... sometimes because it doesn't occur to them that this is ncessary, and sometimes because they find it hard to trust anyone else to do it as well as they could, or with the same kind of motivation or dedication. If Emagic keeps on growing -- and is to keep on growing -- then it is really going to have to get over this. But it may take a while yet to occur. However, the organizational restructurings necessary also very much have a downside. This is that the 'downhomey' feel of Emagic that many of us quite like, and are used to, is also going to have to go. This 'downhomey' feel, which I must confess is one of the things I like, is the very thing they are being criticized for here. OK -- so they got it wrong about the release date for 4.7; as for most other release dates. Personally, I much prefer the fact that they have even bothered to tell us that a 4.7 release is even imminent to the alternative -- which is some kind of 'official press release' from the publicity department that a 4.7 update is actually here. I prefer it because I find companies that are so big that the press department is all we ever see of them to be somehow kind of soulless -- and also a lot less inclined to respond to user wishes. Such companies tend to do things just for the money, and not for reasons that are often frankly aesthetic or 'gut feeling' even if I, personally, may not like the specific aesthetics or direction involved in that gut feeling. One day we may all be looking back with fondness and nostalgia to those good old days when Emagic used to tell us that things were in the works and were due very shortly, and how nice and exciting it was to have at least some idea what was happening instead of the situation where we got not information at all. Hang on to your 'mysteriousness' and 'quirkiness' for as long as you can, Emagic. That's what I say. I prefer it to the alternative, frankly. Even if it is a tad irritating sometimes. Kool Musick Keep Musick Kool _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In logic-users@y..., "Dimitris Kourkoulakos" <dimitrisdespina@h...> wrote: > > > > It seems its a problem with the ASPI drivers installed in your system. > 1. > This is a utility that checks for correct installation of ASPI drivers. > www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.html? filekey=aspichk.exe > > This one updates the ASPI layer in your system. > www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.html? filekey=aspi32.exe > 2. > If you install Easy CD Creator or other software from Adaptec fixes the > problem because the ASPI layer is updated automatically. > > Dimitris > > > > > >In the EXS-24, everytime I go to Akai convert, Logic hangs, and I > >have to reboot, anybody else experiencing anything like this? > > Thanks for your reply, I have win ME, and the site that yu posted said it wouldn't work with ME. As well, I have copied the akai cd to disk, and the crash doesn't seem to have anything to do with the CDRom, the moment I select it, it hangs. I really do appreciate your help and responses, everyone. Andy

Hi GAMoore, ppjxyzsomethingorother, > Are you saying that Emagic's own plugs have the delay compensation > built in, No, they don't have delay compensation for the simple reason that they don't have any delay - unless you use lookahead in the dynamics. > but ALL third party plugs do not??? Most third party plugins don't have delay for the simple reason that most audio algorithms don't generate any simple delay. > I know AUTOTUNE has some delay factor of unknown duration. What > about WAVES... especially the intensive stuff like the Ren Rev? AutoTune has a latency; it takes some number of waveform cycles to determine pitch, yet pitch adjustments must be applied back where the pitch started. Eg, it needs & uses a buffer. Reverb algorithms don't generate latency. Neither does EQ, filtering or phaser. Chorus and flanger algorithms don't inherently generate latency. They are a delay varying by LFO. But for some musical results you might want the delay going negative relative to the dry signal... implying either a static delay on the dry signal, or a negative delay on the input for wet signal. The LFO then ranges from 0 to + but wet-dry timing ranges from - to +. Not sure if any chorus/ flanger algorithms include such delays. The other thing is, that all EQ, filtering, chorus, reverb effects etc are built on time-based processing. Output of the current sample depends primarily on the current input sample, but also mixes in delayed earlier samples. So while the primary dry signal energy remains at the same time, energy of effected signal tends to shift slightly. This depends on algorithm & frequency, which is why an EQ or filter works. So in this way the overall energy of the effected signal can be considered to be somewhat later. This however, is substantially perceptual and varies depending on effect settings and material being processed. Cheers, Thomas

Hi John in New Zealand, [WISH: Multi-Audio object for environment] > Nice idea, potentially very elegant. So the current single Audio > Object would be a multi-audio with just one channel enabled, or > a different "single" Audio Object? (so in either case you could > still set it up "old-style" if you wanted to for some reason) Thanks... good point on backwards compatability, probably keeping the old-style 'single' Audio Object would be best; rather than disrupt existing songs. [Replace the A-Playback channel splitter & remove the need for automation cabling :] > I'd want to be able to cable between there and the environment > sometimes, to communicate with a fader pack and to be able to > record automation on a shared separate track if desired Definitely. I envisaged still being able to cable to the individual audio channels, similar to how you cable to channels of a Multi-Inst, using Ctrl-cabling to get an object list. > I wish the environment could somehow retain an idea of "ports", so > you could distinguish between an event on port 1 channel 1, and an > event on port 2 channel 1, in transformers & general routing etc. Hmm, methinks this stems from trying to build 48 channel processing setups :-) My closest thoughts to this area, were that Physical Input should have outs for individual devices; but also a Remainder output. This would allow specific devices (eg fader banks) to be taken off for special procesing, and leave all your master keyboards etc to go for MIDI recording & normal usage. Cheers, Thomas

Hi f-erenc, [There is no algorithmic reason for most audio algorithms to delay the signal :] > Is this a trick statement? Does it jump thru loops? > In other words, you say there's no *algorithmic* reason for > latency, but that there are certainly *other* reasons for latency? Without having measured, I don't think native plugins generate latency unless the algorithm requires a delay. TDM plugins definitely generate small sample latencies. Cheers, Thomas

on 28/2/01 2:14 PM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com at logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > The only thing that is important about monitors is that YOU know how to mix > on them to get the desired sound. > Sure, good monitors make it easier to mix, but it's more important to really > know the monitors. > > Ray Yeah, the one on the left is George, the one on the right is Gracie... Just kiddin, Colin. -- Colin Owen - "Only for God's Glory" http://www.jesusreigns.co.uk http://www.praiseandworshipsongs.com To join my smile list click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileme For info click here: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileinfo To send in a smile click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smilein

on 28/2/01 4:43 PM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com at logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > What the heck is going on? Why are the programs changing all the time > on me? > > Thanks in advance boys and gurls. > > Cory Dean I'm having similar trouble, but mine seems limited to the first track (midi 1) of my Proteus 2000 (a input). Looking forward to some inspirational tips on this one.. Colin. -- Colin Owen - "Only for God's Glory" http://www.jesusreigns.co.uk http://www.praiseandworshipsongs.com To join my smile list click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileme For info click here: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileinfo To send in a smile click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smilein

on 28/2/01 4:43 PM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com at logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > One word: GENLEC A better word: Quested -- Colin Owen - "Only for God's Glory" http://www.jesusreigns.co.uk http://www.praiseandworshipsongs.com To join my smile list click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileme For info click here: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileinfo To send in a smile click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smilein

on 28/2/01 7:27 PM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com at logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > as I am considering buying the Mackie HR-824s, I might as well join in > here. Does anyone use them, and what do you guys think? Our control room > is quite small, but I'd like some more punch than what our Alesis > Monitor 1s can deliver. Any comments aprpreciated. > > Cheers, > > Recky Go ahead an buy them. I've heard them in a friends studio, and they are excellent. Regards, colin. -- Colin Owen - "Only for God's Glory" http://www.jesusreigns.co.uk http://www.praiseandworshipsongs.com To join my smile list click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileme For info click here: mailto:smile@...?subject=smileinfo To send in a smile click: mailto:smile@...?subject=smilein